can you dig without a shovel?

[Decepticron]

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[Rowdy Ronny]

Sure, hands, stick, stone axe,... a shovel is optimal for dirt but you are not limited.

[Eleazaros]

best tool is the shovel for digging dirt, sand or gravel.

You can use other tools - using your hands takes forever but even that is possible.

Next best is pickaxe or stone axe - from there it tends to go downhill pretty fast (unless you count using explosives).

[Vermilicious]

Auger 8)

[FunFettiYeti]

i usually dig with tnt, its cheap and effective

[Eleazaros]

Originally posted by Vermilicious:

Auger 8)

The last *MONTH* of ingame play - I haven't found one. Not one.

Now I suppose I could turn on cheat mode and use that to get one but that's not how I play. I will use that when the game steals from me (like the 246 sharpened stones I did up disappearing from the storage chest I'd put them in ...) but not to just grab stuff I haven't found or made.

Oh and when you are popping around 400 zombies a week while running around a place like Diersville looking... That's not just sitting time - I actually hit issues getting enough ammo (crossbow bolts) for ranged shots and go through melee weapons at a decent cliip at times too.

I suppose with a very high loot setting they may become more common as well... It's a luck gig to find them and they can be extremely rare on some maps.

The rest of the stuff mentioned is not rare - you can get the materials and make them even with very lean loot settings turned on.

[Jᴧgᴧ]

Loot however is getting balanced, adjusted, categorized into drop-groups, and placed only where you'd actually find it in real life. Sniper rifles for example - only found in military crates now.

Unfortunate about your auger luck, but I do expect it is just that - luck. There was a lot of tweaking in 8.2 Ele, might want to start a totally fresh game and see how it goes. :)

[Yarn W. Cotton]

depends on your luck, i am on a map right now with everything normal, and its day 42 and even though i have looted many towns and airconditioners i have yet to find a new metal pipe for a forge. it sucks how i cant seem to dfind a very useful item and have to relly on stone age weapons, but ♥♥♥♥ happens and like you i dont cheat also

Originally posted by Eleazaros:

Originally posted by Vermilicious:

Auger 8)

The last *MONTH* of ingame play - I haven't found one. Not one.

Now I suppose I could turn on cheat mode and use that to get one but that's not how I play. I will use that when the game steals from me (like the 246 sharpened stones I did up disappearing from the storage chest I'd put them in ...) but not to just grab stuff I haven't found or made.

Oh and when you are popping around 400 zombies a week while running around a place like Diersville looking... That's not just sitting time - I actually hit issues getting enough ammo (crossbow bolts) for ranged shots and go through melee weapons at a decent cliip at times too.

I suppose with a very high loot setting they may become more common as well... It's a luck gig to find them and they can be extremely rare on some maps.

The rest of the stuff mentioned is not rare - you can get the materials and make them even with very lean loot settings turned on.

[Eleazaros]

Originally posted by Thornwood:

depends on your luck, i am on a map right now with everything normal, and its day 42 and even though i have looted many towns and airconditioners i have yet to find a new metal pipe for a forge. it sucks how i cant seem to dfind a very useful item and have to relly on stone age weapons, but ♥♥♥♥ happens and like you i dont cheat also

Originally posted by Eleazaros:

The last *MONTH* of ingame play - I haven't found one. Not one.

Now I suppose I could turn on cheat mode and use that to get one but that's not how I play. I will use that when the game steals from me (like the 246 sharpened stones I did up disappearing from the storage chest I'd put them in ...) but not to just grab stuff I haven't found or made.

Oh and when you are popping around 400 zombies a week while running around a place like Diersville looking... That's not just sitting time - I actually hit issues getting enough ammo (crossbow bolts) for ranged shots and go through melee weapons at a decent cliip at times too.

I suppose with a very high loot setting they may become more common as well... It's a luck gig to find them and they can be extremely rare on some maps.

The rest of the stuff mentioned is not rare - you can get the materials and make them even with very lean loot settings turned on.

Yeah, that low loot option can mess with you.

Any zombie can drop the pipes too, so check them. It's uncommon but they can drop them. (this was added it to the zombie's loot table back when they put it into the recipe - for the old "horde survival" mode. You couldn't make a forge without one so you were SOL with respect to any "forge required" work back then.)

[Yarn W. Cotton]

Originally posted by Eleazaros:

Originally posted by Thornwood:

depends on your luck, i am on a map right now with everything normal, and its day 42 and even though i have looted many towns and airconditioners i have yet to find a new metal pipe for a forge. it sucks how i cant seem to dfind a very useful item and have to relly on stone age weapons, but ♥♥♥♥ happens and like you i dont cheat also

Yeah, that low loot option can mess with you.

Any zombie can drop the pipes too, so check them. It's uncommon but they can drop them. (this was added it to the zombie's loot table back when they put it into the recipe - for the old "horde survival" mode. You couldn't make a forge without one so you were SOL with respect to any "forge required" work back then.)

idk maybe with the new update i will easily find a metal pipe, since i ahd to delete my old one due to framming issues, and visuale glitches, im sure i will find one, just dont know when.......