100% Stealth?

[Tin]

Apologies for my English.

It is possible?

I started with a Strenght build. But there is a point in the game where you are near invencible.

So I decided to not use the SledgeHammer and get focused in other possible build. Like Agility, crossbows, stealth, etc...

I got maxed out, perception, strength, agility and intelect. And in Agility i got maxed out Hidden Strike and From the Shadows, as well as the books that helps me with the stealths attacks.

I don't know If I miss something. But even though knowing where every zombie is in a POI, it is impossible for me to go with a 100% stealth mode.

I've tried a Tier V mission, the shotgun messiah. It took me days inside the POI, and eventhough I tried going through alternative ways to encounter zombies and don't wake them up, it was impossible.

When I was able to find the space to kill one zed, the other in the other room or behind me (I mean a distance wich other zed doesn't wake up) wakes up because of the noise from the shoot with the crossbow.

Or maybe I open a door and they don't hear me, but sometimes I don't know why I open a door and everyone in the room wakes up.

I always destroy previously every single trash in the floor, I mean the one that makes noise. I go crouched 100% of the times. I turn off the lantern eventhough they are sleeping!

Yes I can kill most of them with one Steel Crossbow Arrow to the head. I got a 6.0X bonus damage.

Sometimes with some of them it's impossible to do it from one shot, but it doesn't matter because the meter that indicates my stealth level is always on 2 and when the wake up from the shot, they can't see me. They even run towards me and stop in front off my face and they didn't see me. But then, they continue walking and i can end killong them. This is not a problem.

the problem is that I noticed that i can't go 100% stealth.

There is something that I'm missing?

If anybody can put all the properly skills points that I have to had maxed out for doing this I would appreciate that.

[SylenThunder]

For starters, it's not stealth. It's sneaking. "Stealth" is a misnomer and should be removed from all games where it's not actually stealth. This being one of them. You can't be completely invisible.

Also note that some sleeper volumes have a trigger to wake them, so it really doesn't matter how sneaky you are.

[Jim Lahey]

Originally posted by SylenThunder:

For starters, it's not stealth. It's sneaking. "Stealth" is a misnomer and should be removed from all games where it's not actually stealth. This being one of them. You can't be completely invisible.

Also note that some sleeper volumes have a trigger to wake them, so it really doesn't matter how sneaky you are.

When I run into poi's that spawn enemies like that. I take the most rational course of action. I collapse the entire building and bury the remains under concrete.

[Tin]

Originally posted by SylenThunder:

For starters, it's not stealth. It's sneaking. "Stealth" is a misnomer and should be removed from all games where it's not actually stealth. This being one of them. You can't be completely invisible.

Also note that some sleeper volumes have a trigger to wake them, so it really doesn't matter how sneaky you are.

Opppsss!

Sorry then. I stated that my english it's not so good. I got confused with the terms sneak and stealth.

I know they are not the same but I thought that if you are able to sneak, you have to stealth.

Well, it doesn't matter. I was trying to find a way to play the game without a gun or the sledgehammer or clubs...

I will have to try another way.

Thank you for your answer!

[Jim Lahey]

Originally posted by Tin:

Originally posted by SylenThunder:

For starters, it's not stealth. It's sneaking. "Stealth" is a misnomer and should be removed from all games where it's not actually stealth. This being one of them. You can't be completely invisible.

Also note that some sleeper volumes have a trigger to wake them, so it really doesn't matter how sneaky you are.

Opppsss!

Sorry then. I stated that my english it's not so good. I got confused with the terms sneak and stealth.

I know they are not the same but I thought that if you are able to sneak, you have to stealth.

Well, it doesn't matter. I was trying to find a way to play the game without a gun or the sledgehammer or clubs...

I will have to try another way.

Thank you for your answer!

A "Brawler" build is a fun way to play the game.

There's something satisfying about punching a zombie in the face and watching them drop like a sack of potatoes.

[Tin]

Originally posted by SylenThunder:

Also note that some sleeper volumes have a trigger to wake them, so it really doesn't matter how sneaky you are.

What do you mean with a trigger that it's not refering to a noise, talking about a sleeper?

[Dester]

Originally posted by Jim Lahey:

Originally posted by SylenThunder:

For starters, it's not stealth. It's sneaking. "Stealth" is a misnomer and should be removed from all games where it's not actually stealth. This being one of them. You can't be completely invisible.

Also note that some sleeper volumes have a trigger to wake them, so it really doesn't matter how sneaky you are.

When I run into poi's that spawn enemies like that. I take the most rational course of action. I collapse the entire building and bury the remains under concrete.

I find it easier just waking up as many as possible and killing them. Is there a reason why you would avoid killing zombies?

[Tin]

Originally posted by Jim Lahey:

Originally posted by Tin:

Opppsss!

Sorry then. I stated that my english it's not so good. I got confused with the terms sneak and stealth.

I know they are not the same but I thought that if you are able to sneak, you have to stealth.

Well, it doesn't matter. I was trying to find a way to play the game without a gun or the sledgehammer or clubs...

I will have to try another way.

Thank you for your answer!

A "Brawler" build is a fun way to play the game.

There's something satisfying about punching a zombie in the face and watching them drop like a sack of potatoes.

I don't like that way. It's the same as clubs or sledgehammers. To be honest I've never tried it but at the end I suppose it's the same because with two or 3 hits, they are down (maybe less).

I play in nightmare mode with nightmare settings on the zeds. But once you are in day 70 or so, there is no more challenge.

[Tin]

Originally posted by Dester:

Originally posted by Jim Lahey:

When I run into poi's that spawn enemies like that. I take the most rational course of action. I collapse the entire building and bury the remains under concrete.

I find it easier just waking up as many as possible and killing them. Is there a reason why you would avoid killing zombies?

No, i'm not avoiding them. Wow, i didn't know that I explained that so bad. Apologies again for my English.

I dont want to avoid them. I want to killm them all but while sneaking without them noticing me.

I want something more challenging.

I always used the technique you have said. But it's not funny to me at this moment. I was trying to play the game in other way.

Hope I could explain correctly what I want to say.

[Tin]

Sorry Dester I quoted you, but you where not reffering to me. Apologies.

[Jim Lahey]

Originally posted by Dester:

Originally posted by Jim Lahey:

When I run into poi's that spawn enemies like that. I take the most rational course of action. I collapse the entire building and bury the remains under concrete.

I find it easier just waking up as many as possible and killing them. Is there a reason why you would avoid killing zombies?

I assume the action of collapsing a building would kill the zombies inside anyways.

[JimmyIowa]

Originally posted by Tin:

100% Stealth?

It is possible?

Being undetected 100% of the time is different than having perfect skills and quiet armor and mods. For example, there are little piles of trash on the floor in most poi's. If you step on one it makes noise and wakes up things nearby.

Most actions a player can take make a little noise. Loading and drawing a bow makes noise. If you close to a sleeper when you do that, it will wake him up, regardless of your skills and light armor.

So the answer is - in addition to having maxed skills, perfect light armor, and armor mods, it also helps a lot to be very careful where you step and what you do.

[aY227]

Originally posted by Tin:

What do you mean with a trigger that it's not refering to a noise, talking about a sleeper?

In POIs there are defined zones for sleepers to spawn. For example hospital helipad: i.imgur.com/Ei7Uy8i.png (btw we can see it's wrongly defined here - player can shoot spawned zombies without waking them up)
In default settings they will wake up on some "noise", but sometimes they are set to attack instantly when player will enter that defined zone.

Also you can read a bit about how stealth works in Config/Stealth.txt (except smell parts that are outdated)

Currently there is funny exploit if you want to mess a bit with "sneaking" - get full set of padded armor and put advanced muffed connectors on it, you will go negative noise so you can "stealth" with M60 and also check how things work with visibility.

[Jim Lahey]

Originally posted by aY227:

Originally posted by Tin:

What do you mean with a trigger that it's not refering to a noise, talking about a sleeper?

In POIs there are defined zones for sleepers to spawn. For example hospital helipad: i.imgur.com/Ei7Uy8i.png (btw we can see it's wrongly defined here - player can shoot spawned zombies without waking them up)
In default settings they will wake up on some "noise", but sometimes they are set to attack instantly when player will enter that defined zone.

Also you can read a bit about how stealth works in Config/Stealth.txt (except smell parts that are outdated)

Currently there is funny exploit if you want to mess a bit with "sneaking" - get full set of padded armor and put advanced muffed connectors on it, you will go negative noise so you can "stealth" with M60 and also check how things work with visibility.

In simpler terms... Padded Armor turns zombies into Skyrim NPCs

[aY227]

Originally posted by Jim Lahey:

In simpler terms... Padded Armor turns zombies into Skyrim NPCs

:D
Yes.

@Tin
And exploits aside, padded is what stealth character should use anyway. Later on with better skills and mods switching to military armor.

[CoinSpin]

I use "stealth build" variations (sorry Sylen) most of the time I play.

Cloth armor (later military), maxed out Light Armor, Strike and Shadows skills, using a crossbow (modded compound bow and steel arrows preferred). Also points in Parkour and having the few books that provide bonuses to reduce or eliminate various armor penalties can be super helpful.

But, in the end, it's very difficult to achieve the "no guns" desire. I always level up pistol, it's right in the Agility pool you are already putting points into, and a good modded pistol with the silencer is invaluable at helping to survive those situations where the sleepers in rooms are automatically triggered, or heavy enemies that don't go down after a headshot (or you just plain miss the headshot). I can survive later blood moons with a pistol as primary weapon, but usually die spectacularly trying to survive it with just a crossbow. The birds alone make it worth keeping the pistol handy to knock them out of the sky.