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RalphRoberts has 7 Days to Die

Nov 25, 2015 @ 1:04am

Why would you "flush" ram (if that's a real thing)? Why not just restart computer, which will be more effective at improving performance issues anyways?

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Doctor3D

Nov 25, 2015 @ 1:19am

Originally posted by RalphRoberts:
Why would you "flush" ram (if that's a real thing)? Why not just restart computer, which will be more effective at improving performance issues anyways?

He's trying to play the game with very little free system ram. In an attempt to prevent the game from crashing on him- he's clearing the ram every once in awhile.

OP it won't hurt anything, really. You can't clear ram that's locked into a process so anything that's actively important to the game wouldn't be released anyway. However, you're not really going to do much to help anything as modern Windows is already very efficient with memory handling as it is - when you're running a memory intense application on a ram-starved system it will do whatever it can to put as much of the less important background memory in cache.

You're virtually just doing whatever Windows would already do in most cases anyway. It might help prolong stability a tad bit longer than what Windows could do before a crash...who knows - if it works for you - might as well.... But, it's unlikely to cause a bug in your game if that's what you want to know.

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RalphRoberts has 7 Days to Die

Nov 25, 2015 @ 1:20am

Originally posted by doctor3d:
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Thanks for the info. :)

#3

LORD_K

Nov 25, 2015 @ 3:10am

Originally posted by RalphRoberts:
Why would you "flush" ram (if that's a real thing)? Why not just restart computer, which will be more effective at improving performance issues anyways?

My hardware is O)LD, and limited. I try disable someone

Originally posted by RalphRoberts:
Why would you "flush" ram (if that's a real thing)? Why not just restart computer, which will be more effective at improving performance issues anyways?

I even tried disabling '' functions '' BIOS, but the worsening performance and so little real RAM I win. As far as I and the technician can check, Some components use memory for you and I get apens 2 GB free after completely start windows. After the game load and be inicada the game are just over 200mb, making the OS get a little slow, but the game flows well; with the flush, the system empties part of throwing it on the SSD memory, paging aquivo (so I think), which frees the RAM and a little more would be left for the game in exact details do not know well. My question was to cause failure in the game as it is already rolling and using the memory; but I had no problems as well so; When the game is reading, by his own fault, re-start completely and it comes back okay.
Ps .: There VGA on-board use, and not I find this in the BIOS; only once found something in the BIOS, changing everything, a new option has emerged, but to change this, the OS lock, then went back as it was. Future, not now, there's no way, I will leave this PC, but not only because of 7days. :)

#4

LORD_K

Nov 25, 2015 @ 3:15am

Originally posted by doctor3d:
Originally posted by RalphRoberts:
Why would you "flush" ram (if that's a real thing)? Why not just restart computer, which will be more effective at improving performance issues anyways?

He's trying to play the game with very little free system ram. In an attempt to prevent the game from crashing on him- he's clearing the ram every once in awhile.

OP it won't hurt anything, really. You can't clear ram that's locked into a process so anything that's actively important to the game wouldn't be released anyway. However, you're not really going to do much to help anything as modern Windows is already very efficient with memory handling as it is - when you're running a memory intense application on a ram-starved system it will do whatever it can to put as much of the less important background memory in cache.

You're virtually just doing whatever Windows would already do in most cases anyway. It might help prolong stability a tad bit longer than what Windows could do before a crash...who knows - if it works for you - might as well.... But, it's unlikely to cause a bug in your game if that's what you want to know.

Yes, I get it, I know that risk of causing any failure or error in the game, so I asked if it's too bad this procedure; but does not seem consequence of total disaster, and no improvement when I relamente restart the game, but never the PC, only to crash or der bug in OS graphic by using the flush; So, just to summarize, you technically believe that I can use this procedure even in play, to win a little more RAM when it is at risk of being full?

#5

Doctor3D

Nov 25, 2015 @ 3:20am

Originally posted by SnipperKilleR:
Originally posted by doctor3d:

He's trying to play the game with very little free system ram. In an attempt to prevent the game from crashing on him- he's clearing the ram every once in awhile.

OP it won't hurt anything, really. You can't clear ram that's locked into a process so anything that's actively important to the game wouldn't be released anyway. However, you're not really going to do much to help anything as modern Windows is already very efficient with memory handling as it is - when you're running a memory intense application on a ram-starved system it will do whatever it can to put as much of the less important background memory in cache.

You're virtually just doing whatever Windows would already do in most cases anyway. It might help prolong stability a tad bit longer than what Windows could do before a crash...who knows - if it works for you - might as well.... But, it's unlikely to cause a bug in your game if that's what you want to know.

Yes, I get it, I know that risk of causing any failure or error in the game, so I asked if it's too bad this procedure; but does not seem consequence of total disaster, and no improvement when I relamente restart the game, but never the PC, only to crash or der bug in OS graphic by using the flush; So, just to summarize, you technically believe that I can use this procedure even in play, to win a little more RAM when it is at risk of being full?

Yes.

There's probably more tweaks you can do as well.

-Decrease the system cache size
-Increase the virtual memory (page file) size.
-Use Ready Boost
-Disable all non-essential system services in the "Services.msc" section.

Lot's of little things like that will help.

Last edited by Doctor3D; Nov 25, 2015 @ 3:21am

#6

LORD_K

Nov 25, 2015 @ 3:25am

Originally posted by doctor3d:
Originally posted by SnipperKilleR:

Yes, I get it, I know that risk of causing any failure or error in the game, so I asked if it's too bad this procedure; but does not seem consequence of total disaster, and no improvement when I relamente restart the game, but never the PC, only to crash or der bug in OS graphic by using the flush; So, just to summarize, you technically believe that I can use this procedure even in play, to win a little more RAM when it is at risk of being full?

Yes.

There's probably more tweaks you can do as well.

-Decrease the system cache size
-Increase the virtual memory (page file) size.
-Use Ready Boost
-Disable all non-essential system services in the "Services.msc" section.

Lot's of little things like that will help.

I already did all this, except readyboost, this does not help. Hardware needs more RAM, but it is almost impossible to find, and when I cost much gravel, not worth investing more in this old PC; I need to take a break'll change everything.

#7

Doctor3D

Nov 25, 2015 @ 3:29am

Originally posted by SnipperKilleR:
Originally posted by doctor3d:

Yes.

There's probably more tweaks you can do as well.

-Decrease the system cache size
-Increase the virtual memory (page file) size.
-Use Ready Boost
-Disable all non-essential system services in the "Services.msc" section.

Lot's of little things like that will help.

I already did all this, except readyboost, this does not help. Hardware needs more RAM, but it is almost impossible to find, and when I cost much gravel, not worth investing more in this old PC; I need to take a break'll change everything.

My wife's computer is 32-bit - she has to have it because the software for her work only supports 32-bit operating systems. Because of this, she's limited to 3.5GBs. I found that using Ready Boost was probably the most helpful thing out of everything else.

Before ready boost her computer was using about 750MB at startup after turning everything off that wasn't needed. This left her with about 2.7GB of usuable memory.

After ready boost (and all other various tweaks) her computer only uses about 300MB at startup. This leaves 3.2GB of usuable memory for the game.

When you setup Ready Boost you have to let your comptuer sit idle for a good while to let it put everything into its cache. If you don't, you won't notice the improvements. Watch the hard drive activity light after setting up Ready Boost - you'll notice it's constantly active - watch the process in process explorer. Reboot when the activity stops and then watch as it goes through even more transfer. Reboot several times - you'll notice it continues to add things to ready boost for at least two or three reboots.

After awhile it will no longer do so and will be running many things that were normally in memory directly from ready boost and the overall memory usage will be much lower from there on.

It's not instant. It takes awhile before you notice the benefit of Ready Boost.

Last edited by Doctor3D; Nov 25, 2015 @ 3:33am

#8

LORD_K

Nov 25, 2015 @ 3:34am

Operating System
Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit SP1
CPU
Intel Core 2 Duo E7500 @ 2.93GHz 35 °C
Tecnologia Wolfdale 45nm
RAM
4,00GB Dual-Channel DDR2 @ 398 Mhz (5-5-5-18)

(4GB but windows say 3,25) hardware use a lillte for he

Motherboard
Foxconn G31MXP (Socket 775) 40 °C

VGA
PHL 242G5 (1920x1080@144Hz)
1024MB NVIDIA GeForce 9500 GT (XFX Pine Group) 64 °C
(not help many)

Storage
111GB KINGSTON SV300S37A120G ATA Device (SSD) 28 °C
931GB Western Digital WDC WD10EADS-65L5B1 ATA Device (SATA) 30 °C

SONY DVD RW AD-7200S ATA Device

Áudio
Dispositivo de High Definition Audio

Last edited by LORD_K; Nov 25, 2015 @ 3:35am

#9

Doctor3D

Nov 25, 2015 @ 3:41am

Your hardware should not be using that much memory. 3.25 GB out of 4 GB on a 64-bit operating system doesn't sound right.

It looks like your onboard video adapter is still active and running even though you have a dedicated GPU with its own memory.

Go into the device manager and see if the onboard video adapter it still showing up there or possibly showing up as an unknown device.

If so - go into the BIOS again and instead of changing the video memory allocation setting - change the Initial Display setting - Change Initial Display to First PCI device.

You don't want it on the AUTO setting - the AUTO setting is bad.

I know theres a language barrier here so I hope you can understand.

Another easy way to confirm if the onboard GPU is what it still taking up all your RAM - is to connect your monitor to your onboard GPU and see if the image still displays - if it does - you know it's still active and thus taking memory. This also makes your game run slower as your CPU is still allocating resources to it. So make sure you get that disabled.

Last edited by Doctor3D; Nov 25, 2015 @ 3:45am

#10

LORD_K

Nov 25, 2015 @ 3:50am

Originally posted by doctor3d:
Your hardware should not be using that much memory. 3.25 GB out of 4 GB on a 64-bit operating system doesn't sound right.

It sounds like your onboard video adapter is still active and running even though you have a dedicated GPU with its own memory.

Go into the device manager and see if the onboard video adapter it still showing up there or possibly showing up as an unknown device.

If so - go into the BIOS again and instead of changing the video memory allocation setting - change the Initial Display setting - Change Initial Display to First PCI device.

You don't want it on the AUTO setting - the AUTO setting is bad.

I know theres a language barrier here so I hope you can understand.

Another easy way to confirm if the onboard GPU is what it still taking up all your RAM - is to connect your monitor to your onboard GPU and see if the image still displays - if it does - you know it's still active and thus taking memory. This also makes your game run slower as your CPU is still allocating resources to it. So make sure you get that disabled.

We have turned the head BIOS down, ie tried everything, this MB (motherboard) has VGA on-board initially figured the GT9500, would be using 256mb to herself, we could not find it was removing and that even if it exists; But in the end, the conclusion that the MB or the BIOS is using some RAM to manage the entire HARDWARE, but if some BIOS functions are reduced gain of RAM, lose stability or performance; Already sought expert help, nothing was achieved, is own of MB

#11

LORD_K

Nov 25, 2015 @ 4:06am

I use external link because I do not know, I believe we do not have other means, the steam not screen captures out of your platform, and I know some experts will keep talking about security, then already warning that is my google personal account, not I like to do different, unless someone tell me how; then not fill the bag with me soaked;
grateful.

Summary of physical memory:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BwuPQzFboIzIeEpFcEpBdTdJWmM/view?usp=sharing

#12

Doctor3D

Nov 25, 2015 @ 4:06am

Originally posted by SnipperKilleR:
Originally posted by doctor3d:
Your hardware should not be using that much memory. 3.25 GB out of 4 GB on a 64-bit operating system doesn't sound right.

It sounds like your onboard video adapter is still active and running even though you have a dedicated GPU with its own memory.

Go into the device manager and see if the onboard video adapter it still showing up there or possibly showing up as an unknown device.

If so - go into the BIOS again and instead of changing the video memory allocation setting - change the Initial Display setting - Change Initial Display to First PCI device.

You don't want it on the AUTO setting - the AUTO setting is bad.

I know theres a language barrier here so I hope you can understand.

Another easy way to confirm if the onboard GPU is what it still taking up all your RAM - is to connect your monitor to your onboard GPU and see if the image still displays - if it does - you know it's still active and thus taking memory. This also makes your game run slower as your CPU is still allocating resources to it. So make sure you get that disabled.

We have turned the head BIOS down, ie tried everything, this MB (motherboard) has VGA on-board initially figured the GT9500, would be using 256mb to herself, we could not find it was removing and that even if it exists; But in the end, the conclusion that the MB or the BIOS is using some RAM to manage the entire HARDWARE, but if some BIOS functions are reduced gain of RAM, lose stability or performance; Already sought expert help, nothing was achieved, is own of MB

I understand. But normally a loss of that much RAM due to memory remapping should not be happening on a 64-bit operating system.

However, that motherboard is fairly old - so it was designed with the idea that a 32-bit OS would probably be in use.

In that case, your only hope would be to see if there is a remapping option in the BIOS - if so - change it to OFF or DISABLED and that will free it up.

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