What counts as a "shelter"?

[Mnemovore]

If you have the unfortunate luck of starting out in the tundra biome (not even sure its survivable on a brand new world) you get notifications as you start freezing to death to seek a campfire or shelter. I've tried building a super small enclosed building with a campfire but still freeze to death.

Is there a temperature control mechanism that applies to shelters and what counts as a "shelter"? Or do I just have to dig down 100+ meters?

[Red Eagle LXIX]

15% enclosed, but it is unclear if that is man/player made blocks or any blocks:
weathersurvival.xml:

	<!-- From 0-1 how much do you have to be surrounded before being considered "inside" -->
	<property name="EnclosureDetectionThreshold" value="0.15"/>

[Ragequit Inc.]

Originally posted by Red Eagle LXIX:

15% enclosed, but it is unclear if that is man/player made blocks or any blocks:
weathersurvival.xml:

	<!-- From 0-1 how much do you have to be surrounded before being considered "inside" -->
	<property name="EnclosureDetectionThreshold" value="0.15"/>

Pardon my french, but what the hell does that even mean..? My brain isn't coming up with an explanation, I'm a bit tired, lol. :)

[YamaKami]

Lets say to be safe, 4 walls and a roof should suffice.

[Red Eagle LXIX]

Originally posted by Ragequit Inc.:

Originally posted by Red Eagle LXIX:

15% enclosed, but it is unclear if that is man/player made blocks or any blocks:
weathersurvival.xml:

	<!-- From 0-1 how much do you have to be surrounded before being considered "inside" -->
	<property name="EnclosureDetectionThreshold" value="0.15"/>

Pardon my french, but what the hell does that even mean..? My brain isn't coming up with an explanation, I'm a bit tired, lol. :)

You need to be enclosed by at least 15% to be considered "inside". Anything less surrounding your person is considered outside.
The only question on that is if it has to be placed wall/floor/roof type blocks, or if simply digging a hole or building a dirt hut is considered enclosed.
That part is unknown/unclear. To be safe, just build cheap walls and a floor/roof.

[beans]

I believe it has to be man-made. I'm dehydrating to death in a hole in the ground, and I have been for the past 30 minutes.

The ground definitely isn't safe, apparently.

[ghost-nl]

I,M AT THE TUNDRA MYSELF AT THE MOMENT.JUST MADE MORE FIRES INSIDE,I HAVE FOUR ON A ROW WORKS GREAT

[oohbetty]

i use wooden frames, they have kept me alive in -43 degrees, as said tho leave no gaps.

curiously once your frame box is "sealed" you can remove one block without breaking the "seal", but take 2 and the temp starts to drop, not tested tho just observations.

[Red Eagle LXIX]

Originally posted by oohbetty:

i use wooden frames, they have kept me alive in -43 degrees, as said tho leave no gaps.

curiously once your frame box is "sealed" you can remove one block without breaking the "seal", but take 2 and the temp starts to drop, not tested tho just observations.

Interesting, sounds like the meaning of the numbers is reversed and it actually requires 85% coverage. I would bet a larger box, you'd likely be able to take out more blocks and still be covered.

[oohbetty]

Originally posted by Red Eagle LXIX:

Originally posted by oohbetty:

i use wooden frames, they have kept me alive in -43 degrees, as said tho leave no gaps.

curiously once your frame box is "sealed" you can remove one block without breaking the "seal", but take 2 and the temp starts to drop, not tested tho just observations.

Interesting, sounds like the meaning of the numbers is reversed and it actually requires 85% coverage. I would bet a larger box, you'd likely be able to take out more blocks and still be covered.

nice, may go a long to explaining why opening a door in a moderately sized room doesn't lower the rooms temp, will do a bit of testing on that at some point, just now i'm enjoying the game too much to be testing :D

[Arisilde]

it doesn't have to be player made. You can stand in the corner of the half burnt down buildings in the burnt biome and it will reduce your heat, but not always effectively. placing even and unfinished wooden frame above you reduces the heat more. Repairing the walls so that they are not the burnt blocks with holes anymore also makes a difference, and yes, closing in windows will afford the best protection. It seems to me that it can tell just how much you are surrounded by and it effects your insulation accordingly.

My wife dug a hole into the side of a cliff in the desert and being in there helped her heat a ton, but leaving the cave opening being left open caused her to still be a little hot. Het heat stoke ended however. So terrain blocks definitely work as well.

I was in a ruined city that bisected a desert/burnt biome, and I climbed into a building with an enclosed room. I was still suffering heat issues due to the 4 open windows. as soon as I closed them in my heat dropped down from 115 to 98. So windows do have a large effect.

[Red Eagle LXIX]

Originally posted by Arisilde:

it doesn't have to be player made. You can stand in the corner of the half burnt down buildings in the burnt biome and it will reduce your heat, but not always effectively. placing even and unfinished wooden frame above you reduces the heat more. Repairing the walls so that they are not the burnt blocks with holes anymore also makes a difference, and yes, closing in windows will afford the best protection. It seems to me that it can tell just how much you are surrounded by and it effects your insulation accordingly.

My wife dug a hole into the side of a cliff in the desert and being in there helped her heat a ton, but leaving the cave opening being left open caused her to still be a little hot. Het heat stoke ended however. So terrain blocks definitely work as well.

I was in a ruined city that bisected a desert/burnt biome, and I climbed into a building with an enclosed room. I was still suffering heat issues due to the 4 open windows. as soon as I closed them in my heat dropped down from 115 to 98. So windows do have a large effect.

Pretty sure it still has to be man/player made type block though, and not just terrain blocks (like using a hut of dirt or or hole into stone).
I don't think it matters if the blocks themselves were part of a prefab or player made though, as long as they are of a man made type and not terrain type. At least that is how it appears to me thus far.

[Sigh-Phi-Guy]

i was on the roof of a prefab, no fire, freezing. i went down the ladder to the second floor and startet to warm up nicely.

i built a totally enclosed small base and i freeze while inside.

i think only prefabs work to keep you warm. player-mades dont do squat.

[Wonko486]

That sounds like the basis for experimentation, since the player can build log cabin wood.

[Red Eagle LXIX]

Originally posted by Red Eagle LXIX:

15% enclosed, but it is unclear if that is man/player made blocks or any blocks:
weathersurvival.xml:

	<!-- From 0-1 how much do you have to be surrounded before being considered "inside" -->
	<property name="EnclosureDetectionThreshold" value="0.15"/>

Originally posted by oohbetty:

Originally posted by Red Eagle LXIX:

Interesting, sounds like the meaning of the numbers is reversed and it actually requires 85% coverage. I would bet a larger box, you'd likely be able to take out more blocks and still be covered.

nice, may go a long to explaining why opening a door in a moderately sized room doesn't lower the rooms temp, will do a bit of testing on that at some point, just now i'm enjoying the game too much to be testing :D

Yes, the commenting does appear incorrect. You need to be 85% enclosed to have the effects of being indoors take effect.
That also works for explaining why a small room with a small opening can be considered outdoors but a really large room with a medium hole can still be considered indoors.
Just did a few tests myself in the desert to confirm it.
Also seems to either pre-fabs or player placed/built blocks (example wood frames and their upgrades.

One issue I did notice, after upgrading some frames, the effect of being indoors went away until I walked about 20 blocks away and came back.

Dirt hut appears to work as well. Hole in the ground also works, same rules, just have to be surrounded 85% or more (just finished digging a small room underground).

As such I would suggest if you've just upgraded or dug, or built something and find the indoor effect does not appear to be activating, perhaps walk away a bit and back. This might need a bit more testing to investigate.

[Mnemovore]

I bet this may have been the case : I had the bare minimum 2x2 floor (2 spaces sleeping bag, 1 fire, 1 chest) completely enclosed but I had a door. Still froze to death. Player made floor, wall, roof, and door.

If the door does not count as "enclosed" space I might have dropped beneath the 85% threshhold. I also dodn't run away and come back.

It would be nice if a status icon could be implemented to show what counts as "sheltered" or not.