Fireaxe vs steel pickaxe

[sek4i_]

So i didnt have a fireaxe with me and tried to destroy wooden things such as barricades when u're looting, trees, doors...
Both of them are level 600 obviously - i realised that the skill Blade Weapons wont affect the damage on wooden things but only on melee damage against zeds.

The funny thing is, if i chop down a tree the steel axe gets 40wood and is able to do 100 damage.
On the other hand the fireaxe is doing 60 damage and gehts 2X wood?

Fireaxe completely useless? lol

[Mytheos]

Fireaxe has a faster swing time than a steel pickaxe.

Its been boosted a time or two as well so there may be something still not set right with it.

[Blood Flowers]

With 100 Mining Skill, your steel pickaxe gets a 2x base block damage multiplier. So you do something like 400+ block damage with one swing. Even with the 1/4 damage reduction for using the wrong tool, you still deal more damage with the steel pick. But this generally only starts occuring after you have hit the higher levels of mining tools + quality of the steel pick.
Furthermore, the fireaxe swings about twice as fast as the steel pickaxe, thus you are actually doing slightly more damage per second to the tree compared to the steel pickaxe. Moreover, the harvest amount is based on the damage dealt out of the total health of the object, then it will multiply that multiplier against the maximum harvest amount. TLDR: You harvest the same amount in the end regardless of the tool, steel pickaxe trumps just about everything lategame in terms of maximum damage while the fireaxe is still better DPS.

[sek4i_]

Originally posted by Blood Flowers:

With 100 Mining Skill, your steel pickaxe gets a 2x base block damage multiplier. So you do something like 400+ block damage with one swing. Even with the 1/4 damage reduction for using the wrong tool, you still deal more damage with the steel pick. But this generally only starts occuring after you have hit the higher levels of mining tools + quality of the steel pick.
Furthermore, the fireaxe swings about twice as fast as the steel pickaxe, thus you are actually doing slightly more damage per second to the tree compared to the steel pickaxe. Moreover, the harvest amount is based on the damage dealt out of the total health of the object, then it will multiply that multiplier against the maximum harvest amount. TLDR: You harvest the same amount in the end regardless of the tool, steel pickaxe trumps just about everything lategame in terms of maximum damage while the fireaxe is still better DPS.

I doubt its planned like that? Shouldnt sharp weapons also work for trees/wooden things?

Thanks for the detailed answer though

edit: if you test it i doubt the fireaxe will have the double speed of the steel pickaxe

[Spacepiggio]

One is for wood & one is for metal, not any plainer than that.

[sek4i_]

Originally posted by SpacePiggio*BK*:

One is for wood & one is for metal, not any plainer than that.

did you even read more than the title said? .......

[Blood Flowers]

Originally posted by ^¿:

Originally posted by Blood Flowers:

With 100 Mining Skill, your steel pickaxe gets a 2x base block damage multiplier. So you do something like 400+ block damage with one swing. Even with the 1/4 damage reduction for using the wrong tool, you still deal more damage with the steel pick. But this generally only starts occuring after you have hit the higher levels of mining tools + quality of the steel pick.
Furthermore, the fireaxe swings about twice as fast as the steel pickaxe, thus you are actually doing slightly more damage per second to the tree compared to the steel pickaxe. Moreover, the harvest amount is based on the damage dealt out of the total health of the object, then it will multiply that multiplier against the maximum harvest amount. TLDR: You harvest the same amount in the end regardless of the tool, steel pickaxe trumps just about everything lategame in terms of maximum damage while the fireaxe is still better DPS.

I doubt its planned like that? Shouldnt sharp weapons also work for trees/wooden things?

Thanks for the detailed answer though

I am pretty certain they didn't intend for it to be like that. That's just how the coding made it out to be. Hopefully if the ever introduce steel fireaxes/shovels that will even out the disparity. Granted the fireaxe is still the better tool overall for cutting down a tree (but not by too much).
As to other sharp weapons working on trees/wooden things, if you swing a machete at a tree trunk, you will probably break the machete before you get a quarter way through the tree. Same applies for decently thick wooden things. The blade on these weapons are too thin to be of any practical use in cutting down a tree. (Don't ask why the steel pick works so well though.... maybe if it can cut through stone... it can cut through trees...?)

[Honor's Bastion]

The basic problem is that the fireaxe is set as a bladed weapon and not a mining tool. The difference here is that bladed weapons primarily get a damage increase towards their entity damage with some minor block damage increases while mining tools is the exact opposite increasing the block damage with only a very minor, unnoticeable entity damage increase.

This means that the fireaxe doesn't benefit as much from its skill tree as a steel pickaxe does in its role as a tool. The increased block damage from the mining tools is so powerful for the steel pickaxe that it can even partially negate the damage reduction from using it on the wrong material.

In my own testing, if I set the fireaxe as a mining tool instead of a bladed weapon, it clearly shined as the better tool against wood while the steel pickaxe did well against metal and stone.

[Mytheos]

Originally posted by Honor's Bastion:

The basic problem is that the fireaxe is set as a bladed weapon and not a mining tool. The difference here is that bladed weapons primarily get a damage increase towards their entity damage with some minor block damage increases while mining tools is the exact opposite increasing the block damage with only a very minor, unnoticeable entity damage increase.

This means that the fireaxe doesn't benefit as much from its skill tree as a steel pickaxe does in its role as a tool. The increased block damage from the mining tools is so powerful for the steel pickaxe that it can even partially negate the damage reduction from using it on the wrong material.

In my own testing, if I set the fireaxe as a mining tool instead of a bladed weapon, it clearly shined as the better tool against wood while the steel pickaxe did well against metal and stone.

Yeah its not balanced well right now...could use a little polish, and really the Fireaxe would be compared to an iron pickaxe.

Might just be we dont have the steel fireaxe yet.

[CptnHarlock]

THe pickaxe uses more stamina and is more expensive to make and repair. You just have to chose if it\s worth it. As to if it was intended, probably not, but the balance of the properties I mentioned makes it okay in my oppinion.

In PvP worlds I occasionaly get raidedor griefed and killed and end up on my bare bottom. being able to craft a quality 600 stone axe helps so much. :)

[Blood Flowers]

Originally posted by CptnHarlock:

THe pickaxe uses more stamina and is more expensive to make and repair. You just have to chose if it\s worth it. As to if it was intended, probably not, but the balance of the properties I mentioned makes it okay in my oppinion.

In PvP worlds I occasionaly get raidedor griefed and killed and end up on my bare bottom. being able to craft a quality 600 stone axe helps so much. :)

The steel pickaxe uses less stamina than the fireaxe. It is slightly (barely noticeable) more expensive to repair (why are you repairing anyways? It's more efficient to just make a new one).