Random stats on weapons and armor need to go

[ProxyJames]

I am sick of getting hype to find a level 6 peace of armor or weapon only to see the level 5 or 4 one I have is better in every way minus durability

[Shurenai]

Are you comparing the Q6 item against your modded out Q5? Or are you comparing them both modded out and/or both unmodded?

'Cause mods make a huge difference. Every mod is a 15% bonus to the main stat (typically damage or block damage) in addition to it's other effects.

So, a Q5 item has 3 mod slots and, for example, 50 damage.
And a Q6 with 4 mod slots and 48 damage..

But when modded out, the Q5 has 72.5 damage, while the Q6 has 76.8. In addition to the extra bonus stats from the additional mod, the Q6 ends up actually having the superior stats once it's modded out.

[ProxyJames]

Originally posted by Shurenai:

Are you comparing the Q6 item against your modded out Q5? Or are you comparing them both modded out and/or both unmodded?

'Cause mods make a huge difference. Every mod is a 15% bonus to the main stat (typically damage or block damage) in addition to it's other effects.

So, a Q5 item has 3 mod slots and, for example, 50 damage.
And a Q6 with 4 mod slots and 48 damage..

But when modded out, the Q5 has 72.5 damage, while the Q6 has 76.8. In addition to the extra bonus stats from the additional mod, the Q6 ends up actually having the superior stats once it's modded out.

no a great example is just today: I found a military chest level 6 and a auto shotgun level 6, I went into my level 5 versions and removed all the mods just to make sure and the chest peace had one less defense and the auto shotgun did the same amount of damage as my level 5 but had 2 less ammo (witch is another stupid thing, a weapons ammo capacity should stay the same because it is determined by the magazine not the weapon)

[westrud]

If the stats were all the same the hype would be over, now you will still feel some excitement next time you find a level 6 because it might be a little better then the one you already have.

[seven]

Originally posted by Shurenai:

'Cause mods make a huge difference. Every mod is a 15% bonus to the main stat (typically damage or block damage) in addition to it's other effects.

This is something I've wondered about. Say you put a bunker buster mod on your pick axe. The stats shows it boosts the block damage, but the description says it works on rock. So, do you get that better block damage only on rock, or on everything with an additional, sort of hidden, damage to rock? Similar question about the hunter mod. It increases the displayed base damage, but says it is for living things which would rule out zombies and zombie animals.

[Shurenai]

Originally posted by seven:

Originally posted by Shurenai:

'Cause mods make a huge difference. Every mod is a 15% bonus to the main stat (typically damage or block damage) in addition to it's other effects.

This is something I've wondered about. Say you put a bunker buster mod on your pick axe. The stats shows it boosts the block damage, but the description says it works on rock. So, do you get that better block damage only on rock, or on everything with an additional, sort of hidden, damage to rock? Similar question about the hunter mod. It increases the displayed base damage, but says it is for living things which would rule out zombies and zombie animals.

As I said, every mod gives you a baseline +15% <main stat>. This is completely aside from whatever the mod actually does. It's a baseline bonus for having a mod equipped at all to the tool/weapon.

So, Assuming you only have the rockbuster mod on, You would get the +15% from the mod itself vs everything, then the mod specific +50% damage to rock specifically vs rock. So you'd do 1.15x against all things, and 1.65x against stone in that example.

Same thing for The Hunter mod- You'd do 1.15x damage against any and all creatures, and 2.15 against anything classified as living.

[RasaNova]

Originally posted by seven:

Originally posted by Shurenai:

'Cause mods make a huge difference. Every mod is a 15% bonus to the main stat (typically damage or block damage) in addition to it's other effects.

This is something I've wondered about. Say you put a bunker buster mod on your pick axe. The stats shows it boosts the block damage, but the description says it works on rock. So, do you get that better block damage only on rock, or on everything with an additional, sort of hidden, damage to rock? Similar question about the hunter mod. It increases the displayed base damage, but says it is for living things which would rule out zombies and zombie animals.

It gives a flat bonus to the item stats, in addition to whatever benefit the mod has.

[IRuleAll]

Originally posted by ProxyJames:

I am sick of getting hype to find a level 6 peace of armor or weapon only to see the level 5 or 4 one I have is better in every way minus durability

why so you can find one version and be done? talk about boring and uneventful. you would be BiS gear by like day 30 and never improve, that would be really stupid.

[seven]

@Shurenai, thank you. 1600+ hours and I've never seen it explained so directly. I'll agonize less over mod choices now.

[RasaNova]

Originally posted by ProxyJames:

I am sick of getting hype to find a level 6 peace of armor or weapon only to see the level 5 or 4 one I have is better in every way minus durability

It certainly happens. But there are other factors besides just the stats on the surface, such as have been mentioned with mods and such.

A lvl 5 shottie might do more than a lvl 6 but the possible range is higher overall for each stat. a level 3 for example even might have comperable damage and capacity as a level 6, but that level 6 is almost certainly going to have higher durability and those 2 additional mods are going to make it MUCH more versatile.

[ProxyJames]

Originally posted by RasaNova:

Originally posted by ProxyJames:

I am sick of getting hype to find a level 6 peace of armor or weapon only to see the level 5 or 4 one I have is better in every way minus durability

It certainly happens. But there are other factors besides just the stats on the surface, such as have been mentioned with mods and such.

A lvl 5 shottie might do more than a lvl 6 but the possible range is higher overall for each stat. a level 3 for example even might have comperable damage and capacity as a level 6, but that level 6 is almost certainly going to have higher durability and those 2 additional mods are going to make it MUCH more versatile.

so in the case of armor, there is only two mods that will buff the defense and in my case the level 6 weapon only did 1 more damage fully modded with 4 less rounds so ♥♥♥♥ that.
IF you could craft level 6 stuff I would be find with some random stats because I could always make another one and hope for good rolls, but level 6 stuff is 100% RNG, on top of that I don't even think leveled gear should be a thing in game everything should just be a flat base stat

[Shady Knights]

Is there any table or reference online that shows the RNG range on weapons/armour per tier?

[ミメミ]

I'm still not too experienced with xpath, but I think a simple modlet of the items.xml like this would do what you want:

<config>
<set xpath="/items//effect_group/passive_effect[(contains(@name, 'EntityDamage') and (contains(@operation, 'perc_add') and not (contains(@tier, '2,6'))]/@value">0</set>
<set xpath="/items//effect_group/passive_effect[(contains(@name, 'BlockDamage') and (contains(@operation, 'perc_add') and not (contains(@tier, '2,6'))]/@value">0</set>
<set xpath="/items//effect_group/passive_effect[(contains(@name, 'DegradationMax') and (contains(@operation, 'perc_add'))]/@value">0</set>
</config>

@Shurenai
If I'm not mistaken, the random range is +/-15%, but the mod bonus is only 10%.

[Seftak]

Originally posted by ProxyJames:

Originally posted by RasaNova:

It certainly happens. But there are other factors besides just the stats on the surface, such as have been mentioned with mods and such.

A lvl 5 shottie might do more than a lvl 6 but the possible range is higher overall for each stat. a level 3 for example even might have comperable damage and capacity as a level 6, but that level 6 is almost certainly going to have higher durability and those 2 additional mods are going to make it MUCH more versatile.

so in the case of armor, there is only two mods that will buff the defense and in my case the level 6 weapon only did 1 more damage fully modded with 4 less rounds so ♥♥♥♥ that.
IF you could craft level 6 stuff I would be find with some random stats because I could always make another one and hope for good rolls, but level 6 stuff is 100% RNG, on top of that I don't even think leveled gear should be a thing in game everything should just be a flat base stat

So you just want to use the exact same gun from day 10 to day 100 without having any reason to go out there looting for new stuff? You can just go play CS:GO if you only want a shooter without the RPG part...

[Mr Fantastic]

Originally posted by ProxyJames:

Originally posted by RasaNova:

It certainly happens. But there are other factors besides just the stats on the surface, such as have been mentioned with mods and such.

A lvl 5 shottie might do more than a lvl 6 but the possible range is higher overall for each stat. a level 3 for example even might have comperable damage and capacity as a level 6, but that level 6 is almost certainly going to have higher durability and those 2 additional mods are going to make it MUCH more versatile.

so in the case of armor, there is only two mods that will buff the defense and in my case the level 6 weapon only did 1 more damage fully modded with 4 less rounds so ♥♥♥♥ that.
IF you could craft level 6 stuff I would be find with some random stats because I could always make another one and hope for good rolls, but level 6 stuff is 100% RNG, on top of that I don't even think leveled gear should be a thing in game everything should just be a flat base stat

You can craft lv6 with a basic mod, it's kinda lame they took that option from the game, investing in skills takes a long time and effort, rank 5 skill should be able to make tier 6 like before.

https://www.nexusmods.com/7daystodie/mods/627

[RasaNova]

Originally posted by ProxyJames:

Originally posted by RasaNova:

It certainly happens. But there are other factors besides just the stats on the surface, such as have been mentioned with mods and such.

A lvl 5 shottie might do more than a lvl 6 but the possible range is higher overall for each stat. a level 3 for example even might have comperable damage and capacity as a level 6, but that level 6 is almost certainly going to have higher durability and those 2 additional mods are going to make it MUCH more versatile.

so in the case of armor, there is only two mods that will buff the defense and in my case the level 6 weapon only did 1 more damage fully modded with 4 less rounds so ♥♥♥♥ that.
IF you could craft level 6 stuff I would be find with some random stats because I could always make another one and hope for good rolls, but level 6 stuff is 100% RNG, on top of that I don't even think leveled gear should be a thing in game everything should just be a flat base stat

Armor tiers have very little (if any) effect on the actual armor stat. A 2-quality helmet could have the same or higher rating as a 6-quality. But armor is more than just an straight damage protection, it's pockets, environmental protection, noise level, mobility, durability, value, etc. The most important aspects of armor of any given type is durability and number of mod slots, It's always worth upgrading from quality 5 to 6, even if it means losing a point or 2.

Same with weapons, although there is more variance in damage. But again damage isn't the only factor. Your level 6 weapon did only 1 more damage fully modded. Seems a little low, the RNG was not with you... But what about ammo capacity? durability? rate of fire? Range? And isn't that 4th mod worth something?

To be fair, yes I have gotten screwed by the RNG several times. Robotic turrets in particular seem all over the place, several times I've set aside a higher quality turret in favor of a lower one with increased damage. (or at least I used to, before realizing the most important turret stats are capacity range and rate of fire.)