food and water

[Ak-87]

hey thanks for making me starve and become thirsty faster its alot better now

[Settings]

Hunger mechanic needs tuned

I ate 17 ears of Corn on my first night in 1.0. Worried if I build a campfire I'll turn in to a popcorn maker. Can we tune this down a little please?

[Duneman]

If you're in the forest you should find dozens of eggs, more than you'll know what to do with. Do like 1 quest for the trader and you'll get the 600 Dukes necessary to purchase a Cooking Pot. Food and water are then solved.

[Macdallan]

Originally posted by Ak-87:

hey thanks for making me starve and become thirsty faster its alot better now

I don't find that my character gets hungry or thirsty all that fast compared to previous versions of the game. It's not much of an issue even if they do. Drinks and foods are really easy to get. You can build a dew collector before the end of day one if you focus on getting the right materials. I had one before midnight on the first day in a recent new game. You can easily obtain a cooking pot from a vendor or from scavenging so you can boil the murky dew water making it safe to drink, shouldn't take more than a few days to get a cooking pot.

You can hunt animals for meat, and easily find eggs since there are nests all over the place. You can also buy both food and water from the vendor or vending machines if you can't seem to find enough over the first few days. You will find plenty of drinks and food in the POIs you explore so hunger and thirst are usually a day 1 and 2 inconvenience, and beyond that you should be fine.

[thestile]

There are foods and meds that dehydrate you. That can play in significantly

I wish I could watch people play to see how they run out of food. You can literally just eat fat off the ground to keep hunger away. Lol
I'll eat anything if I need to, fat, old sandwiches. They work just fine, aside from the dysentery chance from the sandwiches.

[Macdallan]

Originally posted by thestile:

There are foods and meds that dehydrate you. That can play in significantly

I wish I could watch people play to see how they run out of food. You can literally just eat fat off the ground to keep hunger away. Lol
I'll eat anything if I need to, fat, old sandwiches. They work just fine, aside from the dysentery chance from the sandwiches.

Yes, I would like to actually see what they are doing wrong because there's a 99% chance it's something they're doing causing the issue. Food just isn't hard to get and neither are water or other drinks. Pretty much every POI has food and water in it. Nests with eggs are everywhere. Animals aren't that hard to spot and kill. Traders and vending machines sell food and drinks and doing a mission or two gives you enough cash to buy more than enough of both to get through a day. I have started 3 new games recently and in each one food and water became a non-issue before day 3 was over.

[onanonehand8]

7d2d has a steep learning curve. Canned food rarely if ever dehydrates and often helps fight thirst. Although those effects aren't as long lasting as something as nourishing as spaghetti.

Charred meat is good for hunger but will bring on thirst.

Find a pot or forge a pot and start boiling water. Kill a chicken, rabbit, or if you're quick enough a deer. food for a day.

[DarkFaceGlow]

It’s really not that hard at all. There is food and water just about everywhere.

[Vim]

I honestly wish I could stream to someone who could point out what I'm doing wrong, I am constantly dehydrated and starving, and this is preventing me from doing anything that might give me more food or water. So far this game has has only 1 purpose, and that is to desperately search for food and water while always being on the verge of death because of it.

I just don't understand what the game wants me to do. The tutorial or starting quests give no indication of how to get any either. I found a sandwich in the first trader quest, which gave me disentery, I tried drinking murky water in a desperation twice, and both times got dysentery. I don't know what the game wants me to do. Completing a quest got me enough money to buy one can of food, which refills 10-15 food, which is a sliver of the food I need. But water is by far the bigger problem, simply because you are dead without stamina.

[JimmyIowa]

I didn't find that many animals in the starting biome, but eggs are carpeting the landscape from edge to edge. And you usually get multiple food items from every T1 mission. And you can buy food from Rekt's vending machine if you still don't have enough.

Water is stupid easy. Make a dew collector on day 2.

[Vim]

Originally posted by JimmyIowa:

I didn't find that many animals in the starting biome, but eggs are carpeting the landscape from edge to edge. And you usually get multiple food items from every T1 mission. And you can buy food from Rekt's vending machine if you still don't have enough.

Water is stupid easy. Make a dew collector on day 2.

Sure, I found lots of nests, but the vast majority have only feathers. And 1 egg is 5 food, which is far less food than my character consumes while I am searching for more eggs. So searching nests is a negative net food gain, and it does nothing to combat thirst. And I can't make a dew collector, because I need to somehow find a way to make workstation level 2's, and even if I could, which I can't, I have no way of turning that murky water into potable water, and would just get disentery again for the 5th time.

[JimmyIowa]

Originally posted by Vim:

I honestly wish I could stream to someone who could point out what I'm doing wrong, I am constantly dehydrated and starving, and this is preventing me from doing anything that might give me more food or water. So far this game has has only 1 purpose, and that is to desperately search for food and water while always being on the verge of death because of it.

Save the old sandwiches until you have 10 of them and you have a vitamin (prevents illnes) and you are starving (like pulsing red), then pop the vit and scarf down 10 yummy sandwiches.

Super healing or whatever it's called increases hunger. Don't use it until you are powerful. As does running everywhere. And most everything else. If you are having trouble with food, try walking places, unless you are being chased or something obviously. Walking uses vastly less food than sprinting.

You should be getting food items from doing a mission, correct? And you should be able to do 1 mission per day, correct? And you can spend the gold from missions on even more food and water correct? If both all three of those are correct, can you give us some info on why that's not enough food?

[Eagle Black]

Originally posted by Macdallan:

Originally posted by thestile:

There are foods and meds that dehydrate you. That can play in significantly

I wish I could watch people play to see how they run out of food. You can literally just eat fat off the ground to keep hunger away. Lol
I'll eat anything if I need to, fat, old sandwiches. They work just fine, aside from the dysentery chance from the sandwiches.

Yes, I would like to actually see what they are doing wrong because there's a 99% chance it's something they're doing causing the issue. Food just isn't hard to get and neither are water or other drinks. Pretty much every POI has food and water in it. Nests with eggs are everywhere. Animals aren't that hard to spot and kill. Traders and vending machines sell food and drinks and doing a mission or two gives you enough cash to buy more than enough of both to get through a day. I have started 3 new games recently and in each one food and water became a non-issue before day 3 was over.

How? I played up until day 6 and I was in need to buy water every day because I was not getting any water from POI, only rarely murky water but nearly not enough to survive pushing me to buy water.
Now at day 6 the merchant have no water, POI are not dropping any murky water, I can not find the book for the dew collector and I am dying of thirst.
Nope, I am going back to alpha 20.

[Za Warudo]

Food and water can be challenge at first 1-3 days, I need to eat old sandwiches while my friend starving coz he let me eat first (I play AGI and he play int so combat role is mostly me). After that we can cook better food and craft some dew collector so food&water are plenty now.

Btw we play in warrior difficulty, I thing higher difficult will drain your food&water faster since last month we play in adventurer and had no problem with food&water since day 1.

Tip1 : spare 1 point in animal tracker can help alot at beginning
Tip2 : you can always take a risk at lake and river for water, even if you got dysentery you won't die instantly. Better if you can craft goldenrod tea for curing.

[Macdallan]

Originally posted by Vim:

I honestly wish I could stream to someone who could point out what I'm doing wrong, I am constantly dehydrated and starving, and this is preventing me from doing anything that might give me more food or water. So far this game has has only 1 purpose, and that is to desperately search for food and water while always being on the verge of death because of it.

I just don't understand what the game wants me to do. The tutorial or starting quests give no indication of how to get any either. I found a sandwich in the first trader quest, which gave me disentery, I tried drinking murky water in a desperation twice, and both times got dysentery. I don't know what the game wants me to do. Completing a quest got me enough money to buy one can of food, which refills 10-15 food, which is a sliver of the food I need. But water is by far the bigger problem, simply because you are dead without stamina.

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Originally posted by Eagle Black:

How? I played up until day 6 and I was in need to buy water every day because I was not getting any water from POI, only rarely murky water but nearly not enough to survive pushing me to buy water.
Now at day 6 the merchant have no water, POI are not dropping any murky water, I can not find the book for the dew collector and I am dying of thirst.
Nope, I am going back to alpha 20.

Assuming default loot settings you shouldn't be struggling for food or liquids by day 6. Possible that RNG is really kicking you while you're down, but typically that should not be happening.

You don't need clean water stay hydrated and you shouldn't be drinking water unless you can't make one of the other drinks because they all boost hydration more than water does. Coffee. Red tea. Goldenrod tea. Yucca Juice. Yucca smoothie. Any food that also provides hydration will also help and there are several of those including pears, peas, stock, miso, any of the stews, sham chowder, boiled meat...

Really struggling? Find vending machines to buy other drinks and foods from them if the trader doesn't have what you need. Do trader quests, hit POIs and search kitchens, and the "end of POI loot rooms." There are often stacks of food in POIs, usually those contain both drinks and foods.

Magazines - hit mail boxes. Go around the first town you find and hit ALL the mail boxes as soon as you can. Good chance you'll unlock the dew collector doing this. Find a cement mixer? Should still be a guaranteed workbench magazine in those, was 100% chance of it in A21.X.

[Azael Ijima δ]

Any player having trouble keeping up with thirst and water should spend 2 out of their 4 starting perks point into "Master Chef" and "Iron guts".

The first 3 days are always a bit rough, but once you can make Beacon & Eggs / Red Tea, you should be fine as you'll roughly only need 3 of each per day to stay completely full.

Should get better from there, especially if you also got one or two dew collectors.

Alternatively if you're a good fighter and don't mind a little challenge you could settle camp near both the desert and snow biomes, notably for hunting and Yucca fruits.

Edit : Another fun thing to do early game :

If you find vitamins and are pretty low on hunger/thirst, pop them out and enjoy your risk free stockpile of old sandwiches and river/lake water.