Pessimistic views on this game

[sourtizm TTV]

7 days to die came out in 2013 and there are still people complaining that it's not fully out yet. And to be fair I understand that 10 years is a long time. However 7 days to die is made by an indie team, not by triple A developers. Developers have lives outside of their games and I feel like in general we should feel lucky that an indie game like this got as big as it is period. People are saying their disappointing and feel like this is the worst update ever. If you think that, no one is keeping you here. No one has a gun to your head and is forcing you to play 7 days to die (Probably). And if you don't like the new update, just go back to an older one, yes you can do that. I just feel like maybe we should be happy this game is where it is and is finally out of alpha instead of complaining and moping.

Edit: I'm not saying your opinion is wrong, everyone is entitled to their opinion, especially when they pay for something. I'm simply giving my opinion on a different opinion. It's 'pinion-ception. Another thing I wanted to add is that a lot of people are complaining about the state of the game and features they don't like. However you have the tools to go back to older alphas and also to mod the game to make it to your preference. Don't like that dew collectors make heat? Get rid of it. Want shotguns to shoot super fast? Do it. However I also understand a lot of people may not know how to edit xml or don't have the time for it. And to that I say your opinion is still completely valid.

[Wampejawed]

at the end of the day they have a job to do and have failed to do so, family/lives/food whatever you wanna try to defend them with LOL

[FuriousWitchHamster]

The few prevailing issues some people have with 7DTD and the developers are as so...

1. They associate the amount of money TFP has made in the 10 years with that of how much effort is really being put into the game's development. They think hiring more programmers mean the development will be faster. TFP has made about $192 million in gross sales over a period of 10 years through Steam.

2. Some people are very emotionally invested into certain builds of the game. So despite the Early Access label and its official definition, players do not expect much to change in terms of direction. TFP has changed the game a lot over the years. When TFP makes a drastic change that wipes out the version favourite of those players, then to them, TFP has made a big mistake. Different people, different strokes.

3. Some people have their favourite set of mods. They expect the game to be compatible with those mods forever. So when TFP updates their game, those players expect TFP adhere to the modder's mods, when it should actually be the other way around.

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This is what I have learned over the years.....

People who hate on 7DTD or any other game, don't hate the game because they are trolls. They hate the game because they once loved the game. If the game they used to love have changed enough, then it's no longer the same game they fell in love with.

So while it's easy to tell them to stop being such ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, actually, that's not the right way to go about any of this. The right way is to stand with each other, no matter whether you disagree or agree, and help make the game something everyone from every generation of the game can still enjoy. If this means mods is the way to go, then so be it.

At 1.0, everyone who has played 7DTD since 10 years ago, should be able to toggle functions and mechanics on/off based on what 7DTD had been and has become, to help suit players' needs, instead of just brushing away the criticism of those players.

I like A22, except the magazines, but my personal feelings shouldn't diminish the feelings of other people who prefer A17, or A10, or whatever...

[sourtizm TTV]

Originally posted by Wampejawed:

at the end of the day they have a job to do and have failed to do so, family/lives/food whatever you wanna try to defend them with LOL

You act like they serve you and are a company made to serve you. 7 days to die was made for fun. It's like saying that me taking 12 months to write a song is failing to do my job as a musician even though it doesn't even really affect you. Like how unhappy are you that you complain about this kind of thing? You are literally de-humanizing the dev team by disregarding that they also have lives.

[MoistGamer]

If we were all just mushroom people we'd get along.

[sourtizm TTV]

Originally posted by MoistGamer:

If we were all just mushroom people we'd get along.

U right, I too wish I was a fungus

[JimmyIowa]

I got my money's worth of fun somewhere mid 2017. Since then it's all been gravy.

Complaints about how horrible the game is and how incompetent the devs are, coming from accounts with 500+ hours in a game, are quite silly. That's like getting 250,000 miles out of a car and still stamping your feet that the cupholder didn't fit your favorite coffee mug.

[sourtizm TTV]

Originally posted by FuriousWitchHamster:

The few prevailing issues some people have with 7DTD and the developers are as so...

1. They associate the amount of money TFP has made in the 10 years with that of how much effort is really being put into the game's development. They think hiring more programmers mean the development will be faster. TFP has made about $192 million in gross sales over a period of 10 years through Steam.

2. Some people are very emotionally invested into certain builds of the game. So despite the Early Access label and its official definition, players do not expect much to change in terms of direction. TFP has changed the game a lot over the years. When TFP makes a drastic change that wipes out the version favourite of those players, then to them, TFP has made a big mistake. Different people, different strokes.

3. Some people have their favourite set of mods. They expect the game to be compatible with those mods forever. So when TFP updates their game, those players expect TFP adhere to the modder's mods, when it should actually be the other way around.

≽^•⩊•^≼

This is what I have learned over the years.....

People who hate on 7DTD or any other game, don't hate the game because they are trolls. They hate the game because they once loved the game. If the game they used to love have changed enough, then it's no longer the same game they fell in love with.

So while it's easy to tell them to stop being such ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, actually, that's not the right way to go about any of this. The right way is to stand with each other, no matter whether you disagree or agree, and help make the game something everyone from every generation of the game can still enjoy. If this means mods is the way to go, then so be it.

At 1.0, everyone who has played 7DTD since 10 years ago, should be able to toggle functions and mechanics on/off based on what 7DTD had been and has become, to help suit players' needs, instead of just brushing away the criticism of those players.

I like A22, except the magazines, but my personal feelings shouldn't diminish the feelings of other people who prefer A17, or A10, or whatever...

I can't say I don't agree with this. I think it's so easy to get political with this kind of thing even when defending TFP. At the end of the day people should be able to have their opinions.

[onanonehand8]

Originally posted by FuriousWitchHamster:

People who hate on 7DTD or any other game, don't hate the game because they are trolls. They hate the game because they once loved the game. If the game they used to love have changed enough, then it's no longer the same game they fell in love with.

Yeah, people never complained about the game of olden times. It's only now that the game has become a less cherished thing, guilded with tarnish and foolish changes only a fanboi could find appealing.

For gawd's sake don't ever make a friend with curiosity, or have children. You will be in for a world of angst.

[FuriousWitchHamster]

Originally posted by Danidripxy TTV:

I can't say I don't agree with this. I think it's so easy to get political with this kind of thing even when defending TFP. At the end of the day people should be able to have their opinions.

I understand that often times, those players, like the ones you previously responded to, can really test your patience and tolerance, but I tend to try to look at their words less like a personal attack on you. Instead, I see their words more like their way of grieving over something that has been lost, taken out on people like you and even myself sometimes, as a scapegoat. They can't directly tell TFP to hurry up or change it back, but they can certainly argue to hell and back with everyone else.

It's a never ending cycle of vicious emotions perpetuated by the daily happenings of each of our lives.

One of my friends was in the army, but loved arguing with strangers on the internet about everything. He told us that it's stupid, but he does so to keep his mind busy and fingers busy. Working a 9-5 job is just drone work, but being in the army, you're sometimes in danger and you're on high alert. So to dial that back down, to 'fit in' again so to speak, he argues with people on the internet. We told him to stop doing that and just hang out with us instead! But he insists to burden strangers with BS than to burden his friends with his BS...

Anyway, sorry for that last bit. Just sharing with you some extra perspective. I just want you to know that I hope you didn't think I was trying to dismiss your words in your original post. I think your opinion is fine! You too is annoyed with how some people express themselves. You have legitimate feelings about everything.

[FuriousWitchHamster]

Originally posted by onanonehand8:

Originally posted by FuriousWitchHamster:

People who hate on 7DTD or any other game, don't hate the game because they are trolls. They hate the game because they once loved the game. If the game they used to love have changed enough, then it's no longer the same game they fell in love with.

Yeah, people never complained about the game of olden times. It's only now that the game has become a less cherished thing, guilded with tarnish and foolish changes only a fanboi could find appealing.

For gawd's sake don't ever make a friend with curiosity, or have children. You will be in for a world of angst.

o_o

I don't understand with what you're saying has any relevance to what you quoted me saying.

[Wampejawed]

hey i got a family leave me alone LOL what a troll

[onanonehand8]

Originally posted by FuriousWitchHamster:

Originally posted by onanonehand8:

Yeah, people never complained about the game of olden times. It's only now that the game has become a less cherished thing, guilded with tarnish and foolish changes only a fanboi could find appealing.

For gawd's sake don't ever make a friend with curiosity, or have children. You will be in for a world of angst.

o_o

I don't understand with what you're saying has any relevance to what you quoted me saying.

Well, you opined that a thing once loved, changed and is now not loved.

this game has had changes, perhaps it is too complicated.

[Tpunk]

My complaint is its been in alpha for 10 years while grossly ignoring any feedback thats not overtly positive. People have 500+ hours not cause the game is objectively good. The game has innumerous flaws and TFP make changes. Based purely off whims and ignore anything said thats not overtly positive. A large portion of the community HATE the changes and dev style. But why do we stick around then? Potential, the game has potential. In 10 years these devs have not realized that potential. The game is serviceable enough to play. But its not great. But being serviceable is enough to keep people playing. While they wait to see if maybe just maybe. ♥♥♥♥ finally gets fixed. Which it wont lets be real here. These devs take creature comfort in things like sitting in alpha. A full release means expectations now fall on them. They can't change shiz willy nilly their not an early access game anymore. They have a responsibility to provide a complete product. We are supposed to get 1.0 stable tomorrow according to the dev diary. My money is on a delay. They finally left alpha now its time to sit in beta for a few years.

[onanonehand8]

Originally posted by Tpunk:

My complaint is its been in alpha for 10 years while grossly ignoring any feedback thats not overtly positive. People have 500+ hours not cause the game is objectively good. The game has innumerous flaws and TFP make changes. Based purely off whims and ignore anything said thats not overtly positive. A large portion of the community HATE the changes and dev style. But why do we stick around then? Potential, the game has potential. In 10 years these devs have not realized that potential. The game is serviceable enough to play. But its not great. But being serviceable is enough to keep people playing. While they wait to see if maybe just maybe. ♥♥♥♥ finally gets fixed. Which it wont lets be real here. These devs take creature comfort in things like sitting in alpha. A full release means expectations now fall on them. They can't change shiz willy nilly their not an early access game anymore. They have a responsibility to provide a complete product. We are supposed to get 1.0 stable tomorrow according to the dev diary. My money is on a delay. They finally left alpha now its time to sit in beta for a few years.

Well, I suppose 500+ hours with the belief it will certainly be exactly what it isn't, is some kind of potential.

10 years of developer progression shows a potential that some might not like.

Flaws to some are easily overlooked by others. I mean the Mona Lisa is considered by some to be plain and a work of beauty by others, who am I to say?

Tomorrow or your money, either way tomorrow is less than a day away. There is a song there, I am sure.

[DerFinneAT]

Originally posted by Danidripxy TTV:

7 days to die was made for fun.

No.
TFP pitched a vision on Kickstarter, and collected money to try make this become true from people who considered the pitch worth pursuing.
Later on they sold early access to this game on this very platform we are having this discussion right now.

Both steps are business.

If you want to make a project for fun, you can do that.
Modder to that for example (like many TFP staff was prior)
If you start asking money for a vision, you are doing business.

Regardless of the time they took so far, I am very much pro TFP.

But acting, as if their business is none, and everything here is just a hobby project is way bit off.

If nothing else, failing on delivering the pitched things in a certain quality will at least taint their standing for future projects.