the crucible crafting recipe is way too late game

[Darth Zed]

you need MAX workstation just to make a crucible.

for reference, my game is currently at day 16, i have basically unlocked steel items in all categories. except for the weapon types im not specced into as i am not getting those mags as often.

and yet im barely 2/3rds of the way to unlocking the crucible.

granted, i just bought one from a trader ages ago. but it just seems off that crafting this item is locked until basically fully end game despite steel being needed pretty early on.


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[seven]

Originally posted by Nerevar:

Originally posted by seven:

It's the cop challenge. I had purchased a crucible and then maxed out workstations and crafted another before I got 500 cops. I also think the crucible recipe comes too late. There are a number of things that come too late in the game. Like the gyro, by the time I get that far I'm getting bored of the playthrough.

The trap tech tree is the same, shotgun turret at 50 and then nothing until the smg turret at 75.

you can get a gyro and 75 magazines by day 13 dude. i wouldnd call day 13 far into a playtrough tbh.

and i disagree about vehicles comeing too late. they are actually fine aside the 4x4 which is just useless as its too much affected by objects on the road and terrian.

Well, I'll agree with you about the 4x4. I crafted the new one to just try it, but it's likely the last one I do. Trying to drive through a town or city is just frustrating. I always skip the truck since they updated how city streets are done.

[F.D.Roosevelt]

I found that I could basically circumvent the need for any recipe past the cement mixer by simply buying the chem stations and crucibles. I bought the crucible WAY before I was even able to use any steel recipes. Money, despite being less available then before, is still VERY available. In fact, wrenching down cars can net you between 500 to 1000 dukes with a point or two into the Salvage Operations perk. I was able to fund most of my purchases with that.

It allowed me to pour points into combat perks. Actually, the Salvage Operations perk is part of why I think the perception tree is underrated.

Spears are incredibly strong once you get the 7 skill books. Piercing power attacks with full stamina on kill with the reach? I think its a contender for best melee weapon. Its even viable for up to day 28 hordes if its in the forest biome.

Pistols are meh, but the Desert Vulture is top tier : again, the 7 book bonus? all .44 bullets PIERCE, so its end-game viable and it has a lot of stopping power. .44 bullet are so damn plentiful and are some of the best bang for your buck, so to speak.

[F.D.Roosevelt]

Originally posted by seven:

Originally posted by Nerevar:

they are actually fine aside the 4x4 which is just useless as its too much affected by objects on the road and terrian.

Well, I'll agree with you about the 4x4. I crafted the new one to just try it, but it's likely the last one I do. Trying to drive through a town or city is just frustrating. I always skip the truck since they updated how city streets are done.

I found that I would use both my bike and 4x4 interchangeably. I'd use the 4x4 when POI clearing in the wasteland (so much damn loot!) and use my bike whenever I was just going from point A to B, such as mining, getting an airdrop, checking trader inventories, etc..

I feel like the 4x4 and Gyro should both be faster to make them more interesting.

Actually, the best fix for this is making the vehicle perks increase inventory, speed, and durability of vehicles rather than...cheaper recipes...and more effective repair kits...

[Purr]

Originally posted by F.D.Roosevelt:

Originally posted by seven:

Well, I'll agree with you about the 4x4. I crafted the new one to just try it, but it's likely the last one I do. Trying to drive through a town or city is just frustrating. I always skip the truck since they updated how city streets are done.

I found that I would use both my bike and 4x4 interchangeably. I'd use the 4x4 when POI clearing in the wasteland (so much damn loot!) and use my bike whenever I was just going from point A to B, such as mining, getting an airdrop, checking trader inventories, etc..

I feel like the 4x4 and Gyro should both be faster to make them more interesting.

Actually, the best fix for this is making the vehicle perks increase inventory, speed, and durability of vehicles rather than...cheaper recipes...and more effective repair kits...

i would love this i love the motorcycle but im such a loot goblin i rock the 4x4 and use a L4 drone i got with cargo mods i found in some poi loot cuz LOOT EVERYTHING :D ill prob use the gyro for long distances and then rock the 4x4 once im there and figure out the inventory diff at some point

[Nimbull]

I just hit up every library, mailbox, ruined forge, ruined mixer, etc and racked it up at a decent clip in my single player around 30-35 days which getting other skills up was about the time I needed it to craft better stuff with steel.

[onanonehand8]

IzPrebuilt just did a video, he got a gyro at level 119. It's a lot in how you spec and loot.

[CatSlave]

I could not agree with this more. No one on my private server made a motorcycle because by the time you have steel forging unlocked you have long since unlocked 4x4. This is poorly balanced.

[JimmyIowa]

Originally posted by Lesh-9:

Go into any town or city and start wrenching street lights. You'll be swimming in steel in no time.

And gas pumps. They give 6 ~ 9 steel each and a gas station often has 4 or 6 of them.

[JimmyIowa]

Originally posted by Nerevar:

you can get a gyro and 75 magazines by day 13 dude. i wouldnd call day 13 far into a playtrough tbh.

Yeah, I didn't have one at day 13, but with 2 points into both workstations and grease monkey I crafted crucible and gyro around day 40-50. Which is plenty soon enough.

Could have bought the crucible sooner, but I didn't have a need for that much steel until I could craft the gyro anyway.

Any faster and we are back to the days of being at ultimate endgame with solid steel bases and gear by day 30. And most people don't want that.

[Darth Zed]

Originally posted by Raithon:

Originally posted by Darth Zed:

you need MAX workstation just to make a crucible.

for reference, my game is currently at day 16, i have basically unlocked steel items in all categories. except for the weapon types im not specced into as i am not getting those mags as often.

and yet im barely 2/3rds of the way to unlocking the crucible.

granted, i just bought one from a trader ages ago. but it just seems off that crafting this item is locked until basically fully end game despite steel being needed pretty early on.

So you are basically complaining that you have to reach end-game level crafting to aquire the ability to craft an end-game level item.

Yeah, that makes lots of sense. You should totally be expected to get end-game equipment when you are still just a nooblet.

bro i had full tier 6 steel armor, weapons, and tools LONG BEFORE i had the crafting recipe for a crucible. in fact, i STILL DONT have that recipe. im at 72/75 workstation on day 18 on warrior difficulty in the 1.0 beta. (i do have increased loot abundance though, so wouldnt be quite this far without that. but ive had stuff like the crossbow and smg since before day 14 on my second blood moon)

yet im rocking tier 6 steel tools, with the ability to make tier 6 motor tools if i want.
tier 6 desert vulture, compound crossbow, and smg.
tier 6 armor set.
impact driver and nail gun.
and like 300 additional steel ingots.

ALL OF THAT and the games still like "yeah...but youre still not quite far enough to unlock steel crafting yet. little too advanced"

if you cant comprehend the weird balancing issue with that, then im sorry, theres no hope for you.

[Undefined]

It sure would be nice if there were something or someone who would sell you a crucible and make up for the crappy balance and RnG skills in this game.

[Shazbar]

I'm picking up what you're putting down. I found it odd that there's such a large gap before the crucible unlocks. I ended up going hard into completing trader missions and scavenging everything including the kitchen sink for Dukes. I ended up buying it from trader Bob around Day 8.

[Darth Zed]

Originally posted by Undefined:

It sure would be nice if there were something or someone who would sell you a crucible and make up for the crappy balance and RnG skills in this game.

as stated in the OP i bought on very early on.

im just calling out a weird balancing issue.

yeah, you can buy it. but that doesnt mean it isnt stupid that you unlock the crafting recipe days if not weeks (depending on build) after it would be needed.

thats like needing to get all the way to max level in pistol crafting just to unlock the tier 6 pipe pistol. you know, long after you have a tier 6 regular pistol, smg, .44, and desert vulture.

by the time you unlock crafting a crucible, youre already at a point where you can say "huh, oh yeah forgot i couldnt craft that...." then dive into your pool literally filled with steel ingots.

[JimmyIowa]

Originally posted by Undefined:

It sure would be nice if there were something or someone who would sell you a crucible and make up for the crappy balance and RnG skills in this game.

A few people, including me, have stated that crucibles are offered for sale long before we could craft them.

btw - Didn't you vow to play only A21?