this is Alpha 22 not version 1.0

[George Droyd MK77]

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[wordwaster]

ugh. really?

I was already to start playing it on saturday because I thought it was finally I.o. But I guess I read it wrong.

oh well.

[wordwaster]

kidding aside, what do you hope to accomplish with this post? It's pretty low effort. Maybe take some time to write up a clear and concise explanation of your concerns. I'm sure the fun people will take your input and use it to work to improve the game experience for all of us.

[JtDarth]

Originally posted by wordwaster:

ugh. really?

I was already to start playing it on saturday because I thought it was finally I.o. But I guess I read it wrong.

oh well.

TFP actively chose to ignore normal versioning standards to claim it was '1.0' all while quietly acknowledging that the game is still missing intended features and is in fact still alpha. It's ridiculous, and should be getting WAY more pushback than it is, especially since the reason they even tried to pull that stuff is to shut up the people pointing out how long the game has been in early access and how little progress has been made lately.

[Dr.Chazzzzz]

Its 1.0 so they can get that sweet console moneys

[Legion]

You forgot going 1.0 to raise the prices as well to fund their new 7 Days to Die game, with its core feature being one that was supposed to be in this 7 Days to Die. Splitting features to sell off for a spin off.

Then we have double dipping against console users.

Then we have stripped features for console players.

I've said it several times that this is not a 1.0 release, and TFP stopped giving a ♥♥♥♥ about us a long time ago.

[Jerran]

changes nothing who cares

[George Droyd MK77]

Originally posted by wordwaster:

kidding aside, what do you hope to accomplish with this post? It's pretty low effort. Maybe take some time to write up a clear and concise explanation of your concerns. I'm sure the fun people will take your input and use it to work to improve the game experience for all of us.

ive done that before in these forums, im disapointed that the game is not getting the polishing it needs, like fixing water physics and gunplay and animation jank and allso hitregistration. i wouldnt really care if they wouldnt call this 1.0, to me this kind of sounds like they might soon lower their goals as to what polished means and what does and what doesnt need fixing.

It would be a real shame if the current gunplay would be the same in the final version and if they just add some kind of bandaid fix to water like removing the ability to take and place waterbuckets and just make water spread infinitly so they dont need actual physics for it.

i could totally see them do that, just make rivers and oceans spread infinitly if you dig near it and dont let the player place water. It fits the common theme that TFP has of removing features that are too hard to fix.

[Serious]

Hehe ok I'll bite 😉
1. With a statement like this you should go a bit into the details or if you already did that in another post, why do you start a second thread about the same topic?
2. Do you know what EA means, you buy a game at discount price to fund the development, but as downside you have NO guarantee at all that it will be ever finished or in which direction the development will go, this includes both quality and quantity.
3. It's not the fan or customer who decides when something is finished, it's on the dev, creator, artist to decide this.
It's your duty to decide if the quality and content is worth the price. if not you have multiple options like waiting for sale or ignoring.

[Cursed Hawkins]

Someone DIDN'T read the dates from a news post!
7 Days to Die 1.0: Important Dates
Here is the current schedule. Note some dates are still subject to change.
June 21st - 7 Days to Die 1.0 Experimental - Streamer Weekend Steam
June 24th - 7 Days to Die 1.0 Experimental - Public Experimental Steam
June 28th (Tentative Date) - Console Edition 1.0 - Wishlisting PS5 & Xbox Series X/S
July 15th (Tentative Date) - Delisting the Legacy Console Game from digital stores
July 25th - 7 Days to Die 1.0 Official Stable - Steam and Microsoft PC
July 25th (Tentative Date) - Console Edition 1.0 - PS5 and Xbox Series X/S launch including a 25% Discount on the purchase of the new product for Legacy Digital owners of the PS4 and Xbox One Telltale Edition. (Discount Subject to Console Policies)
It's July 3RD not July 25TH so the 1.0 is in EXPERIMENTAL not PUBLIC they even made that clear in the posts saying 1.0 was in EXPERIMENTAL so everyone that's waiting for the PUBLIC version will have to wait until July 25th!

[Zalzany]

Originally posted by SNUFFLES:

It's "1.0" so they can jump on the DLC cash machine. Wake up kids. The game is just as crap as it's always been. ZERO OPTIMIZATION. AS IN NONE AT ALL.

Wake up fanboy you can do DLC before 1.0 lol there is no rule saying they can't. And optimization? The ♥♥♥♥? The game generates new mapes a million times faster then last time I played and you can play this on a pc from like 2012 how bad is your pc that you can't run this? What is it from like 2008? I mean ♥♥♥♥ I got army in 2007 is that last time you bought a PC?

You guys make me laugh just because its old don't mean you can use a 20 year old pc to play it lol

[Tahnval]

Originally posted by Cursed Hawkins:

Someone DIDN'T read the dates from a news post! [..]

You're dismissing someone's post by claiming they haven't read something important, but that something is irrelevant to the post.

"1.0" is an alpha. It's A22. It makes no difference in that context whether the version of A22/1.0 being referred to is the current experimental build or the stable build. It's the same version (A22). The stable build of A22/1.0 won't be substantially different to the experimental build. It's a matter of bugfixing and some minor tweaking of some of the details of some things (e.g. the challenges that specified one tool only to be used on one thing only).

I know "1.0" is an alpha. It's A22. The devs know it too, which is why they put out the "explanation" stating that 1.0 doesn't mean 1.0 any more at all in the game industry, that it's not just them. It's also why "1.0" is far from complete. It's missing core features. Because it's an alpha.

Relabelling A22 to "1.0" was a business decision. The potential reasons for that decision could be debated, but they're not relevant to the fact that "1.0" is an alpha.

What could also be debated is how much it matters.

It doesn't matter directly to me. I bought 7DTD in Steam's Early Access program, so I bought an earlier alpha with no guarantees of anything. I knew what I was buying. I understand what Steam's EA program is.

But it might matter to some people who buy an alpha version of a game thinking that it's a complete version of a game because it's labelled as a complete version of a game.

[Nerevar]

i am calling it a22. no matter what some marketing ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ say.

[MoistGamer]

For 9 years: "you kids are idiots it goes alpha then beta THEN the remaining features are added, then testing then gold"
For the last 2 months: "It makes no difference what they call it, it can be 1.0 and still not have the features"
At the same time during the last 2 month span "we believe it is 1.0 and we are increasing the price because we feel its worth it"

Tell me why you can trust or believe anything the company representatives and/or the unpaid mods have to say (in regards to these subject matters). Tell me.

Tell me this is about ANYTHING other than wanting an influx of cash NOW because they needed it. Put it on paper so we can hold you back a grade or a career level. Cuz for YEARS those clowns PUT YOU IN YOUR PLACE like a child when they explained how alpha and beta works. Now SUDDENLY its magically OK because Richard said so in his avant garde film presentation "Hostage Video 2024".

Estimated Delivery May 2014. Let me know when the printed map is ready.

Please. I visit this forum like once a week now (youre welcome) so save the 6 paragraph response where you somehow try and twist these realities harder than the worst nip twist youve ever had. Save it, I'm all set.

[Yarblatt]

Y'all need to experience the development cycle of Space Engineers (and Medieval Engineers) to truly understand what development purgatory and developer dishonesty really is. Seriously, this is nothing compared to that.

[Githyanki]

Originally posted by Nerevar:

i am calling it a22. no matter what some marketing ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ say.

Amen brother, and A22 is just as buggy/unfinished as any previous alpha. But with this version you get 20% more bugs, less features, lower frame rates, and a higher price tag then previous alpha versions. So lets slap a 1.0 on it and call it done like the AAA boys do.