Dead Game?

[Lord Sneak]

No matter what setting I play with all I see are servers with 0 players, occasionally I see a server with like 15 people but what am I doing wrong with the settings? It very obviouslysays theres like 20k people on at a time?

[NHLreturns]

Originally posted by ⛩️ BOT Mushin ⛩:

if you wanted a quick funeral you would fire a shot in a city but now, you can unload the 4th of july and hear nothing but its echo.

"in 7 days no one can hear you scream" - alien

[JiiPee]

I'm more surprised that people still play this piece of garbage of a game.

Me and my buddies have clocked in ~80 hours with this game over the decade, and the game still looks and plays like crap. There's barely been any development and polishing added to this game.

Don't get me wrong, the idea of this game is intriguing. But the game is still the same as it was back in 2015 or 2016 when we bought it, apart from few additions.
And when they announced that version 1.0 release we just laughed, because to us it looked like an obvious quick cash grab before the company moves to another thing.

I never take please from bad mouthing a video game, not even the AAA low-effort live service garbage that we tend to get these days. But you don't go from being in alpha stage for over a decade and then straight to version 1.0, without it being a blatant cash grab.

[Kalles Kaviar]

You can keep playing Counter-Strike and tell em its a dead game.
This game is not dead at all.
People playing on private games avoid cheaters and trolls, just becouse to have a fun time and progress togheter.
You can play your part of the game how you want to playing it but mostly of us just enjoy it togheter with friends.

[⛩️ BOT Mushin ⛩]

Originally posted by Tahnval:

Originally posted by ⛩️ BOT Mushin ⛩:

That's not a correct analogy.. a correct one would be buying a hammer but when you take it home it's just the handle, just a stick in a box and that's what this game has become.

It is an appropriate analogy. You were complaining that 7DTD isn't working well as an open server multiplayer game with either many servers, many players per server or both. It isn't designed as such and it isn't sold as such and it has never been such.

You're complaining that a hammer is not a good screwdriver.

You're fried, the context of that sentence is "design choices" which has turned this into the gutted version of what it once was (not just the server browser).. an open world, zombie-survival, crafting game.

You bought the hammer and at checkout they removed the handle, you know what you were buying but now you're asking yourself.. this came with a handle, right?

Then you wake up and realize, It was a scam all along.

[Real_Hamood]

nope

[Somnion]

Originally posted by ⛩️ BOT Mushin ⛩:

Originally posted by Tahnval:

It is an appropriate analogy. You were complaining that 7DTD isn't working well as an open server multiplayer game with either many servers, many players per server or both. It isn't designed as such and it isn't sold as such and it has never been such.

You're complaining that a hammer is not a good screwdriver.

You're fried, the context of that sentence is "design choices" which has turned this into the gutted version of what it once was (not just the server browser).. an open world, zombie-survival, crafting game.

You bought the hammer and at checkout they removed the handle, you know what you were buying but now you realize.. this came with a handle, right?

Then you wake up and realize, It was a scam all along.

How is this a gutted version of older alphas? You mean when most the stuff that exists didn't exist? How do you gamers wrangle your own brains into thinking like this?

It's still very open world, there's zombies, there's survival, and there's crafting. I don't know what fantasy yall are looking at in your minds eye when you think of older alpha versions.

Here's a better analogy for you: You walk up to a house being constructed. On the outside you see a sign "Early Access contracts available" Oh boy what could this mean?

You go into the side trailer and the boss says "Hey you can pay us a Big Mac™ to live here while we construct this building, and you can live here all you want when it's done. The drawback is that there's no time limit so we may be constructing for ages, and we can't promise much of anything"

You sit there and go "Hmm that sounds good enough for me, here's my signature and Big Mac™. Then you walk out, sit on a plastic chair in the middle of the 'living room' which only has 2 walls and no roof. "UGH I CAN'T BELIEVE THIS, YOU GUYS ARE SCAMMERS AND THIEVES" No, it isn't a scam. What kind of scam tells you it's a scam before you're scammed? Then you go and purposely fall for the scam? Get a grip.

[Somnion]

Originally posted by JiiPee:

I'm more surprised that people still play this piece of garbage of a game.

Me and my buddies have clocked in ~80 hours with this game over the decade, and the game still looks and plays like crap. There's barely been any development and polishing added to this game.

Don't get me wrong, the idea of this game is intriguing. But the game is still the same as it was back in 2015 or 2016 when we bought it, apart from few additions.
And when they announced that version 1.0 release we just laughed, because to us it looked like an obvious quick cash grab before the company moves to another thing.

I never take please from bad mouthing a video game, not even the AAA low-effort live service garbage that we tend to get these days. But you don't go from being in alpha stage for over a decade and then straight to version 1.0, without it being a blatant cash grab.

My opinion couldn't be more opposite from yours. If you really think this game is garbage, then please enlighten me on what you think a good game is/should be.

"There's barely been any development and polishing added to this game." Couldn't be more wrong. Who are you kidding with this statement?

Still the same since 2015? But... but... i thought they changed SO MUCH and removed SO MUCH and now the game is a gutted shell of its former self... right? Bologna.

1.0 after 10 years of sales is a cash grab? Do you have any idea what a cash grab even looks like? You admit to being aware of the AAA BS floating around and still think 1.0 is a cash grab?

Some gamers are beyond help.

[Capt. W. Schwartz]

Originally posted by JiiPee:

blatant cash grab

You want an example of an actual blatant cash grab?
Diablo 4 coming to Steam a few months after launch, instead of at launch, that was a blatant cash grab.
Blizz wasn't targeting new players with the Steam release, they knew hundreds of thousands of people would re-purchase just to have their games in one place. If just 2% re-purchased (over 65,000,000 copies sold at launch) that's around 1.3 million re-buys at the discounted price of $45, for a cash grab of $58 million.

[SylenThunder]

Originally posted by Capt. Q. Schwartz:

Originally posted by JiiPee:

blatant cash grab

You want an example of an actual blatant cash grab?
Diablo 4 coming to Steam a few months after launch, instead of at launch, that was a blatant cash grab.
Blizz wasn't targeting new players with the Steam release, they knew hundreds of thousands of people would re-purchase just to have their games in one place. If just 2% re-purchased (over 65,000,000 copies sold at launch) that's around 1.3 million re-buys at the discounted price of $45, for a cash grab of $58 million.

Tactics like this are exactly why I don't have Diablo 3 or 4. Even if they become heavily discounted, I am not ever to likely purchase them. No matter how much I loved playing the originals.

[Roninman]

Originally posted by sneaker01:

No matter what setting I play with all I see are servers with 0 players, occasionally I see a server with like 15 people but what am I doing wrong with the settings? It very obviouslysays theres like 20k people on at a time?

You wont play this game hardly with randoms, private with friends is way to go

[Tahnval]

Originally posted by ⛩️ BOT Mushin ⛩:

Originally posted by Tahnval:

It is an appropriate analogy. You were complaining that 7DTD isn't working well as an open server multiplayer game with either many servers, many players per server or both. It isn't designed as such and it isn't sold as such and it has never been such.

You're complaining that a hammer is not a good screwdriver.

You're fried, the context of that sentence is "design choices" which has turned this into the gutted version of what it once was (not just the server browser).. an open world, zombie-survival, crafting game.

You bought the hammer and at checkout they removed the handle, you know what you were buying but now you realize.. this came with a handle, right?

Then you wake up and realize, It was a scam all along.

What you wrote and I replied to is still there. Anyone who cares can read what you wrote and I replied to and see that it was very clearly about 7DTD as an online multiplayer game with many players on many public servers. Which is also the context of this whole thread, as is clearly shown by the OP.

You can try to shoehorn in your dislike of the changes the devs have made to the game, but that doesn't make those two different topics the same topic. No matter how much you say it does.

[Tahnval]

Originally posted by Czernobog:

[..]
1.0 after 10 years of sales is a cash grab? Do you have any idea what a cash grab even looks like? You admit to being aware of the AAA BS floating around and still think 1.0 is a cash grab? [..]

Relabelling an alpha version as a finished version (without making any changes to it at all - it's still the alpha version) in order to "justify" doubling the price and adding paid DLC is ethically dubious.

People who bought a previous alpha not being allowed access to the new alpha (relabelled as a finished version) unless they rebuy the game at the new much higher price is ethically dubious. Although I'm not sure which business is responsible for that situation. TFP? Telltale? Sony? Microsoft?

Cash grab? I think so. Nowhere near as bad as some games businesses do, but being much less bad doesn't make it good.

[seven]

Originally posted by Tahnval:

People who bought a previous alpha not being allowed access to the new alpha (relabelled as a finished version) unless they rebuy the game at the new much higher price is ethically dubious. Although I'm not sure which business is responsible for that situation. TFP? Telltale? Sony? Microsoft?

The only people labeling 1.0 as a "finished version" are you and other disgruntled players. Not TFP.

[Roland]

Originally posted by God Bless The Dead:

When 1.0 drops the servers will get a lot more active, for awhile anyway.

maybe...

Since A21 it has reportedly been tougher to get a server with 20+ people that runs sufficiently well. Technically, playing with more than 8 players is a modded state of the game and for whatever reason it hasn't worked well since A21 and I don't know whether making such mods work well again has been a priority for the developers. We will have to wait and see how well 1.0 plays with those 20+ player servers it isn't designed for.

[Tahnval]

Originally posted by seven:

Originally posted by Tahnval:

People who bought a previous alpha not being allowed access to the new alpha (relabelled as a finished version) unless they rebuy the game at the new much higher price is ethically dubious. Although I'm not sure which business is responsible for that situation. TFP? Telltale? Sony? Microsoft?

The only people labeling 1.0 as a "finished version" are you and other disgruntled players. Not TFP.

Oh yeah, they're also making up some stuff about it not meaning what it means. Which makes it clear that they know they're being deceptive.

1.0 is a finished version. That's what the numbering means. I know that. You know that. TFP know that. TFP's announcement about it even explicitly acknowledges that fact.

I sell you a loaf of bread, explicitly telling you that it's a loaf of bread, using the phrase "loaf of bread" which has an established meaning known to both of us and acknowledged by both of us.

What I provide to you is a bag of flour and a bottle of water.

If I tell you that's a loaf of bread because I've decided to change the meaning of the phrase "loaf of bread" to mean "most of the ingredients for a loaf of bread", does that make it so?