Random gen or pre gen map for 1.0

[Maddie K]

I have always done a random gen map for whenever I play this game, have yet to experience Navezgane. Should I do a random gen for all the new poi's and stuff or will they be updating Navezgane with them and i should finaly try the og map?

[Mithrandir]

It's a good question. IMO, until they update Navezgane, I consider a random gen map is preferable. Maybe they'll wait until they work on the story as I hear Navezgane will be where the story unfold.

[Crashtian]

Originally posted by Mithrandir:

It's a good question. IMO, until they update Navezgane, I consider a random gen map is preferable. Maybe they'll wait until they work on the story as I hear Navezgane will be where the story unfold.

That whole map needs an entire remake. It would genuinely be worth their time to pay their POI team to hand craft the entire map.

I'm not a fan of the intended route POI experience, but the people who design the POI's do fantastic work both in aesthetic design and visual story telling given their selection of props. (which is pretty big, but honestly not that diverse for visual story telling)

I agree that they will wait until the story for Navezgane, and feel like they will most likely release the map as "The story" while keeping random gen maps intended for "endless survival"

This allows them to release it as a hefty post release content update as well, which is generally good cred for a company.

[Zengrath]

I believe in some early looks at 1.0 only navezgame was an option but they got random gen in time for the 1.0 release. navezgame 100% gets updated and is often worth playing at least once, it offers a unique handcrafted balanced experience that random gen doesn't provide and usually contains most if not all the unique POI's. I personally am a huge fan of procedural generated maps giving a random experience each time i play but there is certainly an appeal to playing a hand made map too that has been painstakingly created by hand for both unique game play and atheistic that simply doesn't exist in randomgen no matter how good randomgen becomes.

this is kind of where i hope AI will eventually come in the future of gaming. while AI wouldn't still replace handmade maps and levels, AI could potentially do a far more interesting job at mimicking hand made content then procedural generation mimicking a human creating a massive world in a fraction of the time, but even then it likely will have it's issues and not be as good as a hand made one by professionals. I've seen videos of AI used in unreal engine and all where it's a mixture of AI generation creating a handmade like level and human intervention tweaking and manually editing certain areas and this could be best of both worlds, filling in the dead space with actual decent design that may otherwise be left desolate or unused if fully hand made. but obviously this is nothing that would ever be in 7 days to die but maybe something potential for future survival open world games.

[Helios]

The preview in the video on release notes regarding new map generating preview looked amzaing like you could choose were each biome would spawn like pipe forest in center or wastland ect i had to look at the generated files in a 21 to see the layout.

[onanonehand8]

I'll be doing random gen. Not a big fan of Navesgane.

[Alucard †]

Random gen imo.
From what i seen 1.0 random gen looks better than before.

And i am skeptical that they will update the Navezgane map.

[Nerevar]

do yourself the favor and do random gen. seriously. there is a TON of updates done to random gen :

can select difference biome layouts.

roads make bridges and tunnels trough mountains.

map generation is ALOT faster compared to a21.

plus pregen doesnt have all the new pois.

[Neme]

Random gen for me all the way,


But at some point I will probably start up a Nave for the hell of it to see whats changes since the last time i started one up

[Shurenai]

I would recommend doing Random Gen. Navezgane is a bit out of date atm, they'll likely be reworking it in the future when they're doing the story and bandit stuff as it's the lore-wise world in which that story takes place. Story will almost certainly still be available in RWG of course; but they can make a more curated experience in Navezgane.

So doing RWG now and doing Navezgane later once it's been revamped is the way to go, imo.

[Tass]

@Shurenai

can you already see which pregen maps are available ?

like

Navezgane
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PREGEN8k
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[Shurenai]

Originally posted by Tass:

@Shurenai

can you already see which pregen maps are available ?

like

Navezgane
PREGEN6k
PREGEN8k
PREGEN10k

I can. However, I'm under an NDA on that subject. You could go check the first vod from some of the streamers that partook in the streaming weekend though, I'm sure at least a few of them skimmed through the available pregens, you could see em that way. Or, yknow, like 12~ hours prolly till you have the version in your hands and can check for yourself.

[Tass]

ok too bad,
then wait like
thanks anyway

[Shurenai]

Originally posted by GodZilla:

Originally posted by Tass:

ok too bad,
then wait like
thanks anyway

Go random Gen.
But? it seems you can only sleep in a building/poi you have to build you base down to the last nail that you scrounge/loot.
watch a stream last night & the quest system will be a pain

You can take over an existing POI. You just have to place a bedroll & Land Claim in it. Yes, Land Claim has effects even in singleplayer. Having one in a POI takes it out of the list for available candidate for questing. Having an active bedroll in the location also prevents any existing quest from being initiated AT the location, in the event that a quest is mistakenly given due to a bug, or in multiplayer sitations where the quest was perhaps accepted before the bedroll/landclaim was placed.

[#deca.fade]

Originally posted by Shurenai:

I would recommend doing Random Gen. Navezgane is a bit out of date atm, they'll likely be reworking it in the future when they're doing the story and bandit stuff as it's the lore-wise world in which that story takes place. Story will almost certainly still be available in RWG of course; but they can make a more curated experience in Navezgane.

So doing RWG now and doing Navezgane later once it's been revamped is the way to go, imo.

Is the navezgane really that bad?
Sorry, new to the game, having doubts about which map to choose to explore.

[Shurenai]

Originally posted by #deca.fade:

Originally posted by Shurenai:

I would recommend doing Random Gen. Navezgane is a bit out of date atm, they'll likely be reworking it in the future when they're doing the story and bandit stuff as it's the lore-wise world in which that story takes place. Story will almost certainly still be available in RWG of course; but they can make a more curated experience in Navezgane.

So doing RWG now and doing Navezgane later once it's been revamped is the way to go, imo.

Is the navezgane really that bad?
Sorry, new to the game, having doubts about which map to choose to explore.

It's not so much that it's 'bad', Just that it's much more small-town-y and there's a lot of empty space between interesting things, and the traders aren't placed right by the town areas. RWG is more packed and less down-time-y. Also due to the lower POI density it doesnt have many of the top end POIs.

Navezgane is a decent world for a first timer, Because it's the same world every time, you can really navigate just by looking at the world around you, and it's fully playable. Plus you can look up a map of navezgane online to see the whole thing if you want to.

On the whole, I'd still suggest doing RWG > Navezgane. Navezgane needs a bit more love that it hasn't gotten while the devs have focused on getting RWG in a good place.