ADD A NORMAL HELICOPTER

[DieForIsrael]

i cant stand the gyrocopter all i want is a small helicopter, and maybe a slightly larger one to transport friends in

[Myrkana]

How woudl you make it not overpowered? ANd also how would we put together a helicopter with spit and bubblegum?

[Doctor3D]

Be cool if they have time..why not...make the Gyro Tier 1 flying tier and then add a couple extra flying mechanics...we can already FLY..so no harm at all adding a couple extra birds to the wind.

[Shurenai]

Originally posted by Myrkana:

How woudl you make it not overpowered? ANd also how would we put together a helicopter with spit and bubblegum?

Kinda this. A gyrocopter is something people can, and have, built in their back yards out of scrap parts- It totally makes sense to be able to make one in a zombie apocalypse.

A gyrocopter solves a lot of problems by being what it is- It's actually more of a propeller plane than it is a helicopter. The blades function as ultra light weight wings due to the rotational speeds while the secondary propeller is used for maintaining speed and thus flight- There's a reason that if you lose your forward momentum in a gyrocopter you tend to plummet.. And also a reason that it handles and flies more like a plane.

A helicopter is a different beast altogether. Kinda like comparing a toy car to the real thing. Unlike a gyrocopter, the blades are essentially providing 100% of the lift- It has to in order to be able to hover or lift off from a standstill. The secondary rotor is used for turning and stabilization. Plus some other stuff.

A single user helicopter consists of 3000-10000+ individual parts and pieces. Even if you totally ignore the precision electronics needed for autohover or auto stabilization, it just requires a level of complexity not feasibly craftable by human hands- It would require precision machining.

-MAYBE- as something to buy from the trader; But certainly not craftable. The engine alone prohibits crafting of a helicopter by hand- There's no way a lawn mower or even car engine is gonna cut it for a heli.

[XXGlencamXX]

It be cool if they added MH-6 Little Bird or UH-60 Black Hawk to be only found at military bases but with a certain percentage and at least 1 base has to have it spawn in, and that you need to find parts or buy needed parts to get it up and running.

[Doctor3D]

For those naysayers - I'd hope - well I am - we are talking about finished, done, gold. When you have bandits with RPGs that can shoot you out of the sky..the future...the overall design...surely there's room for a couple more tiers...

[xsv]

more vehicles in general i say.

[IRuleAll]

Originally posted by Shurenai:

Originally posted by Myrkana:

How woudl you make it not overpowered? ANd also how would we put together a helicopter with spit and bubblegum?

Kinda this. A gyrocopter is something people can, and have, built in their back yards out of scrap parts- It totally makes sense to be able to make one in a zombie apocalypse.

A gyrocopter solves a lot of problems by being what it is- It's actually more of a propeller plane than it is a helicopter. The blades function as ultra light weight wings due to the rotational speeds while the secondary propeller is used for maintaining speed and thus flight- There's a reason that if you lose your forward momentum in a gyrocopter you tend to plummet.. And also a reason that it handles and flies more like a plane.

A helicopter is a different beast altogether. Kinda like comparing a toy car to the real thing. Unlike a gyrocopter, the blades are essentially providing 100% of the lift- It has to in order to be able to hover or lift off from a standstill. The secondary rotor is used for turning and stabilization. Plus some other stuff.

A single user helicopter consists of 3000-10000+ individual parts and pieces. Even if you totally ignore the precision electronics needed for autohover or auto stabilization, it just requires a level of complexity not feasibly craftable by human hands- It would require precision machining.

-MAYBE- as something to buy from the trader; But certainly not craftable. The engine alone prohibits crafting of a helicopter by hand- There's no way a lawn mower or even car engine is gonna cut it for a heli.

you act as if the motor cycle or the 4x4 or the gyro with the crap we have makes sense and is realistic. not a damn one of these things is realistic in anyway. let me see you build a 4x4 that looks like it came straight out of modern day car factory. you literally build the chasis out of forged steel ingots, duct tape, parts removed from any random electrical or mechanical thing and leather hide, and you think its realistic to produce the thing that we drive around in with that stuff,
using our basic ass forge and workbench. lets not sit here and act like its unfeasible to have a helicopter when we do some total nonsense BS like we do when it comes to crafting vehicles already.

[Doctor3D]

If you guys want bandits to be compettent...i'd hope a max leveled one could take down a gyrocopter while you flying over his base dropping pipe bombs....Surely...we could get a confident AI that could make some stinger type weapon on his max tier..just like we will be able to make drones..

[Shurenai]

Originally posted by IRuleAll:

you act as if the motor cycle or the 4x4 or the gyro with the crap we have makes sense and is realistic. not a damn one of these things is realistic in anyway. let me see you build a 4x4 that looks like it came straight out of modern day car factory. you literally build the chasis out of forged steel ingots, duct tape, parts removed from any random electrical or mechanical thing and leather hide, and you think its realistic to produce the thing that we drive around in with that stuff,
using our basic ass forge and workbench. lets not sit here and act like its unfeasible to have a helicopter when we do some total nonsense BS like we do when it comes to crafting vehicles already.

Visually? sure they don't make a lot of sense- By that token, basically nothing in the game makes sense. We make 100% visually identical tools that look exactly the same at Q1 as they do at Q6- And it always looks identical no matter how many times we craft it or use it.

But structurally and functionally? It's entirely possible to build a motorcycle or 4x4 out of scrap. The amount of required parts to do so is fairly small....You need wheels, a frame, a drive shaft, an engine, some method of stopping, and some method of steering.

What it looks like visually isn't what matters here- It's the fundamental functionality and capabilities of the vehicle itself that I'm talking about here.

[Hexerin]

Originally posted by IRuleAll:

you act as if the motor cycle or the 4x4 or the gyro with the crap we have makes sense and is realistic

Was just about to reply the same. I always love when people (Shurenai and SylenThunder are especially egregious about this, not that that's surprising) try to dismiss suggestions with such hilariously flawed arguments about "realism" in this arcade zombie shooter.

Then when someone makes a suggestion about making things more realistic, these same people flipflop their arguments and say that the game isn't meant to be realistic.

Like, pick a side. You can't have it both ways, you just out yourself as a hypocrite.

[Shurenai]

Originally posted by Hexerin:

Originally posted by IRuleAll:

you act as if the motor cycle or the 4x4 or the gyro with the crap we have makes sense and is realistic

Was just about to reply the same. I always love when people (Shurenai and SylenThunder are especially egregious about this, not that that's surprising) try to dismiss suggestions with such hilariously flawed arguments about "realism" in this arcade zombie shooter.

It's more the pseudo-realism set forth in the game. There is a point at which things begin breaking suspension of disbelief- Going too far is not a good thing for the base game to do. If you want to mod it in, be my guest- But the game world should make some kind of cohesive sense.

It's not about shooting down the suggestion- I suggested an alternative that I thought made sense, Buying a helicopter whole from the trader or something- But crafting one? Should we also craft nuclear reactors, and tanks? Crafting a helicopter just doesn't fit the pseudo-realism set forth by the gameworld. You have a workbench and a forge to work with... Some things just don't fit within the suspension of disbelief.

I get it. It's a zombie shooter; There's zombies, There's all kinds of unrealistic things- But it's still possible to go a step too far and totally ruin immersion and the capacity to believe in the gameworld as a real enough place that it doesn't put people off.

[Hexerin]

Originally posted by Shurenai:

suspension of disbelief ... immersion

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBKr8YLuVgs

[Shurenai]

Originally posted by Hexerin:

Originally posted by Shurenai:

suspension of disbelief ... immersion

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBKr8YLuVgs

Yes.. We suspend our disbelief of unrealistic things(Like say, Zombies.) to allow ourselves the capacity to immerse ourselves into a world filled with those unrealistic things (Like say, Zombies.) -- Obviously zombies do not exist; But that doesn't mean that i can't suspend my disbelief and immerse myself into a gameworld full of zombies.

Thats kinda the whole meaning of the suspension of disbelief. To intentionally/willingly avoid critical thought or logic when examining something surreal or unrealistic in order to 'believe' in it for the sake of enjoyment.

But when you suspend your disbelief in a high fantasy game, and suddenly a starship appears out of nowhere and darth vader comes down to recruit you, It throws you clear out of that suspension and into "What, that makes no sense in this world, why is that happening" territory.. It shatters the immersion you had woven around yourself.

..Glad you find that so laughable though, I guess?

[Kylr]

I agree with there be an acceptable level of suspension of disbelief in most of our modern entertainment sources, and that attack helicopters defy that, but whats this you say about Zombies not being real?

I for one, want a wing suit, and some sort of duct taped sling shop contraption wiley coyete style to launch my self around the map.

[IRuleAll]

Originally posted by Shurenai:

Originally posted by IRuleAll:

you act as if the motor cycle or the 4x4 or the gyro with the crap we have makes sense and is realistic. not a damn one of these things is realistic in anyway. let me see you build a 4x4 that looks like it came straight out of modern day car factory. you literally build the chasis out of forged steel ingots, duct tape, parts removed from any random electrical or mechanical thing and leather hide, and you think its realistic to produce the thing that we drive around in with that stuff,
using our basic ass forge and workbench. lets not sit here and act like its unfeasible to have a helicopter when we do some total nonsense BS like we do when it comes to crafting vehicles already.

Visually? sure they don't make a lot of sense- By that token, basically nothing in the game makes sense. We make 100% visually identical tools that look exactly the same at Q1 as they do at Q6- And it always looks identical no matter how many times we craft it or use it.

But structurally and functionally? It's entirely possible to build a motorcycle or 4x4 out of scrap. The amount of required parts to do so is fairly small....You need wheels, a frame, a drive shaft, an engine, some method of stopping, and some method of steering.

What it looks like visually isn't what matters here- It's the fundamental functionality and capabilities of the vehicle itself that I'm talking about here.

but it is fundamentally possible to build something similar to helicopters. have you ever heard of drones? stop acting like its some impossible thing that is just completely unrealistic compared to other aspects of this game. if i can walk over to a work bench with steel ingots, and my workbench consists of something that was built out of a hammer, wrench and a vice, and i can turn that into a 4x4 vehicle frame with some leather hide and some duct tape. then it is in no way any less realistic to use said parts to make something similar to a modern day drone that people can build in their garage right now.