PC players should have to purchase the game again too

[RoguelikeMike]

Attention moderators: I posted this here because its relevant to PC players and Console players, please don't move this to console only discussions as its pertinent to the entire 7 Days community. Thanks. Now I know you may move/lock/delete this anyway, but I just want you to know that amounts to censorship and is morally wrong, and you know it. Still, you have the power to do what you want so feel free to do the right or wrong thing as you wish. I specifically designed this post to reflect the whole community so that it could be posted to general for everyone to see, not moved to a side forum where nobody goes and sees. (66,096 threads vs 178).

We are all one community that plays the same game made by the same company. This game was ported to consoles. Now, years later console players are being asked to pay again to receive an update finally. I feel this is unfair because we were stuck in Alpha 15 for all that time. We never got Alpha 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, etc. PC players got all of these updates for free. But console finally gets one update and we have to buy the game again? Personally when I bought the game I thought the console versions would be getting updates too.

Before anyone posts the reasoning, everyone knows why, but that's an excuse at the end of the day. This is still the Fun Pimps product and they still have a responsibility.

Common reasons PC players are okay with Console players having to pay again:

-It costs money to make games
-Fun Pimps aren't to blame, someone else is, so its fair to charge people again
-The game is worth it, going from Alpha 15 to 1.0 is a "whole new game"

My reasoning:

-It costs money to make games, why are PC players exempt?
-Fun Pimps aren't to blame, someone else is, so its fair to charge people again, even if they play on a PC
-The game is worth it, most people still interested in this game have thousands of hours invested, so Fun Pimps should profit off PC players too.
-They obviously need money after the legal issues with Telltale and all these years of working on the game so we should all be ready and willing to do our part and support them financially. That is, unless we feel like we are special for some reason.

Just start calling updates DLC and charging everyone for them. I have a feeling very few people are going to agree with me here, because PC players simply expect to be immune to this type of thing, but ironically are totally cool with Console players having to pay again for the same game (though updated). Ideally I wouldn't want anyone to have to pay for updates, but if only one portion of the player base has to, just make everyone pay. If you're gonna milk your customers, at least be smart about it and milk them all. This is where people will cry about how unfair it would be for PC players to have to pay again... without realizing at all that's exactly what Console players feel like.

At first I was salty about having to buy the game again. But now I actually think its kind of a good thing for two very different versions of the game to exist (essentially Oblivion 7 Days vs. Fallout 4 7 Days progression systems). Actually, I'm still salty about having to pay again, thats BS, but hey, I'm recommending Fun Pimps charge PC players too. That way we can all do our part to fund this great game.

I know this won't happen, but would love to hear what people have to say. That is, if discussion like this is permitted at all...

I regret posting this. Just getting replies from people that didn't read anything but the title. Didn't understand my points, didn't care. Just endless "console sux hurr durr" comments. Cringe. I have 561 hours in this game on PC. I only play on console as a last resort now (gaming PC died a few years ago and rent and groceries doubled in price). My entire point of this post was for PC players to try to be empathetic towards people enjoying this game on console having to pay for it again. Instead people are just needlessly being jerks. Should have expected us much, but man, its SO TOXIC. If I could delete this post I would.

[Aoroi]

I have bought the game twice already as well, PC and console, and have to say you do make some good points. Especially about the different versions. If they make 1.0 the only option but offered the "Alphas" as a stand alone, I would actually buy it again on PC.

I love playing A16, it has its issues but I am stubborn and just enjoy the grind/building.

[Khissi]

Well, you know, I've been feeling pretty darned special for quite a few years, now. So special, in fact, that I've introduced everyone I know to 7 Days, bought it for many, many people if they couldn't afford it, I participate in all the alpha experimental runs, turning in bug reports, etc. I play with and without mods, solo, co-op, and in servers, and not once, in all that time, have I NOT felt special. This game is so perfectly designed to have something for everyone that all the myriad of friends and acquaintances, family and loved ones who play it, LOVE it and we're all very, very different gamers.

I would pay again... though, I seriously doubt that would happen. And, the only reason console owners are having to pay again is because Microsoft and Playstation are going to require it. The guys are trying to get them to let them offer it at a discount to previous owners, but... money talks to those folks.

From what I understand, the alpha versions that Steam currently has available will STILL be available, so you can play whichever 7 Days you like best on PC. That can't happen for the console folks because there is too much change from what Telltale made, to what is right now. Console players bought their game FROM TELLTALE, not from TFP, remember? The fact that TFP had to fight like hell and pay out the nose to get the rights to their OWN game back from those idiots should say everything needed.

The PC version of this game has always been right there, waiting for console players to come see, to play it as it's being upgraded. That was a choice, and over this many years, you can't say it was just too expensive to buy a computer.

Again, if they wanted, i would pay, but... I don't feel anything but privileged to have been given the gift of watching this game grow over the years. And, guess what... I started playing it on console, with my husband, and bought it on Steam when I fell in love with it. So, whatever... just let me play.

[Teresa]

PC players bought an early access game still in development. They received the version that was current at the time of their purchase with guaranteed free access to future versions up to and including the final version included in their purchase.

Console players bought a complete game from Telltale based on the a14 version of the pc game. They did not buy an early access game. Their game was not still in development. It was sold as a completed final version that may or may not receive any content updates in the future.

The reason PC players update to 1.0 with no additional charge is because 1.0 was included in their purchase price. Console players have already received the 1.0 they paid for in the Telltale complete gold game that was based on the a14 version of the pc game.

That is the difference.

Know what you are buying before you pay for it, and if you don't think the deal is fair, don't make the deal.

[Trooper Bri]

EA access is for PC, and TFP doesn't code console titles. So when Telltale went belly-up, there went your ballgame. Years ago..... Shoulda formed a class-action lawsuit back then.

If console players want a new version of 7D2D that doesn't represent the current console version, pay up. The PC crowd never will. That flies in the face of what Steam EA is about.

And for the record, not all console players are getting a discount. If you bought a digital copy, that's where the agreement lies currently. If you bought a hard copy, you're likely SOL.

[Spiritos]

Two points.
1. Early access is to support developers whilst the game is been developed and for doing so, allows people access to 1.0.
2. Forcing those whom have supported early access to buy at full price would discourage people from supporting future early access games.

Oh and not forgetting consumer rights acts.

[Mithrandir]

Your problem Op, is that you completely ignore the legal context to all of this.

Even if they wanted, they can't charge PC as we never got a release version so far that was included in the early access we paid for. They would break their contract with Steam ea.

Console got their release version by the fault of Telltale. That's the legal difference.

Also, stop pretending that PC players are ok with console paying again. Your narrative don't fit with what is posted here with a huge majority of PC users saying it's a sad and unfair situation. What we understand is that corps are ruled by legal contracts and can't do what they want. You may ignore that as you want, but it won't change reality :

They can't charge PC for 1.0
They can't update console owners who have the released old version.

What they want and what PC or console owners want is irrelevant in legal matters.

Now, if they eventually release DLC I can buy for PC, I'll gladly buy them. The game is worthy of it for me.

[mathaniel]

There will always be those who say "well, if I have to, they should have to also". Unbelievable, and no pulling well thought out reasons out of the air will explain this reasoning. They are like the group who think if the game were released complete, tomorrow, somehow it would make the gaming world a better place, for them. And then you have the "I don`t like Billy, so you shouldn`t like Billy either" crowd. I`m going to have to buy a new console version so the PC crowd should buy a new PC issue. Unbelievable! I am 75. I read an issue of a Superman comic waaaaaay back when comics were, imho, real comic books, when Superman was in a Bizarro world. These outbursts like this topic remind me that I may be in a Bizarro game forum world:-) No offence meant. But hey, can`t ya play PC for free? I`m a bet ya can. Can`t friends pl,ay together on console? I have over 10k hours solo, vanilla, pc, so ain`t got a dog in this console vs pc hunt. Buy C`mon man. If we can`t get something for nothing, can we at least make sure someone else pays something too? lmao. Cheers

[NHLreturns]

I fully agree.

This is not a sarcastic post.

[tosentier]

Originally posted by mathaniel:

There will always be those who say "well, if I have to, they should have to also". Unbelievable, and no pulling well thought out reasons out of the air will explain this reasoning. They are like the group who think if the game were released complete, tomorrow, somehow it would make the gaming world a better place, for them. And then you have the "I don`t like Billy, so you shouldn`t like Billy either" crowd. I`m going to have to buy a new console version so the PC crowd should buy a new PC issue. Unbelievable! I am 75. I read an issue of a Superman comic waaaaaay back when comics were, imho, real comic books, when Superman was in a Bizarro world. These outbursts like this topic remind me that I may be in a Bizarro game forum world:-) No offence meant. But hey, can`t ya play PC for free? I`m a bet ya can. Can`t friends pl,ay together on console? I have over 10k hours solo, vanilla, pc, so ain`t got a dog in this console vs pc hunt. Buy C`mon man. If we can`t get something for nothing, can we at least make sure someone else pays something too? lmao. Cheers

I think you misunderstand OP. He seems to make his request to illustrate how absurd that sounds to PC players, while some of us argue that it's perfectly fine that console players have to pay again. If one would project the reasoning for console players paying twice onto the realm of PC - including an equivalent of the Telltale debacle - we'd all agree that it'd be outragous to make us pay again.

[Teresa]

Originally posted by tosentier:

Originally posted by mathaniel:

There will always be those who say "well, if I have to, they should have to also". Unbelievable, and no pulling well thought out reasons out of the air will explain this reasoning. They are like the group who think if the game were released complete, tomorrow, somehow it would make the gaming world a better place, for them. And then you have the "I don`t like Billy, so you shouldn`t like Billy either" crowd. I`m going to have to buy a new console version so the PC crowd should buy a new PC issue. Unbelievable! I am 75. I read an issue of a Superman comic waaaaaay back when comics were, imho, real comic books, when Superman was in a Bizarro world. These outbursts like this topic remind me that I may be in a Bizarro game forum world:-) No offence meant. But hey, can`t ya play PC for free? I`m a bet ya can. Can`t friends pl,ay together on console? I have over 10k hours solo, vanilla, pc, so ain`t got a dog in this console vs pc hunt. Buy C`mon man. If we can`t get something for nothing, can we at least make sure someone else pays something too? lmao. Cheers

I think you misunderstand OP. He seems to make his request to illustrate how absurd that sounds to PC players, while some of us argue that it's perfectly fine that console players have to pay again. If one would project the reasoning for console players paying twice onto the realm of PC - including an equivalent of the Telltale debacle - we'd all agree that it'd be outragous to make us pay again.

The equivalent of the Telltale debacle for pc would have to include pc getting a 1.0 version like console did. Console got a 1.0 version from Telltale that was based on the a14 version of the pc version of the fun pimps' game.

PC 1.0 is releasing soon. There are planned updates to finish the kickstarter campaign. If somehow TFP could make those planned updates only free to kickstarter backers, that is the only way of an equivalent to the console situation that i could see. Non kickstarter pc players would have to pay for bandits and story and such that is still to come.

Because I have so many hours in the game and enjoy it immensely, both with and without mods, I would buy the bandit/story/etc dlc if there was a charge for it, (making it dlc).

However, TFP are OBLIGATED to include the kickstarter goals to the kickstarter backers, and i have seen no evidence at all that they would make an effort to only provide those for free to the og kickstarter people. If they do, they do though and i would still both purchase the "dlc" and purchase their next game during early access assuming they do early access.

I still have one friend who has not yet tried 7dtd. If, as expected, all pc players receive the upcoming kickstarter additions for free, i will still pay for the game again if that one friend ever decides to give it a try. That would be at least another 20+ hours of entertainment for me playing with him, which is well worth $45 and still much less than a night out.

[RequiemsRose]

To be blunt, if i had to buy it again, i simply wouldn't. They wouldn't be making extra money off me either way. I already supported a more than decade long crap show that never actually fulfilled it's promises and could barely decide what they wanted the game to be beyond "zombie survival with base defense". For the price I paid to do so, yes, i got my money's worth, but I would not be giving them any more money either.

[Mithrandir]

Originally posted by NHL12:

I fully agree.

This is not a sarcastic post.

Of course ...

[SomethingShooterDev69]

Tldr and lmfao, console users never learn

[Trooper Bri]

Originally posted by Mithrandir:

Originally posted by NHL12:

I fully agree.

This is not a sarcastic post.

Of course ...

You're messing with the wrong dude. He has a 500lb Barbie Jeep, and he's not afraid to open a can of whoop-butt on the nearest guardrail.

I believe him... Mostly for the sake of innocent guardrails everywhere.

[Gnasty Gnorc]

I've owned this game for well over like, 8 years. Why should I pay again?