Stun is BS

[Brawling]

I'm thinking you need an option to turn off the stun.

I would understand if you made it % based, such that they do 40% in a hit and therefore you are stunned.

Getting tapped shouldn't stun me. Put an option in to turn it off.

[Honor's Bastion]

Postat inițial de haloman:

stun is op i think there should be a skill to decrease the chance of stun and bleed or at least reduce it

There actually is already a way to reduce the chance of both. It's called wearing armor and clothing and the higher quality your armor is, the better protection it provides.

[RTX 5080 FE(Mr Happy)]

Postat inițial de Baron:

Keep your stamina up you won't have a problem
But really if a zombie basically punched you in the face wouldn't you be dazzled for a few seconds?

It is bugged, I often get smacked back by zombies with full stamina and no, if I had a football helmet on and a zombie punched me, I would not be stunned. Not at all.

[Mytheos]

@OP

If you get stunned...

FACE the zombies while moving backwards ( sprint if needed ) and swing at the heads of zombies to stun them and buy more time for the stun to wear off...

If you turn away from them and try running...you're doing the wrong thing.

[Max]

What Survival Junkie said, I too have been stunned from the front by a low level nurse zombie while in full armor and football helmet, lvl50, full stamina and health, on several occasions.

I am all for difficult but it simply happens far too often and is annoying as hell and must be the single most thing responsible for my deaths.

I hope this is fixed as part of the combat changes coming up in A14.

[Mytheos]

Postat inițial de Max:

What Survival Junkie said, I too have been stunned from the front by a low level nurse zombie while in full armor and football helmet, lvl50, full stamina and health, on several occasions.

I am all for difficult but it simply happens far too often and is annoying as hell and must be the single most thing responsible for my deaths.

I hope this is fixed as part of the combat changes coming up in A14.

There isnt anything to be fixed, again if you melee them to buy a little time while facing them and running backwards you'll live most times.

If you turn away and run with hope you'll make it, you're going to die often.

[krzosu18]

Postat inițial de Max:

What Survival Junkie said, I too have been stunned from the front by a low level nurse zombie while in full armor and football helmet, lvl50, full stamina and health, on several occasions.

I am all for difficult but it simply happens far too often and is annoying as hell and must be the single most thing responsible for my deaths.

I hope this is fixed as part of the combat changes coming up in A14.

thats the difference between protection and immunity -> you are not immune -> you can still be stunned -> but it will happen less likely -> and bear in mind less likely doesnt mean not at all.

so basically you can take precautions to limit the chance -> not avoid it altogheter -> i will tell you this -> i love to play paintball -> my buddies and i have swat style gear -> helmets vests and so on -> it looks pretty awesome -> and it does provides neat protection but still -> when i get shot in the head and helmet takes the hit -> it does stun me a bit -> the concusive force is high enough -> the blunt force is blocked by the helmet -> but the concusive force does gets through -> the same is with zombies in this case -> you will recive less damage -> but it might still stun you -> a real life example - my buddy shot me from 2m distance straight in the helmet -> (he was hiding behind the corner) there was enough of blunt force to knock me down on my ass even despite my helmet -> luckily i was just stunned (no other injury) for a moment so yah you might say the buddy shot me with a critical shot :L

[Max]

@Mytheos & krzosu18:
I get what both of you are saying and agree for the most part, which is why I was pointing out that I find it happens far too often.
Either that or my stun RNG and/or luck just sucks. I always face them, holding sprint down as well while backing up.
Anyway, I'll just adapt and learn to do long range attacks leaving melee and my alarmingly high stun rate only for emergencies

[krzosu18]

Postat inițial de Survival Junkie:

Postat inițial de Baron:

Keep your stamina up you won't have a problem
But really if a zombie basically punched you in the face wouldn't you be dazzled for a few seconds?

It is bugged, I often get smacked back by zombies with full stamina and no, if I had a football helmet on and a zombie punched me, I would not be stunned. Not at all.

dude dont kid yourself -> yes you wont be hurt -> at least not badly -> but there is enough force to stagger you or knock you down -> dont belive me ? - well get someone to smack you in Real life with relatively strong smack even with the helmet there is high chance that there will be enough force to stagger you or knock you down -> only gamers might think that armor= immunity

picture this -> medival times -> full plate knights were still afraid of guys with huge clubs - why ? -> get the picture -> yes the blow wont hurt you much but it will knock you down and then you are just good as dead

[RTX 5080 FE(Mr Happy)]

Postat inițial de krzosu18:

Postat inițial de Survival Junkie:

It is bugged, I often get smacked back by zombies with full stamina and no, if I had a football helmet on and a zombie punched me, I would not be stunned. Not at all.

dude dont kid yourself -> yes you wont be hurt -> at least not badly -> but there is enough force to stagger you or knock you down -> dont belive me ? - well get someone to smack you in Real life with relatively strong smack even with the helmet there is high chance that there will be enough force to stagger you or knock you down -> only gamers might think that armor= immunity

I am not kidding myself. I am 37, and I used to play college football, so I am very familar with what protection a football helmet provides. I am also 6 foot 1 240 lbs *In my college days I was 180, so I gained a bit over past 18 years, but no sir, a smack wont stun you.


You have any idea how many times we head butted or slapped each other silly at the sight of a touch down or a victory? If this was the case, most of us would have been on the DL list haha.


But I do understand that this is a game I aso understand that the stun is busted,

Do the following-and record and post it here.


Test 1. Naked Get hit by a zombie 10 times.
Test 2. Get hit by a zombie 10 times fully armored.

Do this 3 different times, Try to use the same zombie for each set test.


You might be suprised to see that you can be stunned as much or even more fully armored as you can nude.

Now the percentage might be random, but wow, some of us are finding that we get stunned as often armored as we do nude.


I am not complaining, I am merely agreeing with ops assement that it seems bugged.


And you can not tell me it is not bugged. And we cant not promise it is. Our opinion is it is bugged. Your opinion is it is not.

I have fixed the issue by meleeing them as little as possible.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kke2wk9xXow


These are zombies, not some medevil warrior battle. They are ZOMBIES. They lack the ability to use full body strength.

They are dangerous when alone, sure, but they are intended to be a true threat in groups.

[krzosu18]

Postat inițial de Survival Junkie:

Postat inițial de krzosu18:

dude dont kid yourself -> yes you wont be hurt -> at least not badly -> but there is enough force to stagger you or knock you down -> dont belive me ? - well get someone to smack you in Real life with relatively strong smack even with the helmet there is high chance that there will be enough force to stagger you or knock you down -> only gamers might think that armor= immunity

I am not kidding myself. I am 37, and I used to play college football, so I am very familar with what protection a football helmet provides. I am also 6 foot 1 240 lbs *In my college days I was 180, so I gained a bit over past 18 years, but no sir, a smack wont stun you.


You have any idea how many times we head butted or slapped each other silly at the sight of a touch down or a victory? If this was the case, most of us would have been on the DL list haha.


But I do understand that this is a game I aso understand that the stun is busted,

Do the following-and record and post it here.


Test 1. Naked Get hit by a zombie 10 times.
Test 2. Get hit by a zombie 10 times fully armored.

Do this 3 different times, Try to use the same zombie for each set test.


You might be suprised to see that you can be stunned as much or even more fully armored as you can nude.

Now the percentage might be random, but wow, some of us are finding that we get stunned as often armored as we do nude.


I am not complaining, I am merely agreeing with ops assement that it seems bugged.


And you can not tell me it is not bugged. And we cant not promise it is. Our opinion is it is bugged. Your opinion is it is not.

I have fixed the issue by meleeing them as little as possible.

Well since you were on the team it means you had the proper stature in the first place -> i doubt that is the case with half starved post apocalypse guy :P -> and thats a factor too

also ppl during play stick to the rules -> and those "pros" do know how to play in a manner to stop you but dont actually hurt you -> it would not be the same with a guy/zombie who dont give a dam about that -> he just want your blood :L

also another factor is the said resistance -> when you played your body got acustomated to certain things - so yes you are less likely to get stunned -> the same cant be said about the "vanilla" guy -> unless he gets repeated activities like getting kicked in the head all the time (to a cetain degree the armor skills work in this manner but only partialy since it only reduces the damage not the stun chance) seriously ive seen ppl getting KO from a simple Btch slap across the face -> so i would imagine entity like a zombie would be full capable to excert even larger force with much larger ferocity -> also keep in mind (at least i do ) that i treat the hit not just a mere swath at you -> i see it more like grabbing you or using its weight against you -> yes it might knock you over -> make you stagger -> ir might grab pieces of your armor to try to ripp them off -> i know the game doesnt show it like that but thats what it would look like so yah imagine that zombie not marely beating you but grabbing and holding onto your leg /arms torso etc -> like it or not it would slow you down to say the least -> when i was younger i wrestled a lot with my buddies or sisters -> it was relatively friendly ofc but i do remember those fights were also quite fierce with limb grabbing/ twisting knocking over etc -> so yah i can pretty imagine it would be the same with blood thitsty zombie as well :L -> there might not be much style per say into it but strenght/power -> oh yah there would be plenty of that.

i would say that dead island series (games) shown that such mechanic farily well -> esp when your stamina was low.

as for the walking dead series its sorta hilarious -> but the zeds in it are so nerfed -> after all the series would end when the main chars would get eaten in first episodes :L so imho that not a good example -> i tend to see zombies mor resident evil style -> but thats my opinion -> aka i like to think of them as more dangerous than those of walking dead but that a matter of perspective/opinion

as for making the trials that might be sorta out of the question since i play on insane diff -> so melee is out of the question at all times (unless there is a single zombie and it was knocked down first) cuz any zombie is deadly even without the stun -> stun is equal to certain death so i wont risk it under almost any circumstances ;] so -> from my point of view i kinda see it as hilarous when ppl "whine" that they get stunned and die -> since im used to die from mere 2 "normal hits" even without the stun ;] and only the best armour buys me 1 maybe 2 hits more - > seriously ive seen ppl who play on the lowest settings then got surrounded by several zombies (and stunned)-> getting punches so many times its silly and then complaining that its unfair that they died -> imho the stun is just great because its a not so gentle reminder even to the pros that if luck isnt in your favor you will die -> you cant afford even a slightest misstep at any time if you do -> well you are lunch ;)

i know this is sorta lame /dumbed down -> since its for the console players -> but notice HOW the zombies attack there -> they try to grab bite , knock over, grapple ,hold down etc -> they use their limbs like a baseball bat -> whenever i see a stun lock in 7days i sorta see this :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dks-AF436-8

[RTX 5080 FE(Mr Happy)]

Postat inițial de krzosu18:

Postat inițial de Survival Junkie:

I am not kidding myself. I am 37, and I used to play college football, so I am very familar with what protection a football helmet provides. I am also 6 foot 1 240 lbs *In my college days I was 180, so I gained a bit over past 18 years, but no sir, a smack wont stun you.


You have any idea how many times we head butted or slapped each other silly at the sight of a touch down or a victory? If this was the case, most of us would have been on the DL list haha.


But I do understand that this is a game I aso understand that the stun is busted,

Do the following-and record and post it here.


Test 1. Naked Get hit by a zombie 10 times.
Test 2. Get hit by a zombie 10 times fully armored.

Do this 3 different times, Try to use the same zombie for each set test.


You might be suprised to see that you can be stunned as much or even more fully armored as you can nude.

Now the percentage might be random, but wow, some of us are finding that we get stunned as often armored as we do nude.


I am not complaining, I am merely agreeing with ops assement that it seems bugged.


And you can not tell me it is not bugged. And we cant not promise it is. Our opinion is it is bugged. Your opinion is it is not.

I have fixed the issue by meleeing them as little as possible.

Well since you were on the team it means you had the proper stature in the first place -> i doubt that is the case with half starved post apocalypse guy :P -> and thats a factor too

also ppl during play stick to the rules -> and those "pros" do know how to play in a manner to stop you but dont actually hurt you -> it would not be the same with a guy/zombie who dont give a dam about that -> he just want your blood :L

also another factor is the said resistance -> when you played your body got acustomated to certain things - so yes you are less likely to get stunned -> the same cant be said about the "vanilla" guy -> unless he gets repeated activities like getting kicked in the head all the time (to a cetain degree the armor skills work in this manner but only partialy since it only reduces the damage not the stun chance) seriously ive seen ppl getting KO from a simple Btch slap across the face -> so i would imagine entity like a zombie would be full capable to excert even larger force with much larger ferocity -> also keep in mind (at least i do ) that i treat the hit not just a mere swath at you -> i see it more like grabbing you or using its weight against you -> yes it might knock you over -> make you stagger -> ir might grab pieces of your armor to try to ripp them off -> i know the game doesnt show it like that but thats what it would look like so yah imagine that zombie not marely beating you but grabbing and holding onto your leg /arms torso etc -> like it or not it would slow you down to say the least -> when i was younger i wrestled a lot with my buddies or sisters -> it was relatively friendly ofc but i do remember those fights were also quite fierce with limb grabbing/ twisting knocking over etc -> so yah i can pretty imagine it would be the same with blood thitsty zombie as well :L -> there might not be much style per say into it but strenght/power -> oh yah there would be plenty of that.

i would say that dead island series (games) shown that such mechanic farily well -> esp when your stamina was low.

as for the walking dead series its sorta hilarious -> but the zeds in it are so nerfed -> after all the series would end when the main chars would get eaten in first episodes :L so imho that not a good example -> i tend to see zombies mor resident evil style -> but thats my opinion -> aka i like to think of them as more dangerous than those of walking dead but that a matter of perspective/opinion

as for making the trials that might be sorta out of the question since i play on insane diff -> so melee is out of the question at all times (unless there is a single zombie and it was knocked down first) cuz any zombie is deadly even without the stun -> stun is equal to certain death so i wont risk it under almost any circumstances ;] so -> from my point of view i kinda see it as hilarous when ppl "whine" that they get stunned and die -> since im used to die from mere 2 "normal hits" even without the stun ;] and only the best armour buys me 1 maybe 2 hits more - > seriously ive seen ppl who play on the lowest settings then got surrounded by several zombies (and stunned)-> getting punches so many times its silly and then complaining that its unfair that they died -> imho the stun is just great because its a not so gentle reminder even to the pros that if luck isnt in your favor you will die -> you cant afford even a slightest misstep at any time if you do -> well you are lunch ;)

just take the test I suggested, Then tell me its not broken :)

[spared_life]

I'm not a big fan of the stun either but without it I wouldn't be near as cautious as I am in the game. I play a lot of impossible scenerios but I've rarely died from a sneak attack that has left me stunned even though I usually play with no sound. Take away the stun and the wellness loss and all you have is a run, gun, die, respawn, and repeat game. The best defense against stun is not to be where they can hit you.

[krzosu18]

i will do so -> but truth be told its pointless -> since the game doesnt show the actuall percantages (aka what was the initial chance for stun/ what was the modifier from armor/stamina values and what was rolled on the "RNG dice") -> you so you can take 10 hits (no armor and empty stamina) and still walk away since you were lucky

and take 10 test hits with all possible armour and full stamina and still get stunned cuz you were unlucky -> so atm such test doesnt actually mean/tell much -> true test would involve showing those percentages that would tell us in what manner armor/staimna had impact

-> i can relate this to another example -> you have 2 %(i know cuz ive seen the value in the game file) to find a car battery when dismantling the car -> my buddy (real story) on my eyes got 4 different batteries -> one from each car -> i dismantled about 20 and found none -> what it meant ? - just that he was one lucky guy -> and i was not -> so in the case of stuns since we cant verify the percentages and the values from from the dice we cant actually realiably compare such tests because like it or not there is some dumb/blind luck involved :)

so without the knowledge of those innerworkings such tests are not worth a penny ;(

it sorta reminds me of this

http://i.imgur.com/nMvhw5y.jpg

the joke is -> that guys chance to hit is 65% ;]

okay ive done some testing (like i said its not reliable
it was a series of 20 hits from same zombie

without armour -> about every 2-3 hits was a stun
with iron armor every 4-5 hits was a stun

so that would "seem" to indicate that armor does work -> all trials were on max stamina
but like i said without the info about the percentages its modifiers and the actual result of the dice that test isnt reliable anyway -> under such conditions you would have to make dozens if not hundrets of those to be anywhere close to true values

[RTX 5080 FE(Mr Happy)]

Postat inițial de krzosu18:

i will do so -> but truth be told its pointless -> since the game doesnt show the actuall percantages (aka what was the initial chance for stun/ what was the modifier from armor/stamina values and what was rolled on the "RNG dice") -> you so you can take 10 hits (no armor and empty stamina) and still walk away since you were lucky

and take 10 test hits with all possible armour and full stamina and still get stunned cuz you were unlucky -> so atm such test doesnt actually mean/tell much -> true test would involve showing those percentages that would tell us in what manner armor/staimna had impact

-> i can relate this to another example -> you have 2 %(i know cuz ive seen the value in the game file) to find a car battery when dismantling the car -> my buddy (real story) on my eyes got 4 different batteries -> one from each car -> i dismantled about 20 and found none -> what it meant ? - just that he was one lucky guy -> and i was not -> so in the case of stuns since we cant verify the percentages and the values from from the dice we cant actually realiably compare such tests because like it or not there is some dumb/blind luck involved :)

so without the knowledge of those innerworkings such tests are not worth a penny ;(

it sorta reminds me of this

http://i.imgur.com/nMvhw5y.jpg

the joke is -> that guys chance to hit is 65% ;]

okay ive done some testing (like i said its not reliable
it was a series of 20 hits from same zombie

without armour -> about every 2-3 hits was a stun
with iron armor every 4-5 hits was a stun

so that would "seem" to indicate that armor does work -> all tirals were on max stamina
but like i said without the info about the percentages its modifiers and the actual result of the dice that test isnt reliable.

agreed without percentage it is hard to tell. if you did the test again, you might notice 2-3 hits for naked and with steel armor and 4 to 5 with leather. The way it works seems to be very random, from what I have noticed. But I dont mind it, since I rarely melee zombies and if I do, I make sure to have bandages and a sledge hammer lol

[Hades]

I'm with krzosu18 here.

I mean this game is already so easy with all the nerfs... is it really necessary to dumb it down even further???

Zombies walk so slow you have to be dumb to get hit (It's my own stupidity when I get hit also).

Someone can make a noob mod one day... but in the mean time just play smarter... read all the good advice on how to avoid and respond to stuns.

To be more straight to the point: learn to play the freaking game already!