A21: after playing several games

[Kauldric]

Overall, best Alpha so far. It’s the first time in a while that the game has been more challenging. The learn by looting system, while still needing adjustments, works quite work overall and progression is much slower than before, whilst feeling natural. No longer is there a real incentive to systematically loot POIs but now instead we really must start going to POIs that have a higher chance to drop certain magazines. Now, putting points into skills works in tandem with looting, whereas before you could easily craft tier 5 weapons be end of day one or two without hardly doing much. The water change is great, with water now being needing to be managed carefully.

Looking forward to:
- more zombie types and level types. Seeing radiated on the first horde kinda makes late game boring
- ability to make the water filter be buy it
- a real reason to interact with the traders. Quests are mainly for noobs or streamers so for more experienced players traders are just kinda meh. Except for water filters now, I guess.
- more organic POI loot containers (more shelves less magic boxes)
- more weapon tiers
- stealth too easy without actually putting points into stealth, should be fixed…
- few more but I forgot them now

[Mr. Sneed Elwoods]

Stealth is not a good thing in my opinion. You may walk deep into somewhere and suddenly making noise finding yourself surrounded.
If i understand correctly you want to make Waterfilters on your own. A bit contradictionary because they are indeed one of the few Things you might need the Trader for.
Crafting Tier 5 Weapons on Day one? How?

[Kauldric]

Stealth is fine. Zombies are triggered but don’t know where you actually are. With stealth you can back up a little (or a lot) and pick them off with your bow.

[Vamp]

Definitely agree it's the best Alpha so far. The game is still very easy. Interacting with traders is broken overpowered though so I disagree with you, there's too much reason to interact with them right now. I don't want stealth to be nerfed either lol.

[Kauldric]

Originally posted by Sushi Dragon:

Definitely agree it's the best Alpha so far. The game is still very easy. Interacting with traders is broken overpowered though so I disagree with you, there's too much reason to interact with them right now. I don't want stealth to be nerfed either lol.

You are right. The traders are not easy mode for this game. That’s what I was trying to say. If you want a challenge there’s no legit reason to interact with the traders.

I always thought a mechanic such as turning in a clear-POI token would be cool, which in turn has some net positive effect (e.g. global buff). Then the traders would have a real purpose beyond being weird, infinite sources of random stuff.

[Vamp]

Originally posted by Kauldric:

Originally posted by Sushi Dragon:

Definitely agree it's the best Alpha so far. The game is still very easy. Interacting with traders is broken overpowered though so I disagree with you, there's too much reason to interact with them right now. I don't want stealth to be nerfed either lol.

You are right. The traders are not easy mode for this game. That’s what I was trying to say. If you want a challenge there’s no legit reason to interact with the traders.

Oh I totally do agree with that part (if you mean they are easy mode), having a pure survival mode would be good. The traders I feel like are a mechanic made for servers. So that there's always POIs to do and stuff to get. For now I still use traders and consider completing a couple tier 6 quests as finishing the game usually though.

[Kauldric]

Originally posted by Sushi Dragon:

Originally posted by Kauldric:

You are right. The traders are not easy mode for this game. That’s what I was trying to say. If you want a challenge there’s no legit reason to interact with the traders.

Oh I totally do agree with that part (if you mean they are easy mode), having a pure survival mode would be good. The traders I feel like are a mechanic made for servers. So that there's always POIs to do and stuff to get. For now I still use traders and consider completing a couple tier 6 quests as finishing the game usually though.

Oops yeah I meant they are easy mode. Can’t type on mobile…

I basically don’t use traders but now I have to in order to get filters. But it’s ok.

[Doesn't Learn From Mistakes]

The destroyed dew collectors in some PoIs have a 50% chance of yielding a water filter if you smash them.

Just saying, if you don't want to buy them off a trader.

[SylenThunder]

Originally posted by Doesn't Learn From Mistakes:

The destroyed dew collectors in some PoIs have a 50% chance of yielding a water filter if you smash them.

Just saying, if you don't want to buy them off a trader.

Not if you smash them. If you loot them. Smashing them gives you only polymer, iron, or a pipe.

[Vamp]

Originally posted by Kauldric:

Originally posted by Sushi Dragon:

Oh I totally do agree with that part (if you mean they are easy mode), having a pure survival mode would be good. The traders I feel like are a mechanic made for servers. So that there's always POIs to do and stuff to get. For now I still use traders and consider completing a couple tier 6 quests as finishing the game usually though.

Oops yeah I meant they are easy mode. Can’t type on mobile…

I basically don’t use traders but now I have to in order to get filters. But it’s ok.

I've barely used a dew collector honestly, I find enough stuff in POIs and such. I didn't use dew collector at all on my first run through A21, and only used it after for fun and not necessity.

[thestile]

I've been playing survivalist, zombies always run with with 4x spawns via mod, and it is definitely a good challenge. Actually, It has been a perfect challenge, and I've had to be extremely careful.
It's hard to get overpowered loot now, with the current alpha. I mean hard to get it extremely quickly. The only thing that could make it better would be a little more of a nerf to the quest rewards .

I would prefer it if the quest rewards were nerfed a little based on the game difficulty.

I've had a great time with 21 overall.

[Vamp]

Originally posted by thestile:

I've been playing survivalist, zombies always run with with 4x spawns via mod, and it is definitely a good challenge. Actually, It has been a perfect challenge, and I've had to be extremely careful.

I wish that zombie spawn settings were in the normal game, that's so much more fun than just making them bullet sponges.

[thestile]

Originally posted by Sushi Dragon:

I wish that zombie spawn settings were in the normal game, that's so much more fun than just making them bullet sponges.

Yes, I agree. Having high spawns is really exciting and you can make the game really dangerous everywhere.