The more I play A21, the more I realize...

[Jonnson]

It sux. ok, I got over the water BS. ok, I adapted to the magazine crap. Now, I'm looking at other changes.

Why are all of the animals in poi's asleep? Literally asleep, might as well add cartoon bubbles to them, with zzzzz's!

You can walk right up to a sleeping dire wolf in a shack, squat, and then sneak attack him, in his face, with a bone shiv. Then, you can run away, construct a nerd pole and get atop it, in the time it takes him to stand up and move to chase you down.

The boars are a little faster to get up, but I can still sneak attack their face, as they are all asleep...entire fields of boars are asleep. All of them. Everywhere.

The zombie dogs have their detection radius nerfed to barely active, AND they stop chasing you after 2 seconds.

Where are the bears? I have played half a dozen first 2 weeks, run throughs now, and havent seen a single bear. There used to always be some bears roaming around at night, at least.

Where are the wolves? No wandering wolves at night anymore? No wolf packs anymore?

Why is my base always surrounded by deer at night?

What happened to the night spawns? I can plop on a stone mound and hammer all night without fear of anything. I can run around in the forest, chopping down trees all night and maybe see 3 zombies. I have feral sense on at night.

I just blazed through the desert on my bike, and saw one vulture, who just hovered around and then flew off.

I do like the police cars though, but thats a project zomboid ripoff, and indicates a lack of creativity.

[GinsengSamurai]

I'm having the opposite experience as you.

Within the first week, I met my share of bears and wolves wandering around in the snow biome. Wolves, dogs, and dire wolves are primarily wandering around, rather than sleeping. I met one zombie dog that was sleeping in the 3 in-game weeks. The boars are a mix bag. Half of them are sleeping and the other half are wandering around the city. I rarely see deer actually, in any biome.

On a daily basis, whether that be in the pine forest, snow biome, or desert biome, I see a lot of night spawns.

Mind you, I play on Insane difficulty with custom settings.

Originally posted by Jonnson:

I do like the police cars though, but thats a project zomboid ripoff, and indicates a lack of creativity.

By that logic, every single zombie game is a rip off of each other at the time of their development. What was the first zombie game? Every game thereafter is a ripoff of the original zombie game? Give me a break. The only thing lacking in this game is its completion date. Everything else people have been complaining about like no jars after drinking water and the magazine system can easily be modded out.

Besides Plants Versus Zombies, almost every zombie survival game contains guns, a trigger-based spawning system, and the ability to make building pieces. Wow, so unique right?! ;)

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Now I suggest you try one of the overhaul mods like War of the Walkers, End Z, Darkness Falls, or whatever floats your boat. It can make your 7DTD experience quite a bit different. I like Darkness Falls and War of the Walkers.

https://7daystodiemods.com/alpha-21-mods/

[LeftPaw]

That's it. In the end it's down to your personal tastes. Apart from the water BS I love A21, but I do mod it to my liking, so there is that. Something your not happy with, mod it.
I like sleeping or hibernating stuff as I usually play a sneaky character. Sneaking in to a position to stealth kill something is fun.

[ℭycaleo]

Mods are bad. For me A21 is not bad, but also nothing interesting. I start believing the devs don't want to focus on important things to progress release because they can't handle it...

Still worth the money for me because the game make fun to play.

[James]

I agree A21 was major disappointment, but I disagree with your experience/reasoning here. I see animals all the time and they're never sleeping (expect for sleeping dogs in POI's, which is par for the course).

It's also worth noting that the only change to spawning from A20 to A21 was adding a separate line in code named "WildGameForestNight" which has a default max count of 1 animal. All of the other biomes had no change at all. So maybe you experienced this at night in the Pine Forest biome more than others? Which would make sense.

A20:

<spawn maxcount="1" respawndelay="1" time="Any" entitygroup="WildGameForest" spawnDeadChance="0" />

<spawn maxcount="1" respawndelay="1.1" time="Night" entitygroup="EnemyAnimalsForest" spawnDeadChance="0" />

A21:
<spawn maxcount="2" respawndelay="1" time="Any" entitygroup="WildGameForest" spawnDeadChance="0" />

<spawn maxcount="1" respawndelay="1" time="Night" entitygroup="WildGameForestNight" spawnDeadChance="0" />

<spawn maxcount="1" respawndelay="3.2" time="Night" entitygroup="EnemyAnimalsForest" spawnDeadChance="0" />

However, I do see a problem here. There's also a hard limit to how many entities (zombies/animals) can be spawned in at once and this type of approach creates it's own dilemma within itself. Open up the spawn limit and problem solved. More zombies, more animals.

But they wont do that because they're so concerned with console players right now and so PC players are taking a backseat. Despite how much we have been supporting them.

Consoles hardware are far behind PC technology and the companies (Sony/Microsoft) proprietary firmware and hard stance on releasing certain data for other companies (like TFP) make it harder to develop a game through them.

But hey, it's a company, right.

Originally posted by Jonnson:

I do like the police cars though, but thats a project zomboid ripoff, and indicates a lack of creativity.

You could say the entire game in general has been a 'rip-off' of other games from the start then. Especially since the idea of the game was inspired from the Skyrim and Fallout series and the owners have been very open about it.

[ℭycaleo]

Originally posted by James:

Especially since the idea of the game was inspired from the Skyrim and Fallout series...

Is this supposed to be a joke?

[James]

Originally posted by Synburn:

Originally posted by James:

Especially since the idea of the game was inspired from the Skyrim and Fallout series...

Is this supposed to be a joke?

Is this supposed to mean anything at all?

[ℭycaleo]

Originally posted by James:

Originally posted by Synburn:

Is this supposed to be a joke?

Is this supposed to mean anything at all?

Yes...?

[James]

Originally posted by Synburn:

Originally posted by James:

Is this supposed to mean anything at all?

Yes...?

Well you failed.

[ℭycaleo]

Originally posted by James:

Originally posted by Synburn:

Yes...?

Well you failed.

Damn, how could this happen!

[James]

Originally posted by Synburn:

Originally posted by James:

Well you failed.

Damn, how could this happen!

I would tell you how, but you wouldn't believe me.

[ℭycaleo]

Originally posted by James:

Originally posted by Synburn:

Damn, how could this happen!

I would tell you how, but you wouldn't believe me.

In your dreams?

[James]

Originally posted by Synburn:

Originally posted by James:

I would tell you how, but you wouldn't believe me.

In your dreams?

No, by common sense.

[ℭycaleo]

Originally posted by James:

Originally posted by Synburn:

In your dreams?

No, by common sense.

I thought it didn't make any sense.

[James]

Originally posted by Synburn:

Originally posted by James:

No, by common sense.

I thought it didn't make any sense.

I didn't think I would ever need to explain the meaning of common sense but here we are.

[minisith]

Originally posted by James:

Originally posted by Synburn:

I thought it didn't make any sense.

I didn't think I would ever need to explain the meaning of common sense but here we are.

So where is the sence? You left us at a cliff hanger.