About the spear in 21

[dabastien]

Just a tought!
But trought time the spear was a weapon to fight against multiple enemies, the fact that it just point and hit does feel a little sad.
It was used to swing multiple target, to protect yourself, from one side to an other or in a round circle to make sure no one enter near you.

wouldnt it make more sens? to follow historical use of a spear?
on my part, i can't use it as i find it's use exactly as the other weapons when it should be a defence weapon first.

if it whould at least trow back multiple ennemies in a 180 degree in front, it would feel more realistic i think, than a point and hit weapon.

maybe it worth thinking about it?

[...👑 JOST AMMAN 👑...]

I don't know what history you refer to, but I think you've seen too many chinese movies maybe.

[SylenThunder]

Well this method only works when fighting a human enemy that fears being harmed in the attack. Braindead Zeds are another story entirely.

I also agree with Jost in too many movie tropes portraying this, rather than it being an actual combat technique.

[AmsterdamHeavy]

Spears are thrusting weapons, generally speaking.

I own a spear. It even has a 13" long, double edged head on it.

Swinging it about and hitting things would do it in VERY quickly. Its simply not made for that, and that before we get into edge alignment with such a weapon.

Basically the blades would get bent and curled in 2 minutes, even against just bone.

[jynx]

It already looks like a halberd. renaming it shouldn't be that hard, since they're taking away the only distinction which defines it as a spear.

https://youtu.be/XyO7EcI2DBw

[TheChoccoBiccy09]

Originally posted by SylenThunder:

Well this method only works when fighting a human enemy that fears being harmed in the attack. Braindead Zeds are another story entirely.

I also agree with Jost in too many movie tropes portraying this, rather than it being an actual combat technique.

Does it really matter if it’s a realistic technique or not? It just needs to be fun/balanced for the game.

[Loco]

Originally posted by dabastien:

Just a tought!
if it whould at least trow back multiple ennemies in a 180 degree in front, it would feel more realistic i think, than a point and hit weapon.

That would make it even more unrealistic.

[Pain Weasel]

Originally posted by dabastien:

Just a tought!
But trought time the spear was a weapon to fight against multiple enemies, the fact that it just point and hit does feel a little sad.
It was used to swing multiple target, to protect yourself, from one side to an other or in a round circle to make sure no one enter near you.

I can see it now, all those Greek soldiers in their phalanxes, tightly packed together with interlocking shields....wildly swinging their spears in a circle around them. Somehow.

[...👑 JOST AMMAN 👑...]

Originally posted by jynx:

It already looks like a halberd. renaming it shouldn't be that hard, since they're taking away the only distinction which defines it as a spear.

https://youtu.be/XyO7EcI2DBw

I would definitely want this guy to back me up in a fight! /s

[restarter]

lol now thats rich: "you're watching too many Hong Kong kung fu movies to be taking this zombie game seriously."

[Tahnval]

Originally posted by dabastien:

Just a tought!
But trought time the spear was a weapon to fight against multiple enemies, the fact that it just point and hit does feel a little sad.
It was used to swing multiple target, to protect yourself, from one side to an other or in a round circle to make sure no one enter near you.[..]

It wasn't usually used that way. In almost all situations, a spear was used as a stabbing weapon against one enemy. The big advantage of a spear was the ability to stab someone further away, not the ability to twirl around in a "this looks dramatic on screen" (it doesn't - it just looks silly) way. Which would usually get you killed in reality. It makes even less sense with a spear than it does with a sword, given that a spear is primarily a stabbing weapon.

In many battlefield scenarios, spears were deployed in units anyway, which would make the "I'm DANCING!" twirly stuff impossible.

The only situation in which a spear-wielder might do the twirly thing is if they were alone and being attacked on open ground by multiple enemies coming from different directions. Probably not even then because, a spear is primarily a stabbing weapon. In that scenario, your objective is to hold your enemies off by being a potential threat to all of them. With a spear, that would mean convincing each enemy that you could stab them before they could reach you with their own weapon. My spear is pointing at you...and now you...and you too...at any time it could be pointing at any of you. Not in order. No predictable pattern. Maybe it'll be you next. Are you willing to risk stepping into range when it might cost you your life? Or will you hang back at a safer distance? That would be the prudent option. Twirling gives the enemy you've just passed plenty of time to step forward and stab you in the back as you're twirling towards the others. Being predictable in a fight with deadly weapons will probably be deadly unless your enemies are incompetent.

Even with large two-handed swords (i.e. far better suited to cutting than spears) designed primarily for area denial, it was more complex than "swing in a round circle". You keep the blade moving, but you don't twirl around in a simple circle, being fatally predictable.

[...👑 JOST AMMAN 👑...]

OP must have seen this movie maybe:
https://youtu.be/y6TQRxRGhRI?t=47
(see the fight between wstern spear and chinese spear lol)
It's pure bullcrap, but it's fun to watch.

[dabastien]

The neandertal trowing spear i whould say you are right and in the medieval time they used it for horse and simple defence as in roman empire, but the designe here is the one from asia.
here a bit of history: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polearm

don't forget that asia have a really long history.

and as spear are used for trusting, in attack mode, it also always was use for defence due to the long shaft. what we see in movie today, it's not the real fighting style, but more of a ceremonie show style.

anyways, if you follow history and don't only base your knowledge on one country type of spears or history, you will see that the spears change shape, size and
weight and used depending on who created it after seeing it somewhere else.

I just sugested something base on what i know, that could have made something different on mass zombie fight.

[restarter]

@ Jost
lol that was pretty good. I like the stereotypical western arrogance on display.
I love heavily choreographed fight scenes like that. Some of my favorites are from movies that came out of Hong Kong in the 70's and 80's, Ninja's Deadly Trap among one of my favorites, still have it on VHS.
It is quite funny how much endurance these people have, ever watch a real fight with half that much movement and they last less than a minute with none of the glamour moves. Talk about a waste of energy...
I forget what martial artist interview I was watching but he said that real fights last less than 30 seconds because both parties are too tired to continue.

[dabastien]

Originally posted by Loco:

Originally posted by dabastien:

Just a tought!
if it whould at least trow back multiple ennemies in a 180 degree in front, it would feel more realistic i think, than a point and hit weapon.

That would make it even more unrealistic.

I think i got into more real fight than you, sadly. truth is when you have more than one person on you,,, whatever the weapons you have, you try to swing it so none of them make a move, so if i had a spear and i was surrounded, that what i would do.

i probably would'nt do a lots of damage, but i would be safe, until i have a chance to flee or to safely fight back. zombie or human is'nt the point, the point is creating a safe distance.

[dabastien]

Originally posted by ⚜ JOST AMMAN ⚜:

OP must have seen this movie maybe:
https://youtu.be/y6TQRxRGhRI?t=47
(see the fight between wstern spear and chinese spear lol)
It's pure bullcrap, but it's fun to watch.

Yup that was a fun movie.