7 Days to Die

7 Days to Die

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majestic12.1985 Jun 16, 2023 @ 1:52am
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Alpha 21? TOO GRINDY
I've clocked over 500 hours on 7 Days to Die, and this latest update is a slap in the face! They've taken a game we love and turned it into a grind-fest nightmare!

We've been loyal, we've paid our dues, and what do we get? More tedious crafting, more handicaps, and less fun! They've messed with the animations, and tweaked the graphics, but what's the point when they're making the gameplay unbearable?

I've just wasted two and a half hours of my life trying to build a forge, got killed three times, and for what? They've even taken away our 3x3x1 frame shapes! How are we supposed to build a quick base now?

This isn't just a game anymore, it's a chore. A chore I'm starting to hate. We were hoping for more items, maybe a boat or something cool. But no, they've left us high and dry.

This update is a letdown. It's a kick in the teeth after all the anticipation. So, I'm giving it a big, fat thumbs down! It's time we spoke up, gamers. Tell them we're not going to take this insult lying down! :steamthumbsdown: :steamthumbsdown:
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Sandro138 Jun 16, 2023 @ 1:57am 
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Skill issue
Shurenai Jun 16, 2023 @ 2:07am 
I don't recall there being a 3x3x1 frame shape? But presuming there was, Are you sure you aren't just being tripped up by this change:
"Opening the shapes selection window the first time starts with the basic shapes filter selected"
that puts the basic shape filter on by default because the list of shapes is monumental?
Darton Jun 16, 2023 @ 2:10am 
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LMFAO.... Funny, so funny.

Been here since A4 and we started to complain in A6, 7, 8, 9 and continued to complain about the needless changes over and over instead of adding new and better content. What we learned is the devs have been playing around with the game similar to a self taught artist who draws for the first time, changes it and changes it, till it looks good enough. So the artist eye for this game is Madmole just so you know. He is the one who is "playing" this game from a different viewpoint. Consider him GOD of 7d2d.
So if you want any chance of any changes, best you write to him directly on the official forums. But it's doubtful to be of much worth.

I do think the game is better for a hardcore survival, but for the most part has lost the brilliance it once was, and I don't think the devs care about popularity anymore, they have their money in pocket so now it's just about creating the game they want to play for the rest of their lives. A serious game. Nothing to just come in and mess around in.

The water issue is a huge one, because of different play styles. For example, This completely destroys half of a PVP server player base, because many of them will never go near a Trader, which is camped all the time. If we could craft our own filters and purifier mod there wouldn't be such an issue. But the devs don't care about our play style. When even more people give up on this game, then you will see them bring it back or do something else trying to get more players back, but it might be too late.
Shurenai Jun 16, 2023 @ 2:15am 
Originally posted by Scorpito:
LMFAO.... Funny, so funny.

Been here since A4 and we started to complain in A6, 7, 8, 9 and continued to complain about the needless changes over and over instead of adding new and better content. What we learned is the devs have been playing around with the game similar to a self taught artist who draws for the first time, changes it and changes it, till it looks good enough. So the artist eye for this game is Madmole just so you know. He is the one who is "playing" this game from a different viewpoint. Consider him GOD of 7d2d.
So if you want any chance of any changes, best you write to him directly on the official forums. But it's doubtful to be of much worth.

I do think the game is better for a hardcore survival, but for the most part has lost the brilliance it once was, and I don't think the devs care about popularity anymore, they have their money in pocket so now it's just about creating the game they want to play for the rest of their lives. A serious game. Nothing to just come in and mess around in.

The water issue is a huge one, because of different play styles. For example, This completely destroys half of a PVP server player base, because many of them will never go near a Trader, which is camped all the time. If we could craft our own filters and purifier mod there wouldn't be such an issue. But the devs don't care about our play style. When even more people give up on this game, then you will see them bring it back or do something else trying to get more players back, but it might be too late.
PVP is not, has not, and will never be a major priority for the developers. PVP support and balance basically started and ended with extending the Friendly Fire function to allow you to kill strangers or everyone.

That said, Has it occured to you that this change might be preceding a larger change to traders themselves? Yknow, We still have to have other NPCS like bandits and survivors added in, and the story, whatever form that takes.. And they may will relent and allow for crafting the filters down the line after seeing how the experimental and all that plays out.
Sandro138 Jun 16, 2023 @ 2:22am 
Originally posted by Scorpito:
LMFAO.... Funny, so funny.

Been here since A4 and we started to complain in A6, 7, 8, 9 and continued to complain about the needless changes over and over instead of adding new and better content. What we learned is the devs have been playing around with the game similar to a self taught artist who draws for the first time, changes it and changes it, till it looks good enough. So the artist eye for this game is Madmole just so you know. He is the one who is "playing" this game from a different viewpoint. Consider him GOD of 7d2d.
So if you want any chance of any changes, best you write to him directly on the official forums. But it's doubtful to be of much worth.

I do think the game is better for a hardcore survival, but for the most part has lost the brilliance it once was, and I don't think the devs care about popularity anymore, they have their money in pocket so now it's just about creating the game they want to play for the rest of their lives. A serious game. Nothing to just come in and mess around in.

The water issue is a huge one, because of different play styles. For example, This completely destroys half of a PVP server player base, because many of them will never go near a Trader, which is camped all the time. If we could craft our own filters and purifier mod there wouldn't be such an issue. But the devs don't care about our play style. When even more people give up on this game, then you will see them bring it back or do something else trying to get more players back, but it might be too late.

PvP is pretty garbage in 7DTD and I bet around 1% of the player base plays it. Having said that, they should never balance their PvE around a niche mode. You can always mod the game if PvP "balance" is so important to you.

Gotta love all the knee jerk reactions and crying from people, it's funny.
Ogami Jun 16, 2023 @ 2:23am 
I just crossed the 500 hours myself and i think this is the best the game has ever been.
Enjoying myself immensely.
The slower start and pacing is exactly what i wanted from this game and not being completely overpowered 10 days in like in the last few versions feels great.
Last edited by Ogami; Jun 16, 2023 @ 2:23am
Darton Jun 16, 2023 @ 2:26am 
What's funny is the typical responses, by the same people throughout the years.
Darton Jun 16, 2023 @ 2:32am 
Hey, I've dealt with the changes throughout the years and look I'm still here. I enjoy a lot of the new updates. I think NPCS will be great if they ever get in. But I do stay strong with my thoughts after many years with this game, and NO, this game began with PVP, then had a massive pvp following and player base for many years. It's only the last year that has destroyed not only PVP but also PVE servers, most of them... BECAUSE, IT"S NOT MEANT TO BE A MULTIPLAYER GAME BEYOND LIKE 7 PLAYERS BLA BLA BLAAAAAA
But it has been for many years and very stupid for the devs to change that true fact.
dr46onfusion Jun 16, 2023 @ 2:40am 
It is quite the grind mainly because it forces you to change up your playstyle to find new ways to exploit the change.

Then they patched it out making purifiers more expensive and magazines a bit harder to get (you can still find Forge ahead magazines, but need to loot a ton more to find more).

First and foremost, save your thirst and hunger as much as possible and play efficiently for the first 7 days, doing questing as much as possible in a single day so you can basically get dukes, exp, and the assortment of items from the list.

Boosting quest rewards might be needed to speed up the grind.

No matter how much resources you hoard, you will be stuck with lacking water until you loot enough to build a dew collector, or you farm enough murky water, or basically drink dirty water like a madman while hoarding vitamin pills and golden rod teas.

For multiplayer, this scarcity is even worse unless you cooperate very efficiently, sharing the quest rewards to increase the amount of loot your team gets to push forward your base. But in PVP type of gamemodes, you'd need to mod or essentially modify the game settings itself to accommodate this massive change.

If you play on default settings, the moment everyone looted everything (in multiplayer), it'll be extremely hard to keep up on replenishing stuff on the map unless you make air drop happen every day and having global chunks reset every 10 days and loot refilling every 3 days.

** Remember that loot quality and abundance is based on the character progression and game state levels of the world, meaning if low level characters keeps looting everything, the odds of finding decent quantity of water plummets **

Like with general major alpha builds, it's always the player fighting against the devs with the changes being made... People made bases that are hard to raid using AI trickery with blocks in A20, so they got nerfed to oblivion. People took advantage of what A20 gives and such, so they nerfed it to oblivion with a revamp to A21.

So to this end, the devs will keep replacing, revamping, and not finishing the game because they don't want to see players reaching end game and being bored, it's as if they 'fear' that scenario.
Last edited by dr46onfusion; Jun 16, 2023 @ 2:48am
MistaM Jun 16, 2023 @ 3:02am 
Spoiled guy. Play Undead Legacy, thats grindy in 7 Days. Or Lineage 2 if you need a REAL grinder... :mug:
dr46onfusion Jun 16, 2023 @ 3:05am 
Originally posted by Maleth:
Spoiled guy. Play Undead Legacy, thats grindy in 7 Days. Or Lineage 2 if you need a REAL grinder... :mug:
It's actually called Gatekeeping.

The original WoW and FF14 1.0 did that because they had no content to show in the endgame.
MistaM Jun 16, 2023 @ 3:07am 
Originally posted by Kai:
Originally posted by Maleth:
Spoiled guy. Play Undead Legacy, thats grindy in 7 Days. Or Lineage 2 if you need a REAL grinder... :mug:
It's actually called Gatekeeping.

The original WoW and FF14 1.0 did that because they had no content to show in the endgame.

The original Everquest did that before everything else...
dr46onfusion Jun 16, 2023 @ 3:09am 
Originally posted by Maleth:
Originally posted by Kai:
It's actually called Gatekeeping.

The original WoW and FF14 1.0 did that because they had no content to show in the endgame.

The original Everquest did that before everything else...
If they keep remaking every single game system they'll be forced to keep gatekeeping and make the game grindy so that the endgame isn't easily attained...
carl.wear Jun 16, 2023 @ 3:39am 
Originally posted by Shurenai:
I don't recall there being a 3x3x1 frame shape? But presuming there was, Are you sure you aren't just being tripped up by this change:
"Opening the shapes selection window the first time starts with the basic shapes filter selected"
that puts the basic shape filter on by default because the list of shapes is monumental?

The 3x3x1 cube is in shapes in the gear shapes ( Between the armchair and the T Shape symbols).
MistaM Jun 16, 2023 @ 3:46am 
Originally posted by Kai:
Originally posted by Maleth:

The original Everquest did that before everything else...
If they keep remaking every single game system they'll be forced to keep gatekeeping and make the game grindy so that the endgame isn't easily attained...

What I wanted to write is that people like OP shouldn't "cry" about that "(hard) grind" what I don't see in 7D and compared to other games where the "grind" is really much worse. Next time he should play FF XI or Lineage 2. Then it's allowed to cry like a river about "grind". Besides of that he seems he has no skill to survive in this game. Simple statement when reading his text. Better to quit and move on. :mug:
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