does anyone actually use encumbering armor?

[nekochan AL]

this is something ive been wondering for quite a while now, and id like to get peoples opinions on this. you see, i never really liked the armor encumbrance system in 7 days to die, and ever since it was implimented, ive stuck pretty much soley to cloth armor because it has no encumbrance. in my opinion, my ability to run away from zombies is much more valuable than the ability to take hits from zombies, because if youre stuck on the ground with 0 stamina or you cant outrun them, youre just gonna get railed on until you die, regardless of how good the damage mitigation is. on top of that heavy armor also makes you less productive, since everything in this game revolves around stamina, youre going to collect less resources with slower stamina regeneration, and also break down doors and safes slower. it also makes you less good with melee weapons, because again, it lowers your stamina regeneration.
its just not worth it in my opinion. the only time i ever use heavy armor is during horde nights, where if you ever get to a point where you have to resort to running away, chances are youre already as good as dead anyway. i think it would have been better if the developers added a skill you can unlock where you can make higher and higher armor types encumbrance free, like with inventory encumbrance. i know that theres an "improved fittings mod" that does mitigate the stamina and mobility penalties somewhat, but even that doesnt get rid of it entirely, or even enough in my opinion

[Seftak]

If only there was a "heavy armor" skill... If only....

Also a book exactly about that.

[Myrkana]

Im using heavy armor, take the perks and the penalty isnt quite as bad. I get hit a lot and dont take near as much damage or get as many injuries as my partner who is wearing light armor. Worth the penalties.

[Kara]

I too only use cloth armor, with few exceptions. I might find an advanced fitting mod to go on a piece of leather armor. Also if I read the book that makes armor not slow you down in combat, I could throw some on for BM.

After maxing out strength I tried maxing out heavy armor completely. I put on lvl5 scrap armor and I was STILL very slow, where as I should not have been slower AT ALL with maxed stats for it. It wasn't even that much better protection...I have the same gripe with certain weapon trees. It's so unbalanced that I'm forced to keep going clubs + cloth armor every single game.

[Kryzx]

On easier difficulties? Scrap all that heavy gear, you won't need it.
Survivalist/Insane? Wouldn't hurt to have a set ready for when you finally get enough perk points to put into Heavy Armor.

Not sure if there's a bug with the crit reduction those heavier armors are suppose to mitigate in A21, but typically it would be protecting you fairly well from getting all of those bleeds, sprains, fractures, & concussions those zombie bastards are inflicting us with.

[Myrkana]

Originally posted by Kara:

I too only use cloth armor, with few exceptions. I might find an advanced fitting mod to go on a piece of leather armor. Also if I read the book that makes armor not slow you down in combat, I could throw some on for BM.

After maxing out strength I tried maxing out heavy armor completely. I put on lvl5 scrap armor and I was STILL very slow, where as I should not have been slower AT ALL with maxed stats for it. It wasn't even that much better protection...I have the same gripe with certain weapon trees. It's so unbalanced that I'm forced to keep going clubs + cloth armor every single game.

did you take the perk for the armor? the stat doesnt matter

[MoistGamer]

full military armor set is my armor endgame. including BDU top.

[FatefulRuin]

Put points into heavy armor and keep a set around.
As long as there's no real danger around, don't wear it and get your resources without penalties at all.
As soon as you enter a POI, blood moon hits, a wandering horde comes your way, you spot a direwolf/bear or whatever you say is dangerous to you, put on that set and adapt by not sprinting around and attacking carefully as long as you still have to resort on melee. Once you've got your first decent firearms you can go and annihilate whatever poor things dared to get near you.
Once the danger is over, put the armor back in your inventory and keep mining.

Starting with heavy armor can be a bit harder as long as your damage doesn't keep up, but as soon as you got a few skill points and a good weapon, you don't even think about running away anymore. You just go right in there and come out the only thing still living.

[Kara]

Originally posted by Kryzx:

On easier difficulties? Scrap all that heavy gear, you won't need it.
Survivalist/Insane? Wouldn't hurt to have a set ready for when you finally get enough perk points to put into Heavy Armor.

Even with the perks it only at max helps like, 25% on speed penalty..? This really really needs to be upped to zero speed/stamina penalty for using pts to max it out. Or at least add in better mods to go on the armor.

Speed is everything. The entire game is on a timer. You want to be as fast as possible for all that walking to the trader turning in quests, as well as looting. Not to mention locating new towns or even a good spot to base. So so much walking and if you play on a public server, you don't have all 7 days at your disposal to get things done.

[Kara]

Originally posted by Myrkana:

Originally posted by Kara:

I too only use cloth armor, with few exceptions. I might find an advanced fitting mod to go on a piece of leather armor. Also if I read the book that makes armor not slow you down in combat, I could throw some on for BM.

After maxing out strength I tried maxing out heavy armor completely. I put on lvl5 scrap armor and I was STILL very slow, where as I should not have been slower AT ALL with maxed stats for it. It wasn't even that much better protection...I have the same gripe with certain weapon trees. It's so unbalanced that I'm forced to keep going clubs + cloth armor every single game.

did you take the perk for the armor? the stat doesnt matter

What do you mean by taking the perk?

[Myrkana]

Originally posted by Kara:

Originally posted by Myrkana:

did you take the perk for the armor? the stat doesnt matter

What do you mean by taking the perk?

are you not playing a21 where there are perks you take for different things? heavy armor is one of them.

[Kara]

Originally posted by Myrkana:

Originally posted by Kara:

What do you mean by taking the perk?

are you not playing a21 where there are perks you take for different things? heavy armor is one of them.

Again you are being too vague, say exactly what you mean please. Yes, I maxed out heavy armor skill, as stated. To my knowledge there is no magazine that helps with wearing armor, but only crafting. There is one book that causes no encumbrance from armor during combat, as I also mentioned.

[Myrkana]

Originally posted by Kara:

Originally posted by Myrkana:

are you not playing a21 where there are perks you take for different things? heavy armor is one of them.

Again you are being too vague, say exactly what you mean please. Yes, I maxed out heavy armor skill, as stated. To my knowledge there is no magazine that helps with wearing armor, but only crafting. There is one book that causes no encumbrance from armor during combat, as I also mentioned.

theyre called perks, not skills :) but with the heavy armor perk you'll be fine. You do still have some penalty but its far outweighed by wearing the heavy armor.

[Seftak]

Originally posted by Kara:

Originally posted by Kryzx:

On easier difficulties? Scrap all that heavy gear, you won't need it.
Survivalist/Insane? Wouldn't hurt to have a set ready for when you finally get enough perk points to put into Heavy Armor.

Even with the perks it only at max helps like, 25% on speed penalty..? This really really needs to be upped to zero speed/stamina penalty for using pts to max it out. Or at least add in better mods to go on the armor.

Speed is everything. The entire game is on a timer. You want to be as fast as possible for all that walking to the trader turning in quests, as well as looting. Not to mention locating new towns or even a good spot to base. So so much walking and if you play on a public server, you don't have all 7 days at your disposal to get things done.

So you want to make light armours irrelevant? Also why are you walking everywhere? If you have maxed out heavy armour AND do not have at least a minibike, wth is wrong with you...

[Kara]

Originally posted by Seftak:

Originally posted by Kara:

Even with the perks it only at max helps like, 25% on speed penalty..? This really really needs to be upped to zero speed/stamina penalty for using pts to max it out. Or at least add in better mods to go on the armor.

Speed is everything. The entire game is on a timer. You want to be as fast as possible for all that walking to the trader turning in quests, as well as looting. Not to mention locating new towns or even a good spot to base. So so much walking and if you play on a public server, you don't have all 7 days at your disposal to get things done.

So you want to make light armours irrelevant? Also why are you walking everywhere? If you have maxed out heavy armour AND do not have at least a minibike, wth is wrong with you...

The minibike is extremely slow, and so is the bicycle. No point even having those. I don't walk, I run quickly with at least a college jacket and if i'm lucky, running shoes. Drinks are so plentiful that vehicles are obsolete.
The point of light armor in all games that make sense is early game armor that can be used without perks. Heavy armor needs perks to not slow you down, but in THIS game, it still just slows you down and in result, all of your activities. Why even use slow armor when I don't get hit because I'm fast..? But that is not the point here.

[Helios]

In later stages you have suicide zombies with c4 or tnt explosion restistance come in handy at that time.