Some random animal/farming/cooking suggestions

[Miz]

To start things off: some suggestions for existing animals/an animal that should be in the game

Bears (Non Zombie): Since the game is supposed to take place in AZ, these should be Black Bears, which are notably smaller than the grizzly bear sized things we have in game. They are also more of scavengers, and will run before attacking unless attacked, and, are easily spooked by loud noises.

Coyotes: 100% should only run away from the player unless zombified. More people are killed by flying Champaign corks or errant golf balls in a year than are bitten by coyotes.

Chickens: These are wild birds at this point, they should be traveling in groups and hyper aggressive to things that are dyed red and/or bleeding. Chickens are actually pretty vicious irl, and the whole 'rose colored glasses' thing, yeah, that's what ye olden ranchers had to do to keep their hens from occasionally pecking each other to death.

Cows: Give us the moo-moo, Arizona is one of the biggest milk producing states in the USA ffs, when I drove a semi, I'd haul 44,000lbs of raw cheese curd produced in Tempe, AZ from local cattle to upstate Wisconsin every week. Also: bulls aren't angered by the color red, the thing that angers them from matadors is the fluttering from the cape, the red color was to make it more vibrant/easier to see, for spectators.

Dogs: Why are all zombie dogs dobermans when that's not a super common breed? Even if the police/military justification, it should be Shepherds as those are the primary police/mwd breeds due to intelligence and trainabilty. Also: non zombie versions.

Mountain Lions: Should 'freeze' when being stared at by the player (cross hairs on it's head). Mountain Lions will only, typically attack, if you get WAY to close to their young and even then, will try to scare you off not strait attack you if you keep them in sight

Rattle Snakes: Should sit in place and only attack if you get too close. I don't have a clue why they are trying to chase down people.

Wolves: Pack hunters, yet only solo groups, also should, typically, avoid people due to the threat people pose as prey compared to the 'value' of our meat. Honestly, the only animal that will intentionally hunt humans when they aren't starving/rabid is the Polar Bear.

*Farming*

-Barrel/Prickly Pear cacti: Pretty prelavent in AZ, also, produce edible fruits
-Agave: Big bro of the Aloe, could be used to make alcohol such as Pulque and Tequila, but also good for just making syrup/sweet water
-Wheat: pretty self explanitory, also one of the main crops of AZ, should be an ingreedient for beer, bread (let us make FRESH Shamwhiches!) grits/porridge
-Citrus: another primary crop for export of AZ, Lemonade/Orangeade would be good as a drink to resist the heat, citrus could also be used for herbal antibiotics, and 'desert' foods
-Olives: could be refined into 'cooking oil' which could be a product to replace animal fat, animal fat could be rendered into said cooking oil, or used as is for some recipes (like torches, or sham cans)
-Cactus Tap: Let players get water from cacti at a slower rate than the dew collector but doesn't need a filter

*Ranching*

A new set of farming options, allowing the raising/slaughter/use of domesticated animals
-Fences would suddenly have a reason to be built
-Players would have a reason to make big bases, and to use auto turrets more!
-Would allow for some types of companion animal
-Perk book like of "True Cowpolk" or something similar for recipes/skills for this. Such as, a book to tame chickens and build a coop, a book to tame pigs and build small troughs for food/water, a book for taming cattle and building large troughs, a book for taming dogs and building dog houses and food bowls, a book for making animal medicines, a book for making animal armors, and a book for making animal related crafting stations (butter churn, cheese press, etc) and capstone would be to allow the player to take a chicken/dog/pig as a companion similar to the robbit. Dogs could be a 'general purpose' pet filling many roles like remote grabbing of items, chickens could be dps pets low hp but just all the RAGE, and pigs could be support pets due to being quite intelligent and good at digging up things (maybe a decrease in search radii or helping you dig up more stuff at a time, etc)

*Cooking*
When foods are learned, and what they do needs to be re-balanced.

-Add a frying pan, since the beaker is ONLY used in chem station now, give us a frying pan that can be used similarly to an iron club or used as a cooking station tool
-Get rid of boiled meat/eggs
-Grilled foods shouldn't reduce thirst
-Add boiled corn/potatoes, seriously these are brain dead to make
-Food requiring super corn should be the LAST things learned
-Add scrambled/fried eggs as an early game way to use eggs without meat (needs pan)
-Fried foods (both pan/deep fried are possible)
-Let us make powered cooking ranges/ovens to cook on/bake in (hell, baked goods should require this, how are we making loaves of bread and pies on a campfire?)
-Let us make/use bbq grills for grilling
-Got an old fridge? Cool, you got the easiest thing for making a good smoker. Smoked meats taste great and can last a long time.
-With dried meats, and animal fat, you can make this lovely little thing called pemmican. That stuff can keep for YEARS and is SUPER nutritious for you.
-Let us boil buckets of water to produce lots of boiled water at a time, or, use buckets of water for bulk crafting of things like glue
-Beer honestly has a pretty low alcohol content and should be treated more like a normal drink unless you drink alot of it, change it to give hydration initially, a 'stack' of 'buzzed' and some food, after so many stacks of 'buzzed' loose any 'extra' hydration, and gain the current beer effects and while the effect lasts, increase hydration meter consumption


This has been my random list of 'well it might be food/food related' suggestions, thanks for listening to my ted talk

[Desert Rat]

Dude, most of what you are looking for can be added with mods, and quite a few of them already exist. As far as the game devs go, well, that's quite a wish list.

[bayaholic]

Originally posted by Desert Rat:

Dude, most of what you are looking for can be added with mods, and quite a few of them already exist. As far as the game devs go, well, that's quite a wish list.

Yup.

[Jonnson]

Interesting, but let me help you out a bit.

Black bears will attack humans. Just youtube bear attacks. I've seen groups of black bears (full grown) come after people. I just learned that recently, I'd never seen bears come in groups...but they do, albeit rarely. I've also seen them climb right up onto a hunting stand, with said hunter in it. Also, seen one rip into a tent to get to food, with campers in it. I seen one charge a group of over 100 people. I mean, running someone down, and then changing course to run down the guy who had the balls to interfere, until finally some 20 men grouped up and ran it off, with rifles. Also, there is some controversy about yelling or making noise, as bears may confuse that with prey screams, its almost as bad as running away, which triggers them to chase food down. Please, I don't want anyone to think they can hang out near a black bear. It is actually law that you carry approved containers to store food in, that bears cant get into, or smell, in much of our state parks out west. Now, as far as the game goes, consider that what remains of our wildlife population, due to a zombie apocalypse, is starving.

I agree, coyotes are pretty timid around humans, BUT, if they are starving....I mean, a rat WILL come for your toe if its starving. The coyotes in this game run sometimes, or sometimes run when hit just once or twice, its reasonable, considering the starving situation.

I totally agree about the chickens, there should be occasional small groups of them, but they don't have the ability to threaten a human, especially one wearing any degree of armor, while holding a spear, or what not. Although, it would be funny to get killed by a pack of ravenous chickens. I'll skip immersion for that level of hilarity. It is a game after all.

I would assume that the cows and bulls were devoured by zombies as most of them are pinned. But I have to agree that there should be a greater variety of animals, and zombies as well. I would think they will add more animals and zeds in beta, as that would be pretty easy to do. They are still struggling to get the mechanics right at this stage. Pathetic, i know.

Truly, the zombie dogs are totally a resident evil ripoff. They are banking on nostalgia there. You know that, right?

A starving lion would most definitely attack. As well as a wolf, or pack of wolves. But a snakes first line of defense is to hide, and then its second is to run, and then if it does strike, most of the time it doesn't waste its venom, and they are definitely not chasing you, that is kinda funny.

I think the biggest thing is to remember that these animals would all be starving, and therefore more aggressive, more willing to take risks on larger game (humans) as starvation is also life or death. I've seen wolves fall down 500 ft of cliff while trying to get a goat, literally breaking its limbs on the way down, but always focused on the kill. Breaking half its rib cage, ignoring it on the crash landing, just to dive right at the goat, AS they both tumble down the cliff. I saw a lion get its jaw ripped off by a rhino and still try to kill its prey. A Rhino makes a human look like a rat, or other small game. If she will attack a Rhino, with a dismembered bottom jaw, she will attack a scrawny human.

There really are a lot of dumb people. I mean, you would be amazed how narcissism and ignorance leads these people right to their death. I just had an argument in a room with hundreds of "smart asses," who all thought that a Bic lighter was superior to a ferro rod. The conversations that spiral out of that topic are all survival related, and they will argue with a survival expert just to win the argument. I mean, with an army ranger, or special forces guy. Literally, arguing with a green beret. A Starbucks employee arguing with an Army ranger/combat medic about how tourniquets work...

♥♥♥♥ like, "rockets fly in space, therefore your Bic can ignite a flame at 30,000 feet.." As if a Bic lighter was packing jet fuel.

So, lets be careful when talking about animals. There will be an idiot who thinks he can walk up and pet a bear. I've seen him. This guy does exist. You may hold the opinion that this guy should be removed from the gene pool, yaknow survival by natural selection, but they tend to have a wife and kids in tow, or friends, or the children of friends, or their brothers children.

[Tahnval]

I think there's another possibility or two regarding wild animals in 7DTD being unusually aggressive:

The conditions of the gameworld would impose extreme selection pressure on animals. It's possible that higher aggression would be a survival trait for many animals, particularly those that aren't herbivores. We don't even know how long it's been in the gameworld since the apocalypse. The clues are (unsurprisingly for this game) highly inconsistent. For example, the abandoned vehicles look like they've been there a long time, decades at least, maybe more than a century, but tinned food is still edible. So maybe there have been 20 post-apocalypse generations of some animals. Even if there haven't, the extreme selection pressure would apply from day 1. It wouldn't take long for individual animals not well suited to the new situation to die. So maybe it would only be months, a year or two at most, to get to a situation in which only a small number of the most aggressive animals survive, i.e. what we get in the gameworld.

The fact that there are far more human zombies than living humans might also affect animal behaviour towards humans. With human zombies, attacking might be the best survival strategy for many animals. Even if animals could tell a human zombie apart from a living human (we don't know what zombies in 7DTD smell like, for example), that could affect their behaviour. Also, of course, a lone human in a post-apocalypse setting with very few humans around is much less dangerous to animals than humans ever were in reality. In reality, even if an animal successfully killed and ate a human, other humans in the human's pack would hunt the animal down afterwards and kill it. Animals learned that killing humans is suicide. It might not be immediate suicide, but it will be suicide. Hardly any wild animals will attack humans outside of extreme circumstances (defending young, being unable to hunt other prey, that sort of thing). But if there weren't other humans around, maybe some would.

We don't know what the possible effects of the pathogen in 7DTD's gameworld are. Maybe it causes increased aggression in some animals. All zombified animals and humans have extremely high aggression. Maybe some animals are immune to the zombification thing but still become more aggressive when infected.

[Miz]

Originally posted by Desert Rat:

Dude, most of what you are looking for can be added with mods, and quite a few of them already exist. As far as the game devs go, well, that's quite a wish list.

Just because 'add it with mods' can exist doesn't mean it should be neglected as base line. Alot of the 'disapearing loot piles' was something I remember from mods before it was added to the game (for trash piles/birds nests/etc)

Originally posted by Jonnson:

Interesting, but let me help you out a bit.

Black bears will attack humans. Just youtube bear attacks. I've seen groups of black bears (full grown) come after people. I just learned that recently, I'd never seen bears come in groups...but they do, albeit rarely. I've also seen them climb right up onto a hunting stand, with said hunter in it. Also, seen one rip into a tent to get to food, with campers in it. I seen one charge a group of over 100 people. I mean, running someone down, and then changing course to run down the guy who had the balls to interfere, until finally some 20 men grouped up and ran it off, with rifles. Also, there is some controversy about yelling or making noise, as bears may confuse that with prey screams, its almost as bad as running away, which triggers them to chase food down. Please, I don't want anyone to think they can hang out near a black bear. It is actually law that you carry approved containers to store food in, that bears cant get into, or smell, in much of our state parks out west. Now, as far as the game goes, consider that what remains of our wildlife population, due to a zombie apocalypse, is starving.

I agree, coyotes are pretty timid around humans, BUT, if they are starving....I mean, a rat WILL come for your toe if its starving. The coyotes in this game run sometimes, or sometimes run when hit just once or twice, its reasonable, considering the starving situation.

I totally agree about the chickens, there should be occasional small groups of them, but they don't have the ability to threaten a human, especially one wearing any degree of armor, while holding a spear, or what not. Although, it would be funny to get killed by a pack of ravenous chickens. I'll skip immersion for that level of hilarity. It is a game after all.

I would assume that the cows and bulls were devoured by zombies as most of them are pinned. But I have to agree that there should be a greater variety of animals, and zombies as well. I would think they will add more animals and zeds in beta, as that would be pretty easy to do. They are still struggling to get the mechanics right at this stage. Pathetic, i know.

Truly, the zombie dogs are totally a resident evil ripoff. They are banking on nostalgia there. You know that, right?

A starving lion would most definitely attack. As well as a wolf, or pack of wolves. But a snakes first line of defense is to hide, and then its second is to run, and then if it does strike, most of the time it doesn't waste its venom, and they are definitely not chasing you, that is kinda funny.

I think the biggest thing is to remember that these animals would all be starving, and therefore more aggressive, more willing to take risks on larger game (humans) as starvation is also life or death. I've seen wolves fall down 500 ft of cliff while trying to get a goat, literally breaking its limbs on the way down, but always focused on the kill. Breaking half its rib cage, ignoring it on the crash landing, just to dive right at the goat, AS they both tumble down the cliff. I saw a lion get its jaw ripped off by a rhino and still try to kill its prey. A Rhino makes a human look like a rat, or other small game. If she will attack a Rhino, with a dismembered bottom jaw, she will attack a scrawny human.

There really are a lot of dumb people. I mean, you would be amazed how narcissism and ignorance leads these people right to their death. I just had an argument in a room with hundreds of "smart asses," who all thought that a Bic lighter was superior to a ferro rod. The conversations that spiral out of that topic are all survival related, and they will argue with a survival expert just to win the argument. I mean, with an army ranger, or special forces guy. Literally, arguing with a green beret. A Starbucks employee arguing with an Army ranger/combat medic about how tourniquets work...

♥♥♥♥ like, "rockets fly in space, therefore your Bic can ignite a flame at 30,000 feet.." As if a Bic lighter was packing jet fuel.

So, lets be careful when talking about animals. There will be an idiot who thinks he can walk up and pet a bear. I've seen him. This guy does exist. You may hold the opinion that this guy should be removed from the gene pool, yaknow survival by natural selection, but they tend to have a wife and kids in tow, or friends, or the children of friends, or their brothers children.

On the Bears: you said it yourself, it's a rare thing for them to go after people.

On the Coyotes: They shouldn't be starving more than normal and my data was just from bites, not attacks. Only 7.5 people, on average, per year are killed by ping pong balls, yet the coyotes here will attack you instantly and only run away if you hurt them. Unless they were zombified it makes very little sense.

On Chickens: even the most domesticated ones are dangerous and people are killed by the birds every year, so, no, not as harmless as you think. The whole 'armor protect' would make sense, but this is also a game where dogs can bite through solid concrete or steel in minutes, and where bolted together street signs and rebar can protect more than purpose forged iron or steel

On the cows/bulls, maybe. 20+ people die to them every year in the US alone, and a lack of feeding/threats like are happening in the 7d2d world would make them much less docile than they are now irl

The zombie dogs being a rip off: yeah, they are, but pointing out that they should stop being a rip off and make it their own thing wouldn't be bad either.

You also said a 'starving lion' but we aren't talking about lions, we're talking about cougars/puma. While they are called mountain lions they are not the same as actual lions and, like all the large cats in the Americas only really attack when people aren't looking at them case and point https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Pg2CDCm34w this person got too close to it's young and as such SHOULD have been directly attacked but wasn't because he kept his head and did what you are supposed to do

Also: not sure where the 'all animals would be starving' thing would come from, if that were the case, why are there so many deer that will walk right upto people? Why are there so many chickens? What about the suicidal sneks that shouldn't be going after things too big for them to eat? Honestly Meat is by far the most abundant 'food' resource in the game, easily drowning out crops so quickly it's not even funny (speaking of crops, tomato, let us grow them to make spaghet with, let us make noodles from flour/cornmeal and eggs, so many more options there would be nice, and don't get me started on the canned tuna toast, that's not a...real thing IRL is it?)

[Jonnson]

Originally posted by Ruric:

Originally posted by Desert Rat:

Dude, most of what you are looking for can be added with mods, and quite a few of them already exist. As far as the game devs go, well, that's quite a wish list.

Just because 'add it with mods' can exist doesn't mean it should be neglected as base line. Alot of the 'disapearing loot piles' was something I remember from mods before it was added to the game (for trash piles/birds nests/etc)

Originally posted by Jonnson:

Interesting, but let me help you out a bit.

Black bears will attack humans. Just youtube bear attacks. I've seen groups of black bears (full grown) come after people. I just learned that recently, I'd never seen bears come in groups...but they do, albeit rarely. I've also seen them climb right up onto a hunting stand, with said hunter in it. Also, seen one rip into a tent to get to food, with campers in it. I seen one charge a group of over 100 people. I mean, running someone down, and then changing course to run down the guy who had the balls to interfere, until finally some 20 men grouped up and ran it off, with rifles. Also, there is some controversy about yelling or making noise, as bears may confuse that with prey screams, its almost as bad as running away, which triggers them to chase food down. Please, I don't want anyone to think they can hang out near a black bear. It is actually law that you carry approved containers to store food in, that bears cant get into, or smell, in much of our state parks out west. Now, as far as the game goes, consider that what remains of our wildlife population, due to a zombie apocalypse, is starving.

I agree, coyotes are pretty timid around humans, BUT, if they are starving....I mean, a rat WILL come for your toe if its starving. The coyotes in this game run sometimes, or sometimes run when hit just once or twice, its reasonable, considering the starving situation.

I totally agree about the chickens, there should be occasional small groups of them, but they don't have the ability to threaten a human, especially one wearing any degree of armor, while holding a spear, or what not. Although, it would be funny to get killed by a pack of ravenous chickens. I'll skip immersion for that level of hilarity. It is a game after all.

I would assume that the cows and bulls were devoured by zombies as most of them are pinned. But I have to agree that there should be a greater variety of animals, and zombies as well. I would think they will add more animals and zeds in beta, as that would be pretty easy to do. They are still struggling to get the mechanics right at this stage. Pathetic, i know.

Truly, the zombie dogs are totally a resident evil ripoff. They are banking on nostalgia there. You know that, right?

A starving lion would most definitely attack. As well as a wolf, or pack of wolves. But a snakes first line of defense is to hide, and then its second is to run, and then if it does strike, most of the time it doesn't waste its venom, and they are definitely not chasing you, that is kinda funny.

I think the biggest thing is to remember that these animals would all be starving, and therefore more aggressive, more willing to take risks on larger game (humans) as starvation is also life or death. I've seen wolves fall down 500 ft of cliff while trying to get a goat, literally breaking its limbs on the way down, but always focused on the kill. Breaking half its rib cage, ignoring it on the crash landing, just to dive right at the goat, AS they both tumble down the cliff. I saw a lion get its jaw ripped off by a rhino and still try to kill its prey. A Rhino makes a human look like a rat, or other small game. If she will attack a Rhino, with a dismembered bottom jaw, she will attack a scrawny human.

There really are a lot of dumb people. I mean, you would be amazed how narcissism and ignorance leads these people right to their death. I just had an argument in a room with hundreds of "smart asses," who all thought that a Bic lighter was superior to a ferro rod. The conversations that spiral out of that topic are all survival related, and they will argue with a survival expert just to win the argument. I mean, with an army ranger, or special forces guy. Literally, arguing with a green beret. A Starbucks employee arguing with an Army ranger/combat medic about how tourniquets work...

♥♥♥♥ like, "rockets fly in space, therefore your Bic can ignite a flame at 30,000 feet.." As if a Bic lighter was packing jet fuel.

So, lets be careful when talking about animals. There will be an idiot who thinks he can walk up and pet a bear. I've seen him. This guy does exist. You may hold the opinion that this guy should be removed from the gene pool, yaknow survival by natural selection, but they tend to have a wife and kids in tow, or friends, or the children of friends, or their brothers children.

On the Bears: you said it yourself, it's a rare thing for them to go after people.

On the Coyotes: They shouldn't be starving more than normal and my data was just from bites, not attacks. Only 7.5 people, on average, per year are killed by ping pong balls, yet the coyotes here will attack you instantly and only run away if you hurt them. Unless they were zombified it makes very little sense.

On Chickens: even the most domesticated ones are dangerous and people are killed by the birds every year, so, no, not as harmless as you think. The whole 'armor protect' would make sense, but this is also a game where dogs can bite through solid concrete or steel in minutes, and where bolted together street signs and rebar can protect more than purpose forged iron or steel

On the cows/bulls, maybe. 20+ people die to them every year in the US alone, and a lack of feeding/threats like are happening in the 7d2d world would make them much less docile than they are now irl

The zombie dogs being a rip off: yeah, they are, but pointing out that they should stop being a rip off and make it their own thing wouldn't be bad either.

You also said a 'starving lion' but we aren't talking about lions, we're talking about cougars/puma. While they are called mountain lions they are not the same as actual lions and, like all the large cats in the Americas only really attack when people aren't looking at them case and point https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Pg2CDCm34w this person got too close to it's young and as such SHOULD have been directly attacked but wasn't because he kept his head and did what you are supposed to do

Also: not sure where the 'all animals would be starving' thing would come from, if that were the case, why are there so many deer that will walk right upto people? Why are there so many chickens? What about the suicidal sneks that shouldn't be going after things too big for them to eat? Honestly Meat is by far the most abundant 'food' resource in the game, easily drowning out crops so quickly it's not even funny (speaking of crops, tomato, let us grow them to make spaghet with, let us make noodles from flour/cornmeal and eggs, so many more options there would be nice, and don't get me started on the canned tuna toast, that's not a...real thing IRL is it?)

Dude...I did laugh when you claimed people are killed by birds. We are talking about chickens, so, I looked it up, because...thats funny. There is one case, of an elderly man, having a heart attack when pecked by a chicken. 1 case, in the world, that I could find. I did see something about "space chickens."

That aside, I dont argue with your points about the game. I agree with some of them, and the others, well thats your desire, and you are entitled to it. My point was not to fill the minds of ignorant people with loose, or false data. A bear will eat you alive. It will rip you to shreds, and people get attacked by bears all the time. There is a reason we have trails all over the national parks with designated camping spots and ranger stations every 10 miles. Also, I said, its a rare thing for them to attack in 'groups.' I have seen a bear perusing a river notice a group of humans some 200 yards away and meander his way straight to them, for the express purpose of lunch. What stopped him was a 12 gauge with a slug. I also seen one take a shot from a 12 gauge, stumble, and then keep coming at a guy in his own front yard, who managed to slam the door in its face as it jumped up on the porch, after being shot.

About cows, I mean to say, there wouldn't be many of them left, aggressive or not, as they are pinned up in ranches, unable to escape a horde of zombies. Although, I would agree that this is a stretch as there are alot of small ranches with picket fences that can be trampled through.

I would gander that the animals in the game are starving since we see that there are zombie animals, meaning that the zombies are attacking animals. If we had a zombie apocalypse, then we are talking about billions of zombies. They arent hold up in a city like humans are. They are hunting food, nonstop. Theyre zombies...thats all they do. All that would be left, in short order, is small game (rats, squirrels, etc)

And yea, I totally agree, there are far too many animals in this game, being what it is, and they dont have any behavior to them. But lets not confuse faulty, or incomplete programming with the actual behavior of animals in the wild.

Canned tuna toast is when we punch a hole in a can of tuna, or pretty much anything canned, with an awl (metal rod on a swiss army knife, or multi-tool), then place the tinder we are fixing to use to start a fire with in that hole. We then start the fire, place rocks atop the canned tuna, and set our canteen on top of the rocks. This boils the water while cooking the food in its own can. A survivalist generally only carries one small metal container in order to boil water (weight burns calories, and encumbrance gets you killed). So, its a RL thing=)

Now, I will say this; Using snakes as an example. A snakes general behavior is to hide when a larger predator nears it, preferring its camouflage. You can actually step right beside a snake (1 inch), and it wont move. If you provoke it, it will try to slither away. Only when you press it, will it strike. BUT....that is the general behavior, as all animals have their own distinct personalities, just like your pet dog or cat. There are extremely aggressive snakes out there that will chase you down, striking at you dozens of times. Apply that to all animals. So, where I have seen an African male lion run away from a crocodile, I have also seen one jump in the water and do battle on its turf...and lose. I also seen one win! I seen a cheetah with one end of an elk in its mouth, play tug a war with a crocodile who had the other end of the elk in his mouth...both get killed by a damned hippo 10 seconds later. One video of a scared bobcat is not representative of the animal kingdom. Watch hundreds, and get outside to experience it yourself. The forest is a scary place. If we want to get really real..try to imagine the explosion of bugs that would occur in something like a zombie apocalypse...Lime disease would become a SERIOUS issue as tick populations would outright explode. As it stands, you can walk into a tick infested area, and brush one tree branch and have around 100 tiny tick babies cover your thigh like a pattern of sand. There arent any bugs in this game, yaknow? They cant program life.

Again though, I just don't want people to think they are safe when a bear or wolf walks up on them. That is a life or death situation. Do not think that a bear is scared of you. If he is coming towards you, his objective is dinner. He is not curious, he doesn't want to be friends, he is literally sizing you up. Can I kill and eat this guy? Is this going to be a fight?He is rather large. Hm, this is gonna be a fight, I may take some damage. Is it worth the fight? There are some salmon down the river....Thats what he is thinking.

[Sr Humungus]

Im seeing it, me with my cow pet smashing zombie heads.... lets moo-moo together xD

[That One Guy]

Originally posted by Ruric:

To start things off: some suggestions for existing animals/an animal that should be in the game...

This has been my random list of 'well it might be food/food related' suggestions, thanks for listening to my ted talk

Sir, this is a casino.