Why does the double barreled shotgun fire both barrels at once now?

[Wyrm]

In A20 and as far back as I can remember, the double-barrel has always fired one barrel at a time, giving you two shots before having to reload. Now in A21, it seems you always fire off both barrels. This make it much less useful in my opinion since most of the time, firing off both barrels is overkill and as such, just wastes ammo and negates the main advantage it has over the pipe shotgun.

Why was this change done? I really wish to have it changed back to how it was before.


-- edit --
This is now included in the official list of known bugs

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/13VnmkOdKC9XEOy_neb0Tp34-WPXu-aDw4jfJxcquuvc/edit#gid=0

[JoeSloeMoe]

Escrito originalmente por Kai:

Escrito originalmente por JoeSloeMoe:

I just get both barrels all the time. In-game I use a side button instead of the left button and everything works ok, but I get the two barrels on the side-by-side everytime.

There is something about how the program processes mouse interactions. My left mouse button (on an older mouse) cant be used in the game because it seems to stutter. If I hold down the button then the game will process some clicks, then stop and I have to repress the button. This same left mouse button works perfectly on everything else including all other games.
The mouse needs replacing I guess but the game seems to handle the mouse differently than other games and any OS applications on my PC.

It's your mouse sending double the signal then, older and worn out buttons on the mouse will do that a ton, I remember a lot of cases in the past games my left click triggers too much or doesn't trigger at all due to the button presses worn the switch out.

Thanks for the info and I agree. Hard to replace, its been with me a looong time but maybe its time has come.

[Wyrm]

I think I can see what the problem is.
The gun behaves as a full-auto weapon with very high rate of fire. If you hold down the button, you fire both barrels in very quick succession. If you click very very quickly, you sometimes fire one barrel.
This would be solved by just making the gun behave like a semi-auto

Almost any amount of lag due to either network or performance-issues will make single-fire very unlikely.

[Bnn1]

Escrito originalmente por Wyrm:

I think I can see what the problem is.
The gun behaves as a full-auto weapon with very high rate of fire. If you hold down the button, you fire both barrels in very quick succession. If you click very very quickly, you sometimes fire one barrel.
This would be solved by just making the gun behave like a semi-auto

Almost any amount of lag due to either network or performance-issues will make single-fire very unlikely.

I wonder if it can take the semi-auto mod, that will convert any auto fire gun into single fire...

[Duke H. Vytantis]

It sometimes shoots 1 shell at a time and sometimes fast-fires both.

[Wyrm]

Escrito originalmente por Ben1:

Escrito originalmente por Wyrm:

I think I can see what the problem is.
The gun behaves as a full-auto weapon with very high rate of fire. If you hold down the button, you fire both barrels in very quick succession. If you click very very quickly, you sometimes fire one barrel.
This would be solved by just making the gun behave like a semi-auto

Almost any amount of lag due to either network or performance-issues will make single-fire very unlikely.

I wonder if it can take the semi-auto mod, that will convert any auto fire gun into single fire...

Nope. Already tried that :(

[Wyrm]

This I think is the issue:

<effect_group name="gunShotgunT1DoubleBarrel">
<passive_effect name="RoundsPerMinute" operation="base_set" value="1000" tags="perkBoomstick"/>
<passive_effect name="BurstRoundCount" operation="base_set" value="1" tags="perkBoomstick"/>

The rate of fire is nearly 3 times that of the AK47.

I can't find an obvious setting for handling auto/semi-auto in weapons though. They could possible be hidden in another file, being called by the trigger effects.

I'll try tweaking a bit

[GinsengSamurai]

Wife uses a tier 5 double barrel and always fires single, and reloads after the second shot. We haven't stumble on this bug yet.

[Wyrm]

I lowered the rounds per minute and now it is easier to fire only one barrel.
I did notice however that for me, holding down the mouse button makes any weapon continue firing. Has it always been this way, or is something bugging for me ?

If this is a bug, then this is the main issue. Not the shotgun

[Wyrm]

I fired up Alpha 20 and there I don't have the issue with guns always firing when holding down the trigger, no matter if semi or full auto.
Something changed with input handling in alpha 21...

[Doctor3D]

Escrito originalmente por Wyrm:

I fired up Alpha 20 and there I don't have the issue with guns always firing when holding down the trigger, no matter if semi or full auto.
Something changed with input handling in alpha 21...

Using the 'Use Native Input Module' launcher setting seemed to make it better for me. It's still touchy, but able to one-shot consistently now.

[Alaric]

At first i was wondering why it fires both simultaneously and thought i remembered the function wrong. But then i noticed if a click *very fast*, it only fires one round per click.

Little bit of practice and i can now fire only one round at a time, consistently. You just need to click very quickly. The change in delay in the game files might work if it makes the delay longer. I hope this is changed in a future patch to make it easier for other players...

[Doctor3D]

Escrito originalmente por Alaric:

At first i was wondering why it fires both simultaneously and thought i remembered the function wrong. But then i noticed if a click *very fast*, it only fires one round per click.

Little bit of practice and i can now fire only one round at a time, consistently. You just need to click very quickly. The change in delay in the game files might work if it makes the delay longer. I hope this is changed in a future patch to make it easier for other players...

I think you're right - I think changing that setting was just placebo as I was more consciously thinking about it when testing it. Changed it back and you're right as long as you are super quick to click - it's consistent.

[Wyrm]

Escrito originalmente por doctor3d:

Escrito originalmente por Wyrm:

I fired up Alpha 20 and there I don't have the issue with guns always firing when holding down the trigger, no matter if semi or full auto.
Something changed with input handling in alpha 21...

Using the 'Use Native Input Module' launcher setting seemed to make it better for me. It's still touchy, but able to one-shot consistently now.

Made no difference to me.

I made a post on the bug report forums about the issue with all weapons behaving as full-auto

[Chan]

Escrito originalmente por Kai:

Escrito originalmente por JoeSloeMoe:

I just get both barrels all the time. In-game I use a side button instead of the left button and everything works ok, but I get the two barrels on the side-by-side everytime.

There is something about how the program processes mouse interactions. My left mouse button (on an older mouse) cant be used in the game because it seems to stutter. If I hold down the button then the game will process some clicks, then stop and I have to repress the button. This same left mouse button works perfectly on everything else including all other games.
The mouse needs replacing I guess but the game seems to handle the mouse differently than other games and any OS applications on my PC.

It's your mouse sending double the signal then, older and worn out buttons on the mouse will do that a ton, I remember a lot of cases in the past games my left click triggers too much or doesn't trigger at all due to the button presses worn the switch out.

No it does it on normal, functioning mice. I was playing with my husband and I thought it was my mouse double clicking as a lot of them do after wear and tear. He then took my shotgun and it was doing it to him too. You occasionally get a single shot out now and again, but it's definitely the game and a bug.

[Tesityr]

Escrito originalmente por Ben1:

Escrito originalmente por Wyrm:

I think I can see what the problem is.
The gun behaves as a full-auto weapon with very high rate of fire. If you hold down the button, you fire both barrels in very quick succession. If you click very very quickly, you sometimes fire one barrel.
This would be solved by just making the gun behave like a semi-auto

Almost any amount of lag due to either network or performance-issues will make single-fire very unlikely.

I wonder if it can take the semi-auto mod, that will convert any auto fire gun into single fire...

It would be great as a toggle/mod - IRL a double barrel has a 'lever' that you have to move back and forth, or two triggers, etc