Crafting Quality-6 Gear

[Dendrago]

So prior to A21, I was alright with crafting only going up to Q5; it made sense as a limiting factor, since main-lining a single stat to 10 and maxing the associated perk would only take like two weeks, assuming you weren't picking up any other skills

But now with the crafting books, I honestly think it should be switched

Just from a gameplay balance perspective, the purpose of both the crafting books and the Q5 lock were to shift the balance of the game towards scavenging, and that's fine

The problem is that the combination of the two causes some problems in my view, and with the new addition of the crafting books, I honestly think the quality lock should be *switched*

Looting gear to give you a temporary advantage is fine, but at this point I think that Q6 should be a reward for eventually grinding out however many dozen of the crafting books until you get all the way to max

Otherwise gear crafting is nearly useless; you're almost guaranteed to find a Q6 of whatever you're trying to craft before you could ever find enough books to get you there, meaning crafting is only useful for mass-produced things like building supplies or food/medicine

But yeah, just some thoughts on my A21 playthrough spurred by finding a Q4 steel sledgehammer when I'm fully perked into them and can still only craft Q3 iron

(Also hi, I'm pretty sure this is my first actual post on the steam forums)

[☠Dragnoros, der Wächter]

引用自 rincewind：

Haven't done T6, I'm afraid that will rain rad bikers and soldiers.

you gonna love it if you try it... i give the hint... every room is a army with mostly all 3 forms of zombies. HAHAHAHAHAAAA and i didnt even talk above the end.

https://prnt.sc/S9ZRPPbPjqET here loot at the compass^^
-> dont trust any links if you dont know the person

[rincewind]

引用自 ☠Dragnoros, der Wächter：

引用自 rincewind：

Haven't done T6, I'm afraid that will rain rad bikers and soldiers.

you gonna love it if you try it... i give the hint... every room is a army with mostly all 3 forms of zombies. HAHAHAHAHAAAA and i didnt even talk above the end

I'm having PSTD of something that I haven't done yet. Amazing!!

I think that I will wait until I have the M60 at least.

[☠Dragnoros, der Wächter]

引用自 rincewind：

引用自 ☠Dragnoros, der Wächter：

you gonna love it if you try it... i give the hint... every room is a army with mostly all 3 forms of zombies. HAHAHAHAHAAAA and i didnt even talk above the end

I'm having PSTD of something that I haven't done yet. Amazing!!

I think that I will wait until I have the M60 at least.

even this wont save you there if they come from all sites if you dont react fast enough.

[thestile]

💯 agree. It takes so long to get down a magazine tree. I think there should be some sort of reward at the end. And being able to craft just shy of the best item is not much of a reward. I do believe the magazine system changed this.

Or at the very least, make a rare magazine that allows you to craft the highest quality. Although, if it's too rare, even that would be pointless.

OR.... Make a system where you have a small chance to make a higher quality item. Maybe a 15 to 20% chance that you can go from a blue to a purple? I've seen other games do that sort of system.

[Seftak]

Maybe they could make q6 items have their own unique recipes needing to complete the skill magazine collection to learn it and requiring rare resources to craft it like parts are used for q1 to q5?

So like that you could only craft up to q5 if you don't have those rare resources and it would allow you to craft your own q6 if you find the rare resources. Rare resources could be tied to special enemies like Ark uses for sarco skins, megalodon teeth, alpha raptor claws, etc.

[☠Dragnoros, der Wächter]

引用自 Seftak：

Maybe they could make q6 items have their own unique recipes needing to complete the skill magazine collection to learn it and requiring rare resources to craft it like parts are used for q1 to q5?

So like that you could only craft up to q5 if you don't have those rare resources and it would allow you to craft your own q6 if you find the rare resources. Rare resources could be tied to special enemies like Ark uses for sarco skin, megalodon teeth, alpha raptor fangs, etc.

of course it would make sense if you have a goal where you need longer as 6h... but rare drops could be a another RNG thing where persons would going crazy.they're already complaining about the RNG of level 6 weapons... then they would go completely nuts over something like that.

[ElDudorino]

引用自 william_es：

I just consider quality level 6 gear to be pre-apocalypse gear.

And it sort of makes sense you can't craft it in our janky little homemade work benches. This is stuff that was made in a factory by hundreds of workers, using super specialized machinery. And made with rare resources mined all over the world and shipped to the factory (look up where most of the buaxite comes from... hint, it's not the US).

I find it realistic that we CAN'T craft it. As much as I want it, it just doesn't make sense.

If they allow level 6 crafting, it should only be for the things that are visibly made post apocalypse, like pipe weapons, iron crossbows, and some of the things that look like they're made out of a tin cans & junk.

Have you seen the steel club and steel knuckles? They *are* made from junk.

[nowhere man]

引用自 Dendrago：

引用自 nowhere man：

Yeah, I mean, if anything, they should just make legendary quality much rarer. I can agree that it is fairly common. I'd rather see they make it much rarer than allowing players to craft it. If they are aiming to make the game heavier on the looting and RNG factor, making t6's really rare would keep the fantasy of chasing items as an endgame mechanics more alive than it is right now.

My problem with this is, then you're just leaving the goal of getting the best of the best stuff to pure RNG, and there's no thrill in that

You just open your ten thousandth box and there it is waiting for you

I'd much rather have it be something you can build up to gradually and track your progress, i.e. the new crafting books

And since the crafting books have to be scavenged in the first place, that works in the game's emphasis on scavenging over crafting

Like, you mention Q6 as being "something to chase for", and that's exactly how I see it with the new books even if it's crafted

Well, you guess what? From the time of the answer you quotted to the present moment, I changed my mind completely about the RNG from alpha 21. In a word: Atrocious.

So yeah, I get it. I don´t personally care about the t6 quality discussion anymore. The game has deeper problems with this new rng system and it's not looking good. The more you play, the more you feel hurt by this new bullshittous system, grounding you without benches and vehicles for god only knows how long. Not fun anymore, in my view.

[rincewind]

引用自 nowhere man：

引用自 Dendrago：

My problem with this is, then you're just leaving the goal of getting the best of the best stuff to pure RNG, and there's no thrill in that

You just open your ten thousandth box and there it is waiting for you

I'd much rather have it be something you can build up to gradually and track your progress, i.e. the new crafting books

And since the crafting books have to be scavenged in the first place, that works in the game's emphasis on scavenging over crafting

Like, you mention Q6 as being "something to chase for", and that's exactly how I see it with the new books even if it's crafted

Well, you guess what? From the time of the answer you quotted to the present moment, I changed my mind completely about the RNG from alpha 21. In a word: Atrocious.

So yeah, I get it. I don´t personally care about the t6 quality discussion anymore. The game has deeper problems with this new rng system and it's not looking good. The more you play, the more you feel hurt by this new bullshittous system, grounding you without benches and vehicles for god only knows how long. Not fun anymore, in my view.

Is less RNG than before. You could go forever without finding let say the steel knuckles schematics in A20 for example.

[nowhere man]

引用自 rincewind：

引用自 nowhere man：

Well, you guess what? From the time of the answer you quotted to the present moment, I changed my mind completely about the RNG from alpha 21. In a word: Atrocious.

So yeah, I get it. I don´t personally care about the t6 quality discussion anymore. The game has deeper problems with this new rng system and it's not looking good. The more you play, the more you feel hurt by this new bullshittous system, grounding you without benches and vehicles for god only knows how long. Not fun anymore, in my view.

Is less RNG than before. You could go forever without finding let say the steel knuckles schematics in A20 for example.

But at least you would have a rough idea on when you would simply have a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ workbench or minibike, and finding steel knuckles would eventually happen. And now you dont. You might be honeymooned right now because you had luck on your only playthough. But I myself started many games just to test it out, and I tell you, it's awful.

[☠Dragnoros, der Wächter]

high end weapons like the stell knuckles can be mostly found by lvl 5-6 mission crates and the normal Tier 4-5 crates. i guess weapon tresores can have them too... but rarely

another way would be tradernmissions.

[rincewind]

引用自 nowhere man：

引用自 rincewind：

Is less RNG than before. You could go forever without finding let say the steel knuckles schematics in A20 for example.

But at least you would have a rough idea on when you would simply have a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ workbench or minibike, and finding steel knuckles would eventually happen. And now you dont. You might be honeymooned right now because you had luck on your only playthough. But I myself started many games just to test it out, and I tell you, it's awful.

Luck? The traders doesn't give me a crap. The quest rewards, are pure crap.
I didn't found the water purifier mod until I had no use for it.
Got infected and has to spend a whole morning searching for stumps, and when got 1 honey the infection reached 5%... obviously after ticking out I was still infected and had to go and search for stumps again.

The thing that I like with the magazine system is that you can get things just by playing. Like bandages or lockipicks, without having to spend points in perks.
And if you want to speed up the process you can assign the points in perks, and you can go and raid relevant places. Like pass and gas for vehicles magazies or working stiff for tools.
Feels less gamey.

And the magazines are much easier to find that one specific schematic. My last A20 game, I never found the steel knuckles schematic or steel knuckles at all.

[nowhere man]

引用自 rincewind：

引用自 nowhere man：

But at least you would have a rough idea on when you would simply have a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ workbench or minibike, and finding steel knuckles would eventually happen. And now you dont. You might be honeymooned right now because you had luck on your only playthough. But I myself started many games just to test it out, and I tell you, it's awful.

Luck? The traders doesn't give me a crap. The quest rewards, are pure crap.
I didn't found the water purifier mod until I had no use for it.
Got infected and has to spend a whole morning searching for stumps, and when got 1 honey the infection reached 5%... obviously after ticking out I was still infected and had to go and search for stumps again.

The thing that I like with the magazine system is that you can get things just by playing. Like bandages or lockipicks, without having to spend points in perks.
And if you want to speed up the process you can assign the points in perks, and you can go and raid relevant places. Like pass and gas for vehicles magazies or working stiff for tools.
Feels less gamey.

And the magazines are much easier to find that one specific schematic. My last A20 game, I never found the steel knuckles schematic or steel knuckles at all.

If you think your specific issue with the steelknuckle in a20 was bad enough, think about being possible to experience that, but with way more essential things, early and mid game. And like I suspected,. you're still on your first game and may have had good luck with the magazines. I encourage you to start multiple games like i did and evaluate what you have at least by day 7 on each. IT's all over the place, it's wild.

[rincewind]

引用自 nowhere man：

引用自 rincewind：

Luck? The traders doesn't give me a crap. The quest rewards, are pure crap.
I didn't found the water purifier mod until I had no use for it.
Got infected and has to spend a whole morning searching for stumps, and when got 1 honey the infection reached 5%... obviously after ticking out I was still infected and had to go and search for stumps again.

The thing that I like with the magazine system is that you can get things just by playing. Like bandages or lockipicks, without having to spend points in perks.
And if you want to speed up the process you can assign the points in perks, and you can go and raid relevant places. Like pass and gas for vehicles magazies or working stiff for tools.
Feels less gamey.

And the magazines are much easier to find that one specific schematic. My last A20 game, I never found the steel knuckles schematic or steel knuckles at all.

If you think your specific issue with the steelknuckle in a20 was bad enough, think about being possible to experience that, but with way more essential things, early and mid game. And like I suspected,. you're still on your first game and may have had good luck with the magazines. I encourage you to start multiple games like i did and evaluate what you have at least by day 7 on each. IT's all over the place, it's wild.

Wait, wait, wait. Day 7?
What do you expect to have by day 7?

Because day 7 is just the first horde.

[☠Dragnoros, der Wächter]

引用自 rincewind：

引用自 nowhere man：

But at least you would have a rough idea on when you would simply have a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ workbench or minibike, and finding steel knuckles would eventually happen. And now you dont. You might be honeymooned right now because you had luck on your only playthough. But I myself started many games just to test it out, and I tell you, it's awful.

Luck? The traders doesn't give me a crap. The quest rewards, are pure crap.
I didn't found the water purifier mod until I had no use for it.
Got infected and has to spend a whole morning searching for stumps, and when got 1 honey the infection reached 5%... obviously after ticking out I was still infected and had to go and search for stumps again.

The thing that I like with the magazine system is that you can get things just by playing. Like bandages or lockipicks, without having to spend points in perks.
And if you want to speed up the process you can assign the points in perks, and you can go and raid relevant places. Like pass and gas for vehicles magazies or working stiff for tools.
Feels less gamey.

And the magazines are much easier to find that one specific schematic. My last A20 game, I never found the steel knuckles schematic or steel knuckles at all.

try doctor jenny... she gives you rocket launcher 4-6 in tier 3 missions already xD