Are tier 5 buildings worth doing at all (quests)

[☠Dragnoros, der Wächter]

First my opinion.

If you look at the difficulty increase from IV to V. he is gigantic. Especially when it's the newer Tier V buildings.

Reward at the dealer... so you get the really good stuff at Tier 4 (quality 6 weapons, etc.). Is there anything better in Tier V?

I'm the only one who thinks that these buildings leave you with a minus if you do the do the buildings complete?

I actually only use the quests to reset the building in order to get to the easy end loot, since this is actually only worthwhile. Thank you Hospital and Shamway factory.. hehehe. (i think that this 2 buildings are the only worthy buildings, which you could do, if you want)

[MoistGamer]

Originalmente postado por 𝓝𝓪𝓬𝓱𝓸𝓫𝓸𝓲:

The general quest rewards are also a joke, often getting worse items than zombie loot bag or something from a chest inside the poi

The trader most times I finish a T5 quest:

"Ah I see you have a cigar, better barter maxed out, lucky looter maxed out, and just spent 1.5 hours finishing a T5 quest for me. Hows this T4 sledgehammer and a bandoleer mod sound?"

[☠Dragnoros, der Wächter]

yeah i know this problem... lootpool T4 is mostly same as by T5

[BigRowdy]

This whole discussion IMO hits on a lot of aspects that changed the game. It is no longer a survival-horror game but a looter shooter in a sense.

Now that being said It is still my favorite game of all time. I am just glad there are modders to give it back the survival aspect.

[ElDudorino]

Originalmente postado por BigRowdy:

This whole discussion IMO hits on a lot of aspects that changed the game. It is no longer a survival-horror game but a looter shooter in a sense.

Now that being said It is still my favorite game of all time. I am just glad there are modders to give it back the survival aspect.

For sure. The whole idea of being able to optimize the efficiency of collecting different guaranteed loot packs is kind of a turn-off to me. That's why after a few playthroughs of going hard with trader quests I eventually stopped doing them altogether. I had fallen into a trap of just grinding the same couple PoIs to maximize rewards and wasn't engaging with the majority of the game's content.

I like that some mods such as Darkness Falls rebalance trader rewards while encouraging exploration with things like 'story' quests. They don't really address the issue of almost all PoIs being funhouses with treasure rooms at the end but nothing's perfect.

[BigRowdy]

Originalmente postado por ElDudorino:

Originalmente postado por BigRowdy:

This whole discussion IMO hits on a lot of aspects that changed the game. It is no longer a survival-horror game but a looter shooter in a sense.

Now that being said It is still my favorite game of all time. I am just glad there are modders to give it back the survival aspect.

For sure. The whole idea of being able to optimize the efficiency of collecting different guaranteed loot packs is kind of a turn-off to me. That's why after a few playthroughs of going hard with trader quests I eventually stopped doing them altogether. I had fallen into a trap of just grinding the same couple PoIs to maximize rewards and wasn't engaging with the majority of the game's content.

I like that some mods such as Darkness Falls rebalance trader rewards while encouraging exploration with things like 'story' quests. They don't really address the issue of almost all PoIs being funhouses with treasure rooms at the end but nothing's perfect.

Like you said dont do trader quest or at most 1 every week or two. Be a survivor in an apocalyptic world not a person analyzing game mechanics..which you figured out already.

Oh and I might mention a modlet called STAY CLEAR. It prevents zombies and loot from respawning completely. Makes you go hunt for stuff rather than POI spamming.
It wont prevent everything magically re-appearing with trader quest though.

[☠Dragnoros, der Wächter]

please note the title of this conversation. It's about level 5 buildings and not what game it used to be.

Thank you for your understanding

[Maximy]

I kinda agree and disagree tbh. T5 rewards sucks, I agree. However you also get building loot + a lot of exp for killing zombies.. It kinda evens it out. At least that's my opinion, please don't eat me alive.

[Andi]

T5 buildings can be fun, but I wouldn't do them as a quest.
You're pretty much stuck in there. Can't leave the vicinity, can't exit the game, can't just head out if it gets boring or you run out of ammo without failing the quest and the reward from the trai(d)ters are laughable anyway.
Just do them for funsies.

[Dreadstone]

T5 for the loot, even with maxed trader perks aren't worth it. (imo) Better to run multiple T4's and makeup the exp with a Screamer farm

[Ray Garraty]

Originalmente postado por ElDudorino:

You can do 7 T5 quests or 9 T4 quests, or 12 T3 quests

Feels like cheesing to me...

Originalmente postado por Dreadstone:

makeup the exp with a Screamer farm

Why do you need screamer farm anyway if you could simply turn on horde every night? Screamer hordes sometimes are hard to control

[MoistGamer]

Originalmente postado por Ray Garraty:

Originalmente postado por ElDudorino:

You can do 7 T5 quests or 9 T4 quests, or 12 T3 quests

Feels like cheesing to me...

Originalmente postado por Dreadstone:

makeup the exp with a Screamer farm

Why do you need screamer farm anyway if you could simply turn on horde every night? Screamer hordes sometimes are hard to control

Screamer farm is outdated. With cities being so clumped up these days the best "meta" for farming XP via kills is either BM as you mentioned or sprinting through the front door of a POI, running over all the trash, running back through the front door you came in, turn towards said door - fire away. Theres 20 zeds lined up in a conga line from each building you run a lap through.

Since shotguns do more damage than a JDAM missile in this game you can often kill 8 zeds with one shot.

After you hit up the crack a book T5 (break iron spikes at front door, break door to basement, trigger the 35 zombies down there, run back outside), then the working stiff, then the shamway.... just free zeds. You dont have to toil in the whole POI either, often times on the bigger ones you can just run through one or two rooms never stopping your sprint til your back outside. Then the XP comes marching through the door.

[ElDudorino]

Originalmente postado por Ray Garraty:

Originalmente postado por ElDudorino:

You can do 7 T5 quests or 9 T4 quests, or 12 T3 quests

Feels like cheesing to me...

Well, yeah. If you saw my later posts, I don't even play with traders anymore in vanilla because they let you optimize the fun out of the game too easily. That's still the case whether you do every tier or not. In a sense, I kinda feel like doing trader missions at all is cheesing. But I'm just saying, if you're going for it, from a pure efficiency standpoint it makes the most sense to spam short T4s to get the T5 completion bonus.

[Nani Sore]

Doing a T5 POI trader quest in the wastelands in the somewhat earlier stages of the game but not so early that you have zero loot level is a good way to power level your loot and pick up a nice weapon or two that you would not see in the other zones for a very long time.

[Nani Sore]

Originalmente postado por ElDudorino:

Originalmente postado por Ray Garraty:

Feels like cheesing to me...

Well, yeah. If you saw my later posts, I don't even play with traders anymore in vanilla because they let you optimize the fun out of the game too easily. That's still the case whether you do every tier or not. In a sense, I kinda feel like doing trader missions at all is cheesing. But I'm just saying, if you're going for it, from a pure efficiency standpoint it makes the most sense to spam short T4s to get the T5 completion bonus.

I find that only doing trader quests which is how I have been playing for the last few Alphas ends up taking the variety out of the game and makes it get stale very fast especially because I end up targeting the T4 POIs in the snow zone to maximize loot stage until I can handle wasteland which means I end up doing the same POIs over and over again in a drab cold snowy zone.

However, it is hard to go back to looting random POIs in random zones when you are used to looting T4s in the snow biome. Anything short of the T4 snow biome trader quests brings useless loot comparatively. I sort of feel like this could be improved but not sure how.

[Reeva!]

I'd say 100% yes. 'if' you clear it first. They have the best loot. If you clear it first, then properly start the quest, it'll respawn all the loot for you to get again. That's 2 big hardened chests with extra gubbins on the way.

If you don't need loot, I'd say you're in a spot where you don't need anything, in which case, clearing it for fun is definitely an option. It's a pretty nice challenge too.