why was rebar removed?

[IRuleAll]

what was the point of removing rebar? pretty dumb that we have to keep using the primitive path of wood to stone to concrete, instead of building rebar frames and using concrete like modern construction. why was this path removed. just adjust the XP and whatnot, why completely remove something and make us sit there uprgrading the same block multiple times, with no "late game" path that was more time efficient.

[Capt. W. Schwartz]

You can now make blocks of each Crafting Material.
Frame shapes
Wood Shapes
Cobblestone Shapes
Concrete Shapes
Steel Shapes

Rebar became Concrete Shapes, watch where you place them, no pick ups.

[Skittletits]

It's a love hate thing for me. I like the change because you can go right to it, but I hate it because you lose so much xp if you don't go the upgrade route. I also kinda liked the two tiers of each, but also don't mind not having to spend more time and possibly more resources upgrading.

[Fynnister VonPeedlePoup]

I find the grind somehow relaxing and hypnotic while building with pressed wood frames then upgrading all the way to cement and beyond

[Kara]

While it is stupid that crafting blocks gives ZERO xp and only upgrading gives any xp, concrete bars are stronger. It's stupid, skinny pieces of concrete should never be stronger but logic is not used by these devs.

[Roots]

I hate not having rebar to go straight to reinforced concrete, I dont like the grey look of the new concrete compared to the reinforced texture. I also hate not having rebar because I could build my base and sort out any dimensions by picking the rebar up before filling it with concrete. Also taking away the steel block being damaged then downgrading to reinforced concrete is also stupid because the zombies are so difficult and the steel breaks after 3 demolisher zombies explode and then you atleast have concrete to tank the rest. It would still make sense to have that downgrade as you wont have a solid steel block but more of a reinforced concrete block that is covered by steel plating. This seems too difficult for late game and it will put alot of players off if they get overrun and have to start over again and again. Plus the drying phase of concrete was so good for big servers, it had reduced hp and prevents players from spamming blocks, especially with pvp. Now if someone raids you and you want to get your stuff back, they just keep placing instantly dried concrete blocks. Its broken for pvp. Just my rant

[draxthewickedone]

I liked old system where we had rebar frames, as well as "normal" concrete and reinforced concrete. Reinforced concrete also looked cool in my opinion.

I also liked wet concrete mechanics. What i did not liked is the fact that if you moved away from your freshly build structure concrete would not get dry, thus forcing you to stay near it until concrete gets dry. Now it is "solved", but not in a good way. Sort of like if you had thorn in your finger, you just cut your finger and "solve" the problem.

Now we can move away from the structure right after we build it, but we do not have wet concrete mechanics anymore, nor rebar frames nor reinforced concrete.

[SkepticJoker]

Not being able to frame out a build anymore with rebar, is undeniably a downgrade.

[Capt. W. Schwartz]

Originally posted by SkepticJoker:

Not being able to frame out a build anymore with rebar, is undeniably a downgrade.

Just use normal frames.

[Nimbull]

Frame out with wood to make sure the shape and rotation you want is right and then use a concrete shape block to match it. It's pretty snazzy to build this way. The lack of drying timers seems to help keep things running better for me.

[Violeta]

Its an advantage for players in that no more waiting to dry. Its a slight dumbing down because you no longer have to plan ahead of time.

Many, Many, Many a time I was worried my concrete wasn't going to dry in time for the horde. Thats gone now it seems,

I mean the wet system was kind of there to make working on your base during a bloodmoon hard. Now thats kinda gone?


I do miss how originally you would have a wood base the first week(s), then move somewhere else for your cobble base/concrete. Though you could always stay in the wood one, but build a cobble/concrete shell around it.

[draxthewickedone]

Originally posted by Dark:

Its an advantage for players in that no more waiting to dry. Its a slight dumbing down because you no longer have to plan ahead of time.

Many, Many, Many a time I was worried my concrete wasn't going to dry in time for the horde. Thats gone now it seems,

I mean the wet system was kind of there to make working on your base during a bloodmoon hard. Now thats kinda gone?


I do miss how originally you would have a wood base the first week(s), then move somewhere else for your cobble base/concrete. Though you could always stay in the wood one, but build a cobble/concrete shell around it.

Well, we had options that's for sure. You could go standard route, upgrading frame-wood-reinforced wood-cobble stone-concrete-reinforced concrete and eventually steel if needed. You could go sort of from mid-point, that's flag stone. Or you could go from the end, placing rebar frames and upgrading them. Each way had it's pros and cons: More experience but more materials and time, or less experience but you save materials and time. Or you could go flag stone, not exactly durable, but cheap, fast and good enough for non-horde structures while still being stronger than wood.

Now all that is gone. We have standard upgrade path, with less stages and that's it. Sure, you can go all wood, and then remove wood blocks and replace them with concrete blocks one by one, but that's just very cumbersome so i do not count it. For me it looks now it's just one way to build.

[IRuleAll]

Originally posted by SkepticJoker:

Not being able to frame out a build anymore with rebar, is undeniably a downgrade.

my biggest complaint is just time of upgrading. im an over builder, i always make bases way bigger than they need to be, because thats part of the fun for me seeing how quickly i can gather all the building mats and get it built. its not uncommon for my main base to have 3000 blocks, and it just went from 0.5 seconds of upgrading per block, to about 1.5 seconds, which is roughly 3000 extra seconds of upgrading. this is a massive QoL nerf. that is about 50 minutes extra of just standing and upgrading 3 times for every block. that is such a terrible QoL nerf for any player that loves making big bases, it makes no sense at all. and who cares about all the extra shapes(if thats the issue), leave rebar how it was with its very limited selection of shapes, it had the most basic of shapes, which is all it needs.

[Azure]

Originally posted by Kara:

While it is stupid that crafting blocks gives ZERO xp and only upgrading gives any xp, concrete bars are stronger. It's stupid, skinny pieces of concrete should never be stronger but logic is not used by these devs.

If logic were a defining factor a great many things would grind to a halt in the face of it

[templar_ths]

Should bring rebar and cement drying back, its to easy to use concrete blocks to block out zombies paths on the go, overall A20 late game is no challenge, take a bunch of blocks into a T5, hurl molotovs or grenades about to wake up everything then slaughter.

[tazman1]

not as confused about the removal of rebar as I am about the metal walls on POIS upgrading to cobblestone. Sorry that just doesn't make sense to me.