Pipe shotgun

[✚ Mariel ✚]

Why is this so bad lol? Seems like a pipe rifle with worse range, I even prefer the bow over it. Seems like the shotgun progression is kind of off since they are terrible at T1-2 and OP at 3-4. Just doesn't seem to have a niche at all til mid-late game

[Trooper Bri]

A shotgun isn't supposed to have the range of a rifle. And most folks only use the pipe shotgun early game as a close quarters moment when you're about to get smacked down.

[RasaNova]

It has its uses but yeah as mentioned above don't expect to be very useful beyond the listed effective range. We can't really compare to rifles, they have very different strengths and weaknesses. In my opinion the rifle is in fact the weakest of the pipe weapons.

[Macramé Queen]

This is dumb. No kidding a short range spread weapon can't compare to a long range precision weapon. This replaced the Blunderbuss and is better than that. The early game pipe weapons are SUPPOSED to suck. That's the point. They're just there to change up gameplay and increase survival on higher difficulties in early game.

[✚ Mariel ✚]

Originally posted by Macramé Queen:

This is dumb. No kidding a short range spread weapon can't compare to a long range precision weapon. This replaced the Blunderbuss and is better than that. The early game pipe weapons are SUPPOSED to suck. That's the point. They're just there to change up gameplay and increase survival on higher difficulties in early game.

I think you're missing the point. The pipe pistol, rifle and assault rifle are actually alright weapons, but the pipe shotgun is terrible. Anything the pipe shotgun can do the pipe rifle can do much better.

The handgun and ak-47 are pretty excellent tier 2 guns, craftable with one skill and fairly effective. The hunting rifle is kind of bad by comparison, and the double barrel shotgun is pretty bad too.

But when you get to tier 3 and the pump shotgun becomes available it suddenly becomes pretty powerful. All the tier 3 guns have their own niches.

I've never had a tier 4 gun but I assume they all have their own niches as well.

So tier 3 is pretty balanced, and presumeably so is tier 4. But in tier 1-2 the pistols and assault rifles are the best by far, and the shotgun is the worst in tier 1 by far. Even the rifle has its own niche in tier 1-2, but the t1-2 shotguns don't even have a niche, they're just bad.

So I guess the argument I'm trying to make is that shotgun at t1-2 needs changes to make it viable, otherwise there's no point in using one over any other pipe gun, the bow or a melee weapon.

[Dragonmaster]

I find the pipe shotgun does what I needs to do early on by softening up a big target for a melee wack to the face. Lot of times too it helps against quickly lowering the life of a dog for an easy melee kill.

[RasaNova]

Originally posted by Kiri:

I think you're missing the point. The pipe pistol, rifle and assault rifle are actually alright weapons, but the pipe shotgun is terrible. Anything the pipe shotgun can do the pipe rifle can do much better.

Pipe rifle can't mow a zombie down at close range, shotgun can. Pipe rifle can't knock over 2 zombies in a doorway, shotgun can. Pipe rifle doesn't benefit from strength, the most useful early game survival tree, shotgun does.

If you were comparing to the pipe MG I would agree, the balance there is way off in terms of power but the shotgun is right up there with the other 3 depending on how you use it. But I still think the rifle is worst of the bunch, unless you happen to spec into rifles from the start. MG uses the same ammo, has faster reload, is accurate at long ranges, and can quickly clear a group at close range.

[Trooper Bri]

Originally posted by Kiri:

I think you're missing the point. The pipe pistol, rifle and assault rifle are actually alright weapons, but the pipe shotgun is terrible. Anything the pipe shotgun can do the pipe rifle can do much better.

The handgun and ak-47 are pretty excellent tier 2 guns, craftable with one skill and fairly effective. The hunting rifle is kind of bad by comparison, and the double barrel shotgun is pretty bad too.

But when you get to tier 3 and the pump shotgun becomes available it suddenly becomes pretty powerful. All the tier 3 guns have their own niches.

I've never had a tier 4 gun but I assume they all have their own niches as well.

So tier 3 is pretty balanced, and presumeably so is tier 4. But in tier 1-2 the pistols and assault rifles are the best by far, and the shotgun is the worst in tier 1 by far. Even the rifle has its own niche in tier 1-2, but the t1-2 shotguns don't even have a niche, they're just bad.

So I guess the argument I'm trying to make is that shotgun at t1-2 needs changes to make it viable, otherwise there's no point in using one over any other pipe gun, the bow or a melee weapon.

Nobody is missing the point.

It looks like you're fairly new to 7D2D and don't understand the weapon tier system. And comparing a rifle to a shotgun is oranges/apples. Nobody hunts deer at 100 yards with a scatter gun, and nobody uses a rifle for close quarters action. I own guns IRL, including one of my favs. A Mossberg 500 Breecher that I made a lot nastier. What it will do at point blank range is brutal.

It's a bit comical that everyone that has trouble in the game early on comes here saying the game "needs" changing. When in fact you just need to put in more hours.

Again. Pipe weapons are early tier, and should be treated as such as they are meant to be used.

[Macramé Queen]

Originally posted by Kiri:

Originally posted by Macramé Queen:

This is dumb. No kidding a short range spread weapon can't compare to a long range precision weapon. This replaced the Blunderbuss and is better than that. The early game pipe weapons are SUPPOSED to suck. That's the point. They're just there to change up gameplay and increase survival on higher difficulties in early game.

I think you're missing the point. The pipe pistol, rifle and assault rifle are actually alright weapons, but the pipe shotgun is terrible. Anything the pipe shotgun can do the pipe rifle can do much better.

The handgun and ak-47 are pretty excellent tier 2 guns, craftable with one skill and fairly effective. The hunting rifle is kind of bad by comparison, and the double barrel shotgun is pretty bad too.

But when you get to tier 3 and the pump shotgun becomes available it suddenly becomes pretty powerful. All the tier 3 guns have their own niches.

I've never had a tier 4 gun but I assume they all have their own niches as well.

So tier 3 is pretty balanced, and presumeably so is tier 4. But in tier 1-2 the pistols and assault rifles are the best by far, and the shotgun is the worst in tier 1 by far. Even the rifle has its own niche in tier 1-2, but the t1-2 shotguns don't even have a niche, they're just bad.

So I guess the argument I'm trying to make is that shotgun at t1-2 needs changes to make it viable, otherwise there's no point in using one over any other pipe gun, the bow or a melee weapon.

This is hilarious. I know other folks have weighed in already but holy ♥♥♥♥ how are you this clueless? In a cramped setting such as in hallways, doorways and so on, the pipe shotgun is brutal. It can knock down three zombies at once allowing for a getaway or multiple hits with a melee weapon. Nothing else can do that! Not the bow, not a sledge, not a rifle, not a pistol. Honestly how you've somehow missed the basic functionality of a shotgun in a video game is legit beyond me.

[Azure]

The Pipeshitgun exists to show you how much better the sawn off shotgun actually is

[Nimbull]

I do miss the blunder bus. That was just a fun gun to use. Pipe shotgun is fine in a pinch but really I would rather have the blunder bus as an early shotgun type. The reloading animation was awesome.

[vonVile]

Pipe shotgun is trash. Bring back the blunderbuss!!!

There's was no reason to add the pipe shotgun to the game and remove a great weapon that already did the same job, but way better. I don't even waste my time making the pipe shotgun and wait until I can buy the twin barrel shotgun or something better. If I happen to find a pipe shotgun I'll only use it for an emergency, since the load animation is slow being all flash, not practical. This isn't a Hollywood movie where loading a weapon has too look cool as hell.

Somebody needs to make a blunderbuss mod.

[Trooper Bri]

Originally posted by vonVile:

Pipe shotgun is trash. Bring back the blunderbuss!!!

There's was no reason to add the pipe shotgun to the game and remove a great weapon that already did the same job, but way better. I don't even waste my time making the pipe shotgun and wait until I can buy the twin barrel shotgun or something better. If I happen to find a pipe shotgun I'll only use it for an emergency, since the load animation is slow being all flash, not practical. This isn't a Hollywood movie where loading a weapon has too look cool as hell.

Somebody needs to make a blunderbuss mod.

The Blunderbuss was fun, especially when you had 2 or 3 on your hot bar. But who in 2022 is dedicated to reviving the British Land Pattern musket technology of the 1700's? Do I buy it with British farthings?
Three ranges... Scatter gun, pistol, rifle/semi-auto.
The pipe shotty is cheap and easy to craft as the Blunderbuss is, without pointless crap in the game. Put as many on your hot bar as needed.

[Humpenstilzchen]

I think the pipe shotgun is ok though I wish it would reload slightly faster.

[✚ Mariel ✚]

Originally posted by Trooper Bri:

Originally posted by Kiri:

I think you're missing the point. The pipe pistol, rifle and assault rifle are actually alright weapons, but the pipe shotgun is terrible. Anything the pipe shotgun can do the pipe rifle can do much better.

The handgun and ak-47 are pretty excellent tier 2 guns, craftable with one skill and fairly effective. The hunting rifle is kind of bad by comparison, and the double barrel shotgun is pretty bad too.

But when you get to tier 3 and the pump shotgun becomes available it suddenly becomes pretty powerful. All the tier 3 guns have their own niches.

I've never had a tier 4 gun but I assume they all have their own niches as well.

So tier 3 is pretty balanced, and presumeably so is tier 4. But in tier 1-2 the pistols and assault rifles are the best by far, and the shotgun is the worst in tier 1 by far. Even the rifle has its own niche in tier 1-2, but the t1-2 shotguns don't even have a niche, they're just bad.

So I guess the argument I'm trying to make is that shotgun at t1-2 needs changes to make it viable, otherwise there's no point in using one over any other pipe gun, the bow or a melee weapon.

Nobody is missing the point.

It looks like you're fairly new to 7D2D and don't understand the weapon tier system. And comparing a rifle to a shotgun is oranges/apples. Nobody hunts deer at 100 yards with a scatter gun, and nobody uses a rifle for close quarters action. I own guns IRL, including one of my favs. A Mossberg 500 Breecher that I made a lot nastier. What it will do at point blank range is brutal.

It's a bit comical that everyone that has trouble in the game early on comes here saying the game "needs" changing. When in fact you just need to put in more hours.

Again. Pipe weapons are early tier, and should be treated as such as they are meant to be used.

I'm not having any problems in the game, there are much better alternatives to the pipe shotgun and which are rather strong, so the existence of a crappy weapon that I never use is no problem to me. The only reason I think it would be nice to have it changed is because it would make the early game a bit more interesting to have an extra weapon that is actually viable.

Reading your post makes me think I somehow hit a nerve and upset you. I'm arguing in good faith here so please be civil, and if I somehow upset you then be assured I didn't intend to.

[Crashtian]

Idk the pipe shotgun isn't that great I agree. But pipe weapons really really expanded the game play of the first two whole days of the game, which if we're being honest was the fix the end game of 7dtd needed.