Auger/chainsaw.

[Fullgrim]

i have a few things to add for this little rant im going to do.

Auger/Chainsaw are not worth it. yes you get faster resources but you also get alot of trouble with them. Heatmap.

So if you are like who actually likes fast and naughty and is gonna use these two well dont.

Fact is pick axe shovel and axe does things better on loong run.
YOu get more out of it...

Auger and chainsaw only makes things go fast and than hmmm less resources... why is this a thing?

So shall we add a bit more to it... if you go shovel and axe/pick axe well you get more without much trouble. Auger/chainsaw... why would you use them they are screamer magnets... soo you kinda end up like this.


You mine normally and cutting down shovling around with normal tools all you need is food and keep your stam up... and a few good old weapons nothing fancy...

Auger/chainsaw you are using gas wich is okay to get or make but you will be needing medkits and other pharmacies to keep you going... why? cause you have to defend yourself each 5mins. So that does mean you need a bit better weaponry and alot of ammo. and repair kits....

my question is why would you use chainaxe/auger again? why? so in 30mins you have around 25k ress when you can farm it a bit more time without being overrun? soo again why would you use it?

[Shurenai]

Well..Simply put, Auger and chainsaw are tools you would use with proper preparation.

Set up a tree farm, Enclose it in walls, place traps/spikes/etc around the walls; And then you can come chainsaw the enclosure down on a whim and not even see a screamer. Do remember that screamers do NOT summon zombies unless they SEE the player.

Same with mining. Set up a perimeter fence with some traps and you can go to town without being interrupted by screamers constantly.

Done properly, you have 25k MORE in the same time, not less.

Edit: Also to note, 1: It's now known as the Activity Map, because a lotta people keep confusing 'Heat Map' with thermal temperature. And 2: mining Iron makes significantly more activity for the map than mining any other material. So for iron specifically, if you're doing it with an auger you absolutely need defenses. Even with a pickaxe at full clip mining iron you'll spawn screamers.

[Azure]

Don't really use the Chainsaw but the Auger makes tunneling a lot faster and as much as i like mining i'd rather do the long haul digging in stone as fast as possible so i can get to where i want to be for what I'm digging that access for. Then once you have the tunnels dug you can take your time and pickaxe it to suit or to mine out the resources you need.

I like to put my forges under crossroads, in my current game the nearest crossroad by surface isn't that far but to dig a tunnel to it with a iron tool is a lot of time i'd rather be doing something else so for now my forges sit in a heavily reinforce section of the base but as soon as we find a Auger I'm drilling out to the road and down to the crossroads so that when the heat that the forges produces starts spawning screamers all the time we can snipe them from the roof.

The Heat the Auger makes is nothing compared to the forges in full swing. And I'm fairly confident i could do the tunnel in a night or so vs the many nights a iron pick could.

[[-=O=-]^FightinCock]

but some of us want screamers... ;)

https://youtu.be/JzR8OV9OpEE

[Fullgrim]

ohh yeah some of us doo but we are talking about farming here. :) not screamer setup :) ofc if you are gonna make it harder for yourself its a good way to do so:)

[Fullgrim]

Well..Simply put, Auger and chainsaw are tools you would use with proper preparation.

Set up a tree farm, Enclose it in walls, place traps/spikes/etc around the walls; And then you can come chainsaw the enclosure down on a whim and not even see a screamer. Do remember that screamers do NOT summon zombies unless they SEE the player.

Same with mining. Set up a perimeter fence with some traps and you can go to town without being interrupted by screamers constantly.

Done properly, you have 25k MORE in the same time, not less.

Edit: Also to note, 1: It's now known as the Activity Map, because a lotta people keep confusing 'Heat Map' with thermal temperature. And 2: mining Iron makes significantly more activity for the map than mining any other material. So for iron specifically, if you're doing it with an auger you absolutely need defenses. Even with a pickaxe at full clip mining iron you'll spawn screamers.


LOL is that true? no it isnt.... fact is zombies knows your weaknesses on structures and such so they will make an entry. so again useless advice here... fact is you shouldnt use them for farming. Best thing is use more time to get resources and get more of it...

so shall we take a look at the resource you gather with pick axe and axe and shovel compared to chainsaw/augers? cause it really sound like you havent tested this but i have.
YOu can get more by saving other resources and use the basick tools than endgame. Thats kinda insane when you think about it. Why would you put yourself in danger when farming? why? so again pretty useless tbh. Thing is they should give you more. not by much but a bit more or around the same. that be fine but you get less.... thats stupid! and we both know this. pls test it for yourself!

[Fullgrim]

Originally posted by AzureTerra:

Don't really use the Chainsaw but the Auger makes tunneling a lot faster and as much as i like mining i'd rather do the long haul digging in stone as fast as possible so i can get to where i want to be for what I'm digging that access for. Then once you have the tunnels dug you can take your time and pickaxe it to suit or to mine out the resources you need.

I like to put my forges under crossroads, in my current game the nearest crossroad by surface isn't that far but to dig a tunnel to it with a iron tool is a lot of time i'd rather be doing something else so for now my forges sit in a heavily reinforce section of the base but as soon as we find a Auger I'm drilling out to the road and down to the crossroads so that when the heat that the forges produces starts spawning screamers all the time we can snipe them from the roof.

The Heat the Auger makes is nothing compared to the forges in full swing. And I'm fairly confident i could do the tunnel in a night or so vs the many nights a iron pick could.

no it is actually worse. if you are clearing a road and actually test it... than you will see my point. Else very good answer.

[Shurenai]

Originally posted by Fullgrim:

LOL is that true? no it isnt.... fact is zombies knows your weaknesses on structures and such so they will make an entry. so again useless advice here... fact is you shouldnt use them for farming. Best thing is use more time to get resources and get more of it...

so shall we take a look at the resource you gather with pick axe and axe and shovel compared to chainsaw/augers? cause it really sound like you havent tested this but i have.
YOu can get more by saving other resources and use the basick tools than endgame. Thats kinda insane when you think about it. Why would you put yourself in danger when farming? why? so again pretty useless tbh. Thing is they should give you more. not by much but a bit more or around the same. that be fine but you get less.... thats stupid! and we both know this. pls test it for yourself!

I've tested it plenty. Blocks are set to give a specific amount of resources when mined in entirety; A block of stone will give, for the sake of example, 100 stone(then magnified by your Motherload perk level), whether you mine it by punching it, stone axing it, iron pickaxing it, steel pickaxing it, or augering it. However, each one of these things does the task faster and faster than the one before it. The amount of stone you get per 'strike' also depends on this; If you do it all in one hit, you'll get 100 stone in one hit. If you do it in 100 hits, you'll get 1 stone each hit- But it ultimately adds up to the blocks resource value in the end.

So, Augur = significantly faster mining than a pickaxe = more resources per minute spent.

And the zombies only make use of weaknesses on structures if they know you are there. And as mentioned, screamers only know you are there and scream to spawn zombies if she SEES you. If you prevent her from seeing you, she'll just wander into the spikes you put down like a dunce.

Zombies do not aggro upon hearing- only upon sight. They will approach your location due to sound, but are not actually aggressive unless they have seen the player.

[Fullgrim]

Originally posted by Shurenai:

Originally posted by Fullgrim:

LOL is that true? no it isnt.... fact is zombies knows your weaknesses on structures and such so they will make an entry. so again useless advice here... fact is you shouldnt use them for farming. Best thing is use more time to get resources and get more of it...

so shall we take a look at the resource you gather with pick axe and axe and shovel compared to chainsaw/augers? cause it really sound like you havent tested this but i have.
YOu can get more by saving other resources and use the basick tools than endgame. Thats kinda insane when you think about it. Why would you put yourself in danger when farming? why? so again pretty useless tbh. Thing is they should give you more. not by much but a bit more or around the same. that be fine but you get less.... thats stupid! and we both know this. pls test it for yourself!

I've tested it plenty. Blocks are set to give a specific amount of resources when mined in entirety; A block of stone will give, for the sake of example, 100 stone(then magnified by your Motherload perk level), whether you mine it by punching it, stone axing it, iron pickaxing it, steel pickaxing it, or augering it. However, each one of these things does the task faster and faster than the one before it. The amount of stone you get per 'strike' also depends on this; If you do it all in one hit, you'll get 100 stone in one hit. If you do it in 100 hits, you'll get 1 stone each hit- But it ultimately adds up to the blocks resource value in the end.

So, Augur = significantly faster mining than a pickaxe = more resources per minute spent.

And the zombies only make use of weaknesses on structures if they know you are there. And as mentioned, screamers only know you are there and scream to spawn zombies if she SEES you. If you prevent her from seeing you, she'll just wander into the spikes you put down like a dunce.

Zombies do not aggro upon hearing- only upon sight. They will approach your location due to sound, but are not actually aggressive unless they have seen the player.

So, Augur = significantly faster mining than a pickaxe = more resources per minute spent. duh makes sense... but we are not talking about short term here think a bit more loong term. seriously do i relaly have to say it again! you get less! YOU GET LESS! it just doesnt pay off to use those tools! SINCE YOU GET LESS! you end up spending more resources your way! than just to use axe pick axe and the shovel! thats MY POINT! made myself clear now?

so to build protection around your base is a very good idea but around resources? really why? it just doesnt make sense to me to farm more than i have to make protection that they will go through... they know the weakpoints! they will tear it apart at later game stages it will take them seconds! not mins! but seconds! jesus... try a bit harder... you are not making sense here.

a screamer keeps screaming=trouble! two screamers keeps screaming=double the amount of trouble! and at later games stages you will get more of them! ergo you get more trouble!. you spend more time fighting and defending yourself than actually farming!
and thats if we are remoing roads or whatever and not in a tunnel! mind you.

so if you are in a tunnel yeah they get to you eventually cause they know where you are (wich makes no sense but hey) so unless you whant that to fall on your head you need pillars and such wich makes sense so thats fine... or dig carefully. wich is fine too! or dont use it and be at peace... and get more resources huuuu... try again!

[Andy_M1919]

Honestly I just use them to break through doors and structures when I don't have any C4

[Shurenai]

Originally posted by Fullgrim:

Originally posted by Shurenai:

I've tested it plenty. Blocks are set to give a specific amount of resources when mined in entirety; A block of stone will give, for the sake of example, 100 stone(then magnified by your Motherload perk level), whether you mine it by punching it, stone axing it, iron pickaxing it, steel pickaxing it, or augering it. However, each one of these things does the task faster and faster than the one before it. The amount of stone you get per 'strike' also depends on this; If you do it all in one hit, you'll get 100 stone in one hit. If you do it in 100 hits, you'll get 1 stone each hit- But it ultimately adds up to the blocks resource value in the end.

So, Augur = significantly faster mining than a pickaxe = more resources per minute spent.

And the zombies only make use of weaknesses on structures if they know you are there. And as mentioned, screamers only know you are there and scream to spawn zombies if she SEES you. If you prevent her from seeing you, she'll just wander into the spikes you put down like a dunce.

Zombies do not aggro upon hearing- only upon sight. They will approach your location due to sound, but are not actually aggressive unless they have seen the player.

So, Augur = significantly faster mining than a pickaxe = more resources per minute spent. duh makes sense... but we are not talking about short term here think a bit more loong term. seriously do i relaly have to say it again! you get less! YOU GET LESS! it just doesnt pay off to use those tools! SINCE YOU GET LESS! you end up spending more resources your way! than just to use axe pick axe and the shovel! thats MY POINT! made myself clear now?

so to build protection around your base is a very good idea but around resources? really why? it just doesnt make sense to me to farm more than i have to make protection that they will go through... they know the weakpoints! they will tear it apart at later game stages it will take them seconds! not mins! but seconds! jesus... try a bit harder... you are not making sense here.

a screamer keeps screaming=trouble! two screamers keeps screaming=double the amount of trouble! and at later games stages you will get more of them! ergo you get more trouble!. you spend more time fighting and defending yourself than actually farming!
and thats if we are remoing roads or whatever and not in a tunnel! mind you.

so if you are in a tunnel yeah they get to you eventually cause they know where you are (wich makes no sense but hey) so unless you whant that to fall on your head you need pillars and such wich makes sense so thats fine... or dig carefully. wich is fine too! or dont use it and be at peace... and get more resources huuuu... try again!

If it has more resources per minute (read, short term), it will have more resources per 30 minutes, or per hour, or per day.
100 resources per minute is 1,000 per 10 minutes, 10,000 per 100 minutes. The limiting factor with an auger is being interrupted- If you can stop that with a small investment, then you can mine SIGNIFICANTLY faster.

In the time it takes you to pickaxe a block, an auger will have mined one and likely two and more. Even if you say it's just 1.5x as fast, that means that in the time you pickaxe 1 stack of material, the auger will have done 1.5 stacks.

It's not as if your walls need to be super fancy either- Make it out of flagstone, bit of clay and bit of stone and you have a wall. Surround it with wood spikes from your protected tree farm and you're golden.

Time is a valuable resource. You can only get so much done in a game day.

Let's say you have 100 trees. It takes you 20 seconds per tree to chop with an axe; That's 30 minutes spent chopping trees. With a chainsaw it takes you 5 seconds, but you need to spend a small portion of that wood and a small amount of time upkeeping the spikes around the wall. That takes you 8 minutes.

Tack on an extra 2 for a lap around your enclosure repairing spikes, and you've still gained 20 minutes worth of time for a tiny expenditure. You could then have 3x as many trees for chainsawing and get it done in the same time as it takes you to do the original amount with an axe.

Mathematically speaking, Doing it faster is more resources for the time spent. A minor investment for screamer safety can save you a lot of time. Even with the minor investment, you can earn that investment back within the time saved and still be significantly ahead.

But if you DONT put in that tiny investment for a wall and traps, then the screamers harassing you will suck up any time saved by using the auger or chainsaw.


I dunno about you, But I'll take spending 500~ clay, 500~ stone, and 500~ wood to make a small enclosure in order to do things in a fraction of the time any day. You're welcome to insist pickaxe is better.....But you're mathematically incorrect.

[Fullgrim]

siigh" i give up risk and rewards auger chainsaw not worth it... reason being you still get less overall and not per min... or per hour it is per hit. Plus also i can mine for days and daaaays with pickaxe without anything happending same with cutting trees and digging...

where chainsaw/auger 5mins heres comes jhonny! and then you be mocked up pretty badly if you dont take care of them....


so per hit=less=less rewards=dont use them for endgame tools thats ♥♥♥♥ and bad... badly made badly implimented... i could understand you farm faster and get more per hit.... but fact is you only get to farm faster but get less... so again why would you use it?

so 7fireplaces for your screamer base naah you need a friend and than use chainsaw auger and tadaaa screamers are now comming at you within 5mins so yeah. thats the only use i see for them.. and not even that is a smart move... so stand down wait a bit and you be just fine with the fires... so basickly use a bit of extra time and you be just fine and you will haul more resources good luck!

[MoistGamer]

Now... i know its subjective because each play how we want, but this is so wrong (in my opinion)

"Trouble???" Youre in a closed off mine with one hole at the top. You put your junk turret behind you... you have your AK with 100000 rounds on you. Who cares? What trouble!!!! I for one welcome the 6 zombies it brings. You dont see them wandering around otherwise. They stumble down the little hole at the top, fall down to the bottom, you ice each one that lands there, then its all quiet. and you go mine again.

I mean theres no argument for it. Due to GS loot you already have epic weapons by the time you have an auger anyway.

Chainsaw... maybe I could see your argument. The steel axe gets rid of a tree in a split second. But if you want big scale gunpowder, bullet tips, an auger is needed.... and theres no "trouble" coming your way for using one.

and I dont need to test it :) Ive been testing it for years. Just go in your mine, put down your junk turret, make sure to turn around every few minutes?

Anyway, just an opinion - play how you will, have fun!

[Azure]

Has the way they spawn changed? I have no experiance with them spawning underground while I am actively mining. I noticed a few zombies path over my iron pit the other night as its fairly close to the surface but didn't think it odd since that pit is on a path we have had several hordes come in on and i always full the top over with frames. Although in more extensive mines i have dug in the past installed doors in at junctions/points along tunnels in case the out surface doors were ever breached.

[Brevan]

I didn't see it mentioned, but I think where the Auger really shines is after you've completed the Mining books, so you have a chance to 1-shot any ore. Since the Auger attacks super fast, you almost never need to completely mine ore anymore. Once when I was digging downwards (prepping for a support column) I one-shot enough blocks in a row that I sprained a leg when I landed on regular stone. The Auger has the potential to mine crazy-fast.

Also, just for the lols, consider putting in the heavy-head (knock-down) mod in a chainsaw and use it for crowd control. It's not epic, but not bad. I'm not sure this is possible in A19 though.

[Jonnson]

Originally posted by Fullgrim:

i have a few things to add for this little rant im going to do.

Auger/Chainsaw are not worth it. yes you get faster resources but you also get alot of trouble with them. Heatmap.

So if you are like who actually likes fast and naughty and is gonna use these two well dont.

Fact is pick axe shovel and axe does things better on loong run.
YOu get more out of it...

Auger and chainsaw only makes things go fast and than hmmm less resources... why is this a thing?

So shall we add a bit more to it... if you go shovel and axe/pick axe well you get more without much trouble. Auger/chainsaw... why would you use them they are screamer magnets... soo you kinda end up like this.


You mine normally and cutting down shovling around with normal tools all you need is food and keep your stam up... and a few good old weapons nothing fancy...

Auger/chainsaw you are using gas wich is okay to get or make but you will be needing medkits and other pharmacies to keep you going... why? cause you have to defend yourself each 5mins. So that does mean you need a bit better weaponry and alot of ammo. and repair kits....

my question is why would you use chainaxe/auger again? why? so in 30mins you have around 25k ress when you can farm it a bit more time without being overrun? soo again why would you use it?

https://youtu.be/4h_4g2UJGL8

eh, thats about 100k in 10 minutes.