Spider zombies are cheating

[PaceyLionheart]

They can clip through blocks and hit you through them. Please fix that. Bloodmoons are literally no fun when this happens... broken af. Now my base strength is suffering a lot because I have to replace steel blocks at the bottom with bars. Just great. Funny thing is I already installed a mod that makes zombie reach a bit more realistic, but that does not help, when the spider zombies arms and head are literally on my side of the block. Also am I the only one who thinks bug fixes in gameplay matter more than new content?

[...👑 JOST AMMAN 👑...]

I agree (on the clipping part).
Sometimes I can even hit zombies on the other side of the door when they clip through.

As for the bugs... the more we get near gold, the more they'll be focused on fixing stuff.

[JimmyIowa]

Bears and wolves too. Pretty much anything that is longer than it is tall. Though I only see it with doors, not wall.

Originally posted by PaceyLionheart:

Also am I the only one who thinks bug fixes in gameplay matter more than new content?

You are in a very very small minority yes. For example lots of people have been yelling for drones and bandits no matter how buggy and clunky they currently are. People use a bandit mod that adds in almost totally non-functional buggy bandits as a substitute in the meantime.

Stand back 1 step and the problem is solved. It isn't exactly game breaking.

[Jo]

At least they can't climb walls anymore! That was annoying.

I agree they should fix the clipping. I mean what is the point of putting a hatch in to protect you when they can still hit you through it?

[vgifford]

Spider zombies are great...

https://clips.twitch.tv/AlertFlaccidDogPraiseIt

[Midas]

What? It's great, you can shoot them without having to lower the barrier. You'd need an explosive or some attack from the outside to kill them otherwise.

Also don't be pressed right up against the block. Most zombies can reach that far with some attacks.

[RasaNova]

Yep I'm guessing that each mob has its "center" which is used for calculating its position relative to the environment, so any horizontal oriented mob will extend beyond that center and slightly clip through things. I see it with doors, bars, fences, and hatches but don't think I've seen it on a full-thickness block.

A little annoying, but mostly harmless... It's easy to stay out of reach, and also keep in mind it works BOTH ways, you can hit them too. The biggest damage it causes is to my sense of immersion.

[KippenKaasBaas]

I agree that it's an annoyance.
If you come to close they'll break your legs because they can attack you right trough the hatch. And if you try to shoot them chances are pretty high you'll be shooting and damaging your own hatch instead of mister spider.

[PaceyLionheart]

Originally posted by RasaNova:

Yep I'm guessing that each mob has its "center" which is used for calculating its position relative to the environment, so any horizontal oriented mob will extend beyond that center and slightly clip through things. I see it with doors, bars, fences, and hatches but don't think I've seen it on a full-thickness block.

A little annoying, but mostly harmless... It's easy to stay out of reach, and also keep in mind it works BOTH ways, you can hit them too. The biggest damage it causes is to my sense of immersion.

The problem is on insane when they are together inside the blocks you can not step forward step backward strat them, because one of them always hits you. And they hit like a truck.

[JimmyIowa]

Originally posted by PaceyLionheart:

The problem is on insane when they are together inside the blocks you can not step forward step backward strat them, because one of them always hits you. And they hit like a truck.

You outrange them, even with knife and fists. The difficulty has nothing to do with it. And I just tested on on insane, a spider does about 11 pts of damage if you are in light armor. Your situation is even easier than fighting two spiders which are not trapped by a door, such as in a POI. And everyone does that.

Just before I posted this, on insane I spawned 3 spiders in the open on the ground and easily killed them with fists while wearing no armor, to make sure nothing about their range has changed in a recent update. I took one hit total for about 20 health.

[PaceyLionheart]

Originally posted by JimmyIowa:

Originally posted by PaceyLionheart:

The problem is on insane when they are together inside the blocks you can not step forward step backward strat them, because one of them always hits you. And they hit like a truck.

You outrange them, even with knife and fists. The difficulty has nothing to do with it. And I just tested on on insane, a spider does about 11 pts of damage if you are in light armor. Your situation is even easier than fighting two spiders which are not trapped by a door, such as in a POI. And everyone does that.

Just before I posted this, on insane I spawned 3 spiders in the open on the ground and easily killed them with fists while wearing no armor, to make sure nothing about their range has changed in a recent update. I took one hit total for about 20 health.

Yeah sure, you did. In the next bloodmoon I record my footage and you can tell me, if I outrange them with my machete in the situation I am in. So sick of people trying to prove me I am wrong. I feel like this game has stans that protect every unbalanced and unfair aspect of the game no matter what. Which will be its downfall eventually... sigh

[Azure]

I miss the climbing

[JimmyIowa]

Originally posted by PaceyLionheart:

In the next bloodmoon I record my footage and you can tell me, if I outrange them with my machete in the situation I am in.

You don't have to record anything. We all play the same game. Unless you are playing mods, there's nothing special about you or your situation from what any of us do when we play.

btw - Machete has a range of 2.3. meleeHandZombie01 has a range of 1.65.

Originally posted by PaceyLionheart:

So sick of people trying to prove me I am wrong.

I didn't say you were wrong. I completely believe you are having trouble with the game. So I actually think you were right.

All I did was to let you know you outrange them (unless you are fighting with bare empty hands). I also let you know we all fight spiders. We know what it's like. You aren't doing something extra special amazing that no one else has ever faced. :)

Stay calm and don't start raging at (or insulting) the people trying to help you.

[JimmyIowa]

Originally posted by AzureTerra:

I miss the climbing

Yeah, forward leap AND climbing (depending on situation) would be cool. Though climbing was easily defeated by adding a half block overhang to base walls.

[BigRowdy]

Clipping seems to be worse in the current alphas than say A17? I dont remember exactly, but Clipping is something I have not seen in a long while. Well not to this extent.

[Khissi]

I dunno... I observe, then change my play-style or way of building to fit their ability. I USE that clipping ability to my own advantage and have been fairly successful, though, having an entire bear clip through was a bit excessive even if you consider the huge wave that was pushing him from behind. So... time to change the horde base design.

Putting iron bars back to back and paying attention to when they needed to be repaired made a huge difference and worked well until I changed my base style to reflect some other issues I wanted to address. Elevating the base, creating a single path corridor and putting back to back steel poles across your melee area is the best way I've found. Yes, they can reach through, so, put something on the floor to give you an idea where to stand, and send them all to heck. You can shoot them with ease though, it is so much more satisfying to crush their stinking heads. Hate those spiders.