7 Days 2 Trade

[Palad1n]

That is what the game feels like now, as currently there is no incentive / reason to go out and loot, explore, etc.

The game pushes players to use the Traders for obtaining missions with high rewards and lots of dukes. With just 7-10 missions under my belt, I am already well geared with armor, a few weapons, etc.

This doesn't feel at all like a survival game with all these Traders available. No default mode selection to remove them.

It would be nice to have a common core feature that allows server admins to return the game back to it's roots, which involves actual exploring, looting, bartering with other players, all without the interference of these Traders who somehow come across lots of high end goods from thin air.

I remember several years ago when folks had to actually go out and survive, with NO traders in game.

[BigRowdy]

Цитата допису Misery1ndex:

Цитата допису BigRowdy:

ming is almost always helpful and never salty, so dont know where that came from
My rig is i7 only 2800k
wide open bus and 32 gb ram. do have an old platter drive though

Who knows. i highly doubt she has this 9-10 minute random world gen time. Anyone on the internet can make up any claim they want, without having proof. took me 27 minutes, and im on a Ryzen 7 2700x with a GTX1070 and 32GB of ram and on an SSD. Most certainly not trash and can handle any game ive thrown at it maxed out.

This is still an alpha game and not very good, but stupidly fun so i feel its more on the games end, and less on the hardware. but i might be wrong(probably)

I hear that ryzen 7 is stupidly fast..is that just hype?

[Misery1ndex]

the Ryzen cpu's are just stupidly good(only intel fanbois will disagree). No game ive ran on this PC can touch it. Though mine is quite old now, but until it starts showing its age i'll rebuild and get whatever the current one is. But for now, this cpu is still a beast.

[BigRowdy]

Цитата допису Misery1ndex:

the Ryzen cpu's are just stupidly good(only intel fanbois will disagree). No game ive ran on this PC can touch it. Though mine is quite old now, but until it starts showing its age i'll rebuild and get whatever the current one is. But for now, this cpu is still a beast.

Thanks for that. I've never been a ford/chevy debate guy. whatever workds the best for the money is good for me..

[Tech Enthusiast]

Don't buy into the blind "AMD is better" either tho.

AMD is indeed better VALUE and better at WORKTASKS, but for Gaming... any i9 usually beats them. Less so for 7d2d possibly, but for strategy games and all the other single core game engines,.. nothing beats an i9 right now.

Zen 3 might and likely will, but flat out claiming Ryzen is currently "the best" is not giving the whole story. Gaming is actually the very last and only part Intel still has locked down. Not by a huge margin, mind you, but still.

[Lady MacBeth]

Цитата допису BigRowdy:

Цитата допису Ming:

People waiting that long have trash pcs though. Mine takes a whole 9 to 10 minutes to generate an 8k x 8k world. No problems with missing traders either.

Thanks for dissing my rig.

Sorry, bad day at work, and was browsing forums in between phone calls. Wasn't meaning to refer to your machine in particular. My point was that those numbers seem massively out of disproportion to what I see on my computer using advanced generation.

Цитата допису Misery1ndex:

Цитата допису BigRowdy:

ming is almost always helpful and never salty, so dont know where that came from
My rig is i7 only 2800k
wide open bus and 32 gb ram. do have an old platter drive though

Who knows. i highly doubt she has this 9-10 minute random world gen time. Anyone on the internet can make up any claim they want, without having proof. took me 27 minutes, and im on a Ryzen 7 2700x with a GTX1070 and 32GB of ram and on an SSD. Most certainly not trash and can handle any game ive thrown at it maxed out.

This is still an alpha game and not very good, but stupidly fun so i feel its more on the games end, and less on the hardware. but i might be wrong(probably)

It tells you how long it took to generate it if you sit there and wait for it. Now I do go into advanced generation and have it do it there. So I don't know if that makes a difference or not. But so far the longest I have waited in A19 is 11 minutes and some seconds.
ryzen 5 3600x 16gb 3200mhz ram 1tb ssd doubt video card matters for world generation but its an 8gb 1070TI

I will see if there are logs that show it. I would rather not have to generate a world just to try to snap a screenshot showing the completion time if I can avoid it, as its only on the screen for a few seconds.

There are indeed world generation logs if you go into your generated worlds folder. Here is a copy paste of my current b173 world:

World Name: South Modugi County
Original Seed: Springfield
Biome Weight (Snow): 1
Biome Weight (Pine): 2
Biome Weight (Burnt): 1
Biome Weight (Desert): 1
Biome Weight (Wasteland): 1
Data Export Time: 3 minutes 14 seconds
Total Generation Time: 10 minutes 34 seconds

[Misery1ndex]

Цитата допису Tech Enthusiast:

Don't buy into the blind "AMD is better" either tho.

AMD is indeed better VALUE and better at WORKTASKS, but for Gaming... any i9 usually beats them. Less so for 7d2d possibly, but for strategy games and all the other single core game engines,.. nothing beats an i9 right now.

Zen 3 might and likely will, but flat out claiming Ryzen is currently "the best" is not giving the whole story. Gaming is actually the very last and only part Intel still has locked down. Not by a huge margin, mind you, but still.

Atleast AMD has stepped up their game and actually can compete with intel now, instead of being leagues and leagues behind like they were for so long. I havent owned an intel cpu in like 15 years and ive had 0 issues with my current, or previous amd cpu's. I just call the AMD/Intel war 50/50 because why not. I don't really care which one is better or not. my performace with any game is excellent so thats all that matters to me.

[Tech Enthusiast]

Or, don't get me wrong. AMD is leaps and BOUNDS ahead right now and will just be more ahead with Zen 3.
Just claiming they are better in every aspect is false. There is the one tiny niche of gaming, where Intel still has a very tiny lead at the very high end. Most people will not notice the difference at all, unless playing real single core games. :-)

[Misery1ndex]

Цитата допису Ming:

Цитата допису BigRowdy:

Thanks for dissing my rig.

Sorry, bad day at work, and was browsing forums in between phone calls. Wasn't meaning to refer to your machine in particular. My point was that those numbers seem massively out of disproportion to what I see on my computer using advanced generation.

Цитата допису Misery1ndex:

Who knows. i highly doubt she has this 9-10 minute random world gen time. Anyone on the internet can make up any claim they want, without having proof. took me 27 minutes, and im on a Ryzen 7 2700x with a GTX1070 and 32GB of ram and on an SSD. Most certainly not trash and can handle any game ive thrown at it maxed out.

This is still an alpha game and not very good, but stupidly fun so i feel its more on the games end, and less on the hardware. but i might be wrong(probably)

It tells you how long it took to generate it if you sit there and wait for it. Now I do go into advanced generation and have it do it there. So I don't know if that makes a difference or not. But so far the longest I have waited in A19 is 11 minutes and some seconds.
ryzen 5 3600x 16gb 3200mhz ram 1tb ssd doubt video card matters for world generation but its an 8gb 1070TI

I will see if there are logs that show it. I would rather not have to generate a world just to try to snap a screenshot showing the completion time if I can avoid it, as its only on the screen for a few seconds.

There are indeed world generation logs if you go into your generated worlds folder. Here is a copy paste of my current b173 world:

World Name: South Modugi County
Original Seed: Springfield
Biome Weight (Snow): 1
Biome Weight (Pine): 2
Biome Weight (Burnt): 1
Biome Weight (Desert): 1
Biome Weight (Wasteland): 1
Data Export Time: 3 minutes 14 seconds
Total Generation Time: 10 minutes 34 seconds

Hm interesting. your processor is older than mine, by quite a lot, i have twice your ram and im on a 1TB ssd as well and it took me 27 minutes to do a normal random world gen. That doesnt make any sense

[Lady MacBeth]

Цитата допису Misery1ndex:

Цитата допису Ming:

Sorry, bad day at work, and was browsing forums in between phone calls. Wasn't meaning to refer to your machine in particular. My point was that those numbers seem massively out of disproportion to what I see on my computer using advanced generation.



It tells you how long it took to generate it if you sit there and wait for it. Now I do go into advanced generation and have it do it there. So I don't know if that makes a difference or not. But so far the longest I have waited in A19 is 11 minutes and some seconds.
ryzen 5 3600x 16gb 3200mhz ram 1tb ssd doubt video card matters for world generation but its an 8gb 1070TI

I will see if there are logs that show it. I would rather not have to generate a world just to try to snap a screenshot showing the completion time if I can avoid it, as its only on the screen for a few seconds.

There are indeed world generation logs if you go into your generated worlds folder. Here is a copy paste of my current b173 world:

World Name: South Modugi County
Original Seed: Springfield
Biome Weight (Snow): 1
Biome Weight (Pine): 2
Biome Weight (Burnt): 1
Biome Weight (Desert): 1
Biome Weight (Wasteland): 1
Data Export Time: 3 minutes 14 seconds
Total Generation Time: 10 minutes 34 seconds

Hm interesting. your processor is older than mine, by quite a lot, i have twice your ram and im on a 1TB ssd as well and it took me 27 minutes to do a normal random world gen. That doesnt make any sense

No ryzen 5 3600x is actually newer then your ryzen 7 2700x by over a year, and is rated about 9% faster. My ram may be faster then yours too. This ram is high performance low latency DDR4 3200mhz ram selected specifically for my ryzen build as ryzen performs better with faster ram.

I don't blame you on not knowing mine is newer. The numbering scheme makes no fing sense that amd is using lately.

Now my test did yield interesting results. World generation using standard generation with the seed Speedtest was over 2 minutes slower then advanced generation. Though I did snag a screenshot as it finished in at 12:27.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2181978060

The only thing I can think of for the difference in world generation would be. Perhaps background programs running, speed of our ram, and my slightly faster cpu. But even then I would figure you should clock in at like 15 minutes or so for generation.

Instead of further derailing this thread though I am going to open a seperate thread about world generation as I'm now testing to see what might affect it. I just ran that same seed Speedtest through advanced generation and it took 12:27 again. So why was my seed Springfield 10:34 seconds. What is it that causes such a large difference in generation times between different seeds. I am about to build a 4k map with Speedtest seed also to see what the times for it is versus 8k. Will link new thread here if anyone wants to discuss it.

[Misery1ndex]

Yeah that numbering scheme there makes absolutely no sense. i'm using G.SKILL TridentZ at 3200MHz. our PC's arent that far apart, hardware wise. But theres a huge difference between our random world gen times.

[Lady MacBeth]

Yep, but instead of derailing this topic any further. I created a new thread with test results and screenshots to see if anyone can help figure out why so many people are experiencing so much slower world generation then I am.

https://steamcommunity.com/app/251570/discussions/0/2791621151157334532/

[Tech Enthusiast]

AMDs Ryzen naming scheme actually makes total sense.

They have their 3, 5, 7 and 9 series (juzst like Intel) - which are a rough performance brackets.
Then the 4 digit number with the leading iteration and the performance. The X simply means "more juice out of the box!"

Ryzen 5 - 3600 --> 3rd gen mid tier bracket with the 600 performance point
Ryzen 7 - 2700X --> 2nd gen high tier bracket with the 700 performance point and more juice.
Ryzen 9- 3950X --> 3rd gen highest tier bracket with more performance than a 3900x, also extra juice, because why not?

You could also just ignore the bracket and just look at the last 3 digits for relative performance. Higher is better (duh!)
So really as easy as it gets.
You instantly see generation and relative performance, before ever looking up a review. (Intel is actually doing quite the same scheme on Desktop btw.)

[Hexerin]

Brand

Tier

Generation
Power level
Incremental power level
Just a placeholder for micro-increments
If X, higher voltage but more potential (especially via OC)

Ryzen

5

3
6
0
0
X

It's really that simple. They adopted this for parity with Intel.

[Madnesis]

Цитата допису BigRowdy:

Цитата допису Misery1ndex:

I'm finding Navezgane quite boring now as i know where everything is(except for that church). I'm on like day 20 and ive already got metric tons of steel, concrete mix, and just find a random place and forify the hell out of it and camp until day 945394543. im like level 62, 1 shoting every zombie with a steel club

I havent touched random gen worlds in a very long time, i guess its time i did that. Might prolong the game for me. Sadly its just too fast to reach endgame level tools and weapons, then its just camp and hoard everything you loot.

Might wanna hold off on random gen. and go with pre-gen. I have seen some reports of bugs where there is no trader. I cant say for sure as I'm not willing to wait 45+ minutes for a new world to build.
I like pregen3.

If there are no trader at all, you will see it right from the start of the game so you get no distance to the trader when you reached that part of the first quest.

I personally would recommend using Nitrogen instead so you keep full control of what you want on your map and don't want, not to mention that the maps are generated way quicker than in-game and they look better IMO: https://community.7daystodie.com/topic/12730-a19-nitrogen-a-random-world-generator-for-7dtd/

[BigRowdy]

Цитата допису Madnesis:

Цитата допису BigRowdy:

Might wanna hold off on random gen. and go with pre-gen. I have seen some reports of bugs where there is no trader. I cant say for sure as I'm not willing to wait 45+ minutes for a new world to build.
I like pregen3.

If there are no trader at all, you will see it right from the start of the game so you get no distance to the trader when you reached that part of the first quest.

I personally would recommend using Nitrogen instead so you keep full control of what you want on your map and don't want, not to mention that the maps are generated way quicker than in-game and they look better IMO: https://community.7daystodie.com/topic/12730-a19-nitrogen-a-random-world-generator-for-7dtd/

You made a sale here..It does indeed look great and the fact that I can set stuff to completely random is great. Downloading now.