Best primitive weapon against dogs

[...👑 JOST AMMAN 👑...]

Suggestions and opinions please...

That club works well but it's kind of slow against multiple dogs.
The knife is fast but if you hit they're probably also hitting you.
The spear has good throwing damage but if you miss you're screwed.
The primitive bow it's kind of like the spear + it's useless against a pack IMO.
The sledgehammer rocks, but again... if you miss you're screwed.

All this notwithstanding armor protection of course.

So?

[Aesir]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von mONONOke_____:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Aesir:

Really? How so?

dont just say:
experience: say something about ur experiences.

dont just say:
knowing strenghts an weaknesses: say something about dogs s and w.

dont just say:
your wits (i had to translate that): what are ur wits?

all u did was throwing nice words into a discussion that means nothing.

Now we're getting somewhere instead of just calling it pathetic nonsense simply because you don't understand it.

Experience means exactly that.... experience. I've probably been attacked by dogs early game hundreds of times in the hours I've played. Under circumstances that are exactly the same, I probably have a much better chance of surviving a dog attack than someone who is new... or relatively new to the game. Not bragging... it's merely a fact.

Knowing strengths and weaknesses ties in with experience. Knowing and being familiar with the game mechanics and how to use them to my advantage. Dogs can easily tear me apart if I try to fight them. My weakness... dog's strength. As long as I can find a place to get out of their reach before I run out of stamina I'll probably be okay. My strength... dog's weakness.

By using your wits I mean being able to quickly assess the situation, decide what needs to be done and execute a plan of action under sudden and unexpected stress. This ties in closely with not being prone to panic.

Hope that helps you understand what I meant by your brain being the best weapon.

[mONONOke_____]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Aesir:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von mONONOke_____:

dont just say:
experience: say something about ur experiences.

dont just say:
knowing strenghts an weaknesses: say something about dogs s and w.

dont just say:
your wits (i had to translate that): what are ur wits?

all u did was throwing nice words into a discussion that means nothing.

Now we're getting somewhere instead of just calling it pathetic nonsense simply because you don't understand it.

Experience means exactly that.... experience. I've probably been attacked by dogs early game hundreds of times in the hours I've played. Under circumstances that are exactly the same, I probably have a much better chance of surviving a dog attack than someone who is new... or relatively new to the game. Not bragging... it's merely a fact.

Knowing strengths and weaknesses ties in with experience. Knowing and being familiar with the game mechanics and how to use them to my advantage. Dogs can easily tear me apart if I try to fight them. My weakness... dog's strength. As long as I can find a place to get out of their reach before I run out of stamina I'll probably be okay. My strength... dog's weakness.

By using your wits I mean being able to quickly assess the situation, decide what needs to be done and execute a plan of action under sudden and unexpected stress. This ties in closely with not being prone to panic.

Hope that helps you understand what I meant by your brain being the best weapon.

that was pathetic again.
(why did u cut my text)
u are saying nothing - only that u are great.

i dont need ur help.
but if u really want to help somebody:
"being able to quickly assess the situation" -
tell something about that situation, and what to do. bla bla bla...

[Aesir]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Jost Amman:

Hey guys! Thanks for all the replies!

I'm an experienced player (some may know me from years ago) so I was not actually asking for help... but thanks anyway. I was just trying to chat about what each of you/us thinks is best against dogs.

The worst situation with dogs is of course when you're caught off-guard by a pack (yes a pack) especially if you happen to wander in the wasteland and you're maybe mining something or looting one of those open ruins if you know what I mean.

So my point was not much about discussing good "tactics" but more about what weapon you'd want to have in your hand when/if they're already on you.

Thanks! :lunar2019grinningpig:

As for purely physical weapons under the circumstances you just said, I think I would prefer either a primitive bow or a good old fashioned wooden club if I'm cornered.

I've primarily been playing a brawler in A18. My leather knuckle wraps or bone knife would be... erm... have been pretty much a death sentence whenever I've tried to go toe to toe with dogs.

[RasaNova]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von mONONOke_____:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Aesir:

Now we're getting somewhere instead of just calling it pathetic nonsense simply because you don't understand it.

Experience means exactly that.... experience. I've probably been attacked by dogs early game hundreds of times in the hours I've played. Under circumstances that are exactly the same, I probably have a much better chance of surviving a dog attack than someone who is new... or relatively new to the game. Not bragging... it's merely a fact.

Knowing strengths and weaknesses ties in with experience. Knowing and being familiar with the game mechanics and how to use them to my advantage. Dogs can easily tear me apart if I try to fight them. My weakness... dog's strength. As long as I can find a place to get out of their reach before I run out of stamina I'll probably be okay. My strength... dog's weakness.

By using your wits I mean being able to quickly assess the situation, decide what needs to be done and execute a plan of action under sudden and unexpected stress. This ties in closely with not being prone to panic.

Hope that helps you understand what I meant by your brain being the best weapon.

that was pathetic again.
(why did u cut my text)
u are saying nothing - only that u are great.

Why do you have to be so rude... His first post made a very basic but important point, in that your best weapon is your brain. After you insulted him he even explained exactly what he meant in detail, and then you insult him again.

If you don't agree, then feel free to say why but just saying something is pathetic because you don't understand it is not very civil.

[RasaNova]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Jost Amman:

Hey guys! Thanks for all the replies!

I'm an experienced player (some may know me from years ago) so I was not actually asking for help... but thanks anyway. I was just trying to chat about what each of you/us thinks is best against dogs.

The worst situation with dogs is of course when you're caught off-guard by a pack (yes a pack) especially if you happen to wander in the wasteland and you're maybe mining something or looting one of those open ruins if you know what I mean.

So my point was not much about discussing good "tactics" but more about what weapon you'd want to have in your hand when/if they're already on you.

Thanks!

If we're talking specifically what we want to be holding when faced with a day 1 dog, my vote would have to be stone spear. I usually have a few on my hotbar for the first couple days so if (when) I miss a throw I'm not empty-handed. As far as I can tell it's the single highest DPS that we can have on day 1 without a lucky loot roll, coupled with dog's low health makes them very effective.

[CellNav]

@ Jost Amman

Remind me .... you're a creative inventor? Didn't you make an electrified club in A16?

Primitive Weapon = Fire Cracker (bit of powder, wrapped in fibers, with delicious meat).

You are code savvy, you know how distraction works. If the dog has any instinct remaining it will always enjoy a game of ... fetch.

Yeah yeah, not in the game now but neither was the electrified-club then ... :)

[mONONOke_____]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von RasaNova:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von mONONOke_____:

that was pathetic again.
(why did u cut my text)
u are saying nothing - only that u are great.

Why do you have to be so rude... His first post made a very basic but important point, in that your best weapon is your brain. After you insulted him he even explained exactly what he meant in detail, and then you insult him again.

If you don't agree, then feel free to say why but just saying something is pathetic because you don't understand it is not very civil.

only thing he said was: u will have to know what u will have to do.

special edit:
me: "tower, tower - the pilot had a heart-attack. he is dead. (and the co-pilot is on the toilet)
i am a passenger. how i do land the airplane?"
tower: "u need experience."

[RasaNova]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von CellNav:

@ Jost Amman

Remind me .... you're a creative inventor? Didn't you make an electrified club in A16?

Primitive Weapon = Fire Cracker (bit of powder, wrapped in fibers, with delicious meat).

You are code savvy, you know how distraction works. If the dog has any instinct remaining it will always enjoy a game of ... fetch.

Yeah yeah, not in the game now but neither was the electrified-club then ... :)

That would be... Awesome.

And hey, a firecracker would also be the primitive version of dynamite!

Actually now you have me thinking... What if you could attach a firecracker/dynamite/pipe bomb etc to... say... A spear?

[Aesir]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von mONONOke_____:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Aesir:

Now we're getting somewhere instead of just calling it pathetic nonsense simply because you don't understand it.

Experience means exactly that.... experience. I've probably been attacked by dogs early game hundreds of times in the hours I've played. Under circumstances that are exactly the same, I probably have a much better chance of surviving a dog attack than someone who is new... or relatively new to the game. Not bragging... it's merely a fact.

Knowing strengths and weaknesses ties in with experience. Knowing and being familiar with the game mechanics and how to use them to my advantage. Dogs can easily tear me apart if I try to fight them. My weakness... dog's strength. As long as I can find a place to get out of their reach before I run out of stamina I'll probably be okay. My strength... dog's weakness.

By using your wits I mean being able to quickly assess the situation, decide what needs to be done and execute a plan of action under sudden and unexpected stress. This ties in closely with not being prone to panic.

Hope that helps you understand what I meant by your brain being the best weapon.

that was pathetic again.
(why did u cut my text)
u are saying nothing - only that u are great.

I didn't cut your text. You probably edited your post as I was making mine. I got interrupted while typing my post.

That being said... I'm not in the mood to feed trolls or argue with children today; so I'll leave it here unless attitudes and demeanor change.

[mONONOke_____]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Aesir:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von mONONOke_____:

that was pathetic again.
(why did u cut my text)
u are saying nothing - only that u are great.

I didn't cut your text. You probably edited your post as I was making mine. I got interrupted while typing my post.

That being said... I'm not in the mood to feed trolls or argue with children today; so I'll leave it here unless attitudes and demeanor change.

(doesnt matter, edit was just fun editing.)

y, loose

[...👑 JOST AMMAN 👑...]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von RasaNova:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Jost Amman:

Hey guys! Thanks for all the replies!

I'm an experienced player (some may know me from years ago) so I was not actually asking for help... but thanks anyway. I was just trying to chat about what each of you/us thinks is best against dogs.

The worst situation with dogs is of course when you're caught off-guard by a pack (yes a pack) especially if you happen to wander in the wasteland and you're maybe mining something or looting one of those open ruins if you know what I mean.

So my point was not much about discussing good "tactics" but more about what weapon you'd want to have in your hand when/if they're already on you.

Thanks!

If we're talking specifically what we want to be holding when faced with a day 1 dog, my vote would have to be stone spear. I usually have a few on my hotbar for the first couple days so if (when) I miss a throw I'm not empty-handed. As far as I can tell it's the single highest DPS that we can have on day 1 without a lucky loot roll, coupled with dog's low health makes them very effective.

Actually I don't remember if multiple spears stack... I think I tried this but didn't like the waste of inventory slots I think. Anyway talking purely about combat it's a nice work around.

Ursprünglich geschrieben von CellNav:

@ Jost Amman

Remind me .... you're a creative inventor? Didn't you make an electrified club in A16?

Primitive Weapon = Fire Cracker (bit of powder, wrapped in fibers, with delicious meat).

You are code savvy, you know how distraction works. If the dog has any instinct remaining it will always enjoy a game of ... fetch.

Yeah yeah, not in the game now but neither was the electrified-club then ... :)

I think you got the wrong guy.

[RasaNova]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Jost Amman:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von RasaNova:

If we're talking specifically what we want to be holding when faced with a day 1 dog, my vote would have to be stone spear. I usually have a few on my hotbar for the first couple days so if (when) I miss a throw I'm not empty-handed. As far as I can tell it's the single highest DPS that we can have on day 1 without a lucky loot roll, coupled with dog's low health makes them very effective.

Actually I don't remember if multiple spears stack... I think I tried this but didn't like the waste of inventory slots I think. Anyway talking purely about combat it's a nice work around.

They don't stack... But for me it's still worth having 2 or 3 on the hotbar early in the game. Once I get half decent weapons I swap them out. (But, if your aim is better than mine 1 would probably be enough anyway.)

[Captain Nap]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Jost Amman:

Suggestions and opinions please... :throwingknife::lunar2019coolpig::iron_axe:

That club works well but it's kind of slow against multiple dogs.
The knife is fast but if you hit they're probably also hitting you.
The spear has good throwing damage but if you miss you're screwed.
The primitive bow it's kind of like the spear + it's useless against a pack IMO.
The sledgehammer rocks, but again... if you miss you're screwed.

All this notwithstanding armor protection of course.

So?

Yeah sledgehammer, and DO NOT miss. When I get lucky, I can walk backwards and kill em.

[CellNav]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Jost Amman:

I think you got the wrong guy.

Ahh, then apologies for a poor memory. You've been around for a long time, it's one of those things ... :)

On a more serious note ... The best primitive weapon is a weapon that the player is comfortable with and can handle it's inherent flaws. The tactics can be whatever, as long as they work.

I mentioned dogs are dumb, they are sometimes blind and deaf. Dog packs still use the horde logic (move to way point) and perhaps cannot be bothered to look around or sense as a primary task, leaving the door wide open for stealth. I crouch and put my back to anything that is 2 blocks high, and the dog pack will go around me and not see me (I'm quiet) because when they pass me I'm already out of their line-of-sight. Sound behind me is muffled (audio-wise) so the pack usually surprises me ... either I panic and get bitten or pull out my stone-axe (yeah, that's how bad I might panic). Lucky for me I put a blade-mod on it, eh ... might cause a bleed.

Whatever happens after that ... can be whatever I'm in the mood for.

EDIT ... Btw, a good modded stone axe is fast enough to break the dogs attack, just not strong enough to be that effective in the long run (depends).

[CellNav]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von RasaNova:

Actually now you have me thinking... What if you could attach a firecracker/dynamite/pipe bomb etc to... say... A spear?

Sure ... make it work like an "exploding arrow/crossbow bolt".
Primitive "one-shot" modification for those cheap stone spears.
Heck, the darn thing might de-spawn anyway when thrown, who would care?

Dog haters would certainly enjoy a bit of fun when they mod their spear with a bit of a bang :

1. throw the spear (probably miss anyway) ...
2. then have the spear be an actual distraction ...
3. dog goes for the bait ...
... tick, tick .... BOOM.