Stuttering with High End Specs and Lowered Graphics - Yes, I know it's in Alpha.

[msktrna]

Hi! I wonder if anyone can give me any help with this, lol. So I get super crazy frame rate drops and glitches and pretty bad lag on this game. I can play it but it's beyond annoying, so I tend to not. It's almost unplayable, it just takes the enjoyment away. Anyway, I have a pretty high end laptop - Alienware 17 R4 - so I should be able to run this game uh, pretty well lol
Any ideas why everyone can run it really smoothly and meanwhile mine is tragic?
My specs are -
Intel i7-7820 HK
16 GB Ram
Nvidia GTX 1080

Let me rephrase as some people are getting the wrong idea.
What I meant was, I'm having stuttering very frequently, and I see a lot of people stream this game completely smooth. So, I was curious if anyone shares this issue and had any fix for it - and yes, I have lowered my graphics also to try and stop the stuttering but it seems I may have to bare with it. I'm simply curious of how others games play, since the streams I watch on it run effortlessly.

[msktrna]

Originally posted by Sean:

Alienware laptop user here too, have you checked the power option in windows control panel? I find the only way to get decent fps is to be on mains power, on battery the laptop will throttle power to the cpu. Heat can be another issue, with CPU thermal throttling, I have just had a motherboard and cooler swap from Dell and the motherboard is a revision 4 it made a lot of difference to temps. Run HWINFO and then a program like Prime 95 see if you are getting thermal throttling, you can also use Intel XTU to undervolt to reduce temps. if out of warranty your only option may be to do a CPU/GPU repaste as the thermal paste Dell use is beyond bad...

Hey, yeah I contacted dell recently about some high temperatures but I wasn't experiencing them on 7DTD. However, they are coming to replace my motherboard and heatsink also.

I always have my laptop plugged in, I think I changed those settings already, I normally use Msi Afterburner to keep a track of my CPU and GPU heats, my GPU is always steady but CPU jumps a lot, hence why I asked Dell if they could help me out. Hopefully an engineer will be out to sort that soon, but again as for 7DTD, I don't have much issue with heat.

[msktrna]

Originally posted by Jost Amman:

For A17... read over here. :-]
https://steamcommunity.com/app/251570/discussions/0/3211505894148011294/

Thank you for the link, I'll go have a look :-)

[msktrna]

Originally posted by YamaKami:

*Fair warning: I'm jumping here, and I only read the OP thus far.*


As it is a laptop and this game pushes most machines. Monitor thermal activity, and see if heat is an issue for you. Laptops being in small packages suffer from thermal issues almost as a rule. Also make sure the game is using your 1080 and not integrated graphics, that happens with laptops fairly often from what I have seen. Make sure all your drivers are up to date too.

A screen shot of your in-game settings would be useful here.
Also more details on the hardware. Such as how much Vram is on the GPU, what type of drives it is on, and what OS you are running.

Also a dxdiag would help us asses a few things too most likely.

I monitor my thermals on Msi Afterburner, heat isn't an issue with this game. I will re-check that it is using my 1080 however, I know I changed most games to, but as far as I'm aware it's definitely on my 1080.

I'll try to get a screenshot and put it up here, thanks :-)

[YamaKami]

Originally posted by msktrna:

Originally posted by YamaKami:

*Fair warning: I'm jumping here, and I only read the OP thus far.*


As it is a laptop and this game pushes most machines. Monitor thermal activity, and see if heat is an issue for you. Laptops being in small packages suffer from thermal issues almost as a rule. Also make sure the game is using your 1080 and not integrated graphics, that happens with laptops fairly often from what I have seen. Make sure all your drivers are up to date too.

A screen shot of your in-game settings would be useful here.
Also more details on the hardware. Such as how much Vram is on the GPU, what type of drives it is on, and what OS you are running.

Also a dxdiag would help us asses a few things too most likely.

I monitor my thermals on Msi Afterburner, heat isn't an issue with this game. I will re-check that it is using my 1080 however, I know I changed most games to, but as far as I'm aware it's definitely on my 1080.

I'll try to get a screenshot and put it up here, thanks :-)

Disable MSI afterburner. Riva tuner and this game cause a connfliction, and usually end up with an out of excpetion error when run together. If it is running somehow thenn it may be a reason for your stutter too perhaps?

[crpgnut]

I have a 1080 and turn off SSAO and turn down UMA. Those are the biggest culprits for me, but I'm playing with War of the Walkers AND Big Cities mods. Those two mods are hogs when it comes to graphics

[msktrna]

Originally posted by YamaKami:

Originally posted by msktrna:

I monitor my thermals on Msi Afterburner, heat isn't an issue with this game. I will re-check that it is using my 1080 however, I know I changed most games to, but as far as I'm aware it's definitely on my 1080.

I'll try to get a screenshot and put it up here, thanks :-)

Disable MSI afterburner. Riva tuner and this game cause a connfliction, and usually end up with an out of excpetion error when run together. If it is running somehow thenn it may be a reason for your stutter too perhaps?

I actually haven't ran MSI Afterburner with 7DTD yet, but have with all my other games so far. I got it about a month ago.

[msktrna]

Originally posted by crpgnut:

I have a 1080 and turn off SSAO and turn down UMA. Those are the biggest culprits for me, but I'm playing with War of the Walkers AND Big Cities mods. Those two mods are hogs when it comes to graphics

I'll give it a try! Thank you :-). Those sound pretty good, I haven't used mods yet haha

[crpgnut]

War of the Walkers adds skill magazines. You get one point in whichever skill you find. For instance, construction tools will got up one point permanently if you read the mag about that skill. It also adds tons of POI's that add to the building types. There is an asian theme to several of these. It is also a loot-fest and I love that. Big Cities greatly increases the amount of buildings in a random map. It is a CPU hog! It's fun though and only works with WotW.

[Aragon]

Have u tried to reduce the sight? That takes a lot of performance.

[A Terrible Modder]

studders are the norm with this game, my water cooled i7 8700k, gtx 1080ti and 32 gigs of ram struggle with this game, tho turning off voice chat improves fps

[Professor H. Farnsworth]

I'm going to be frank with you.

Your problem: Laptop
Fix: Desktop

There is no such thing as a gaming laptop or a high-end/top-end gaming laptop. It is a gimmick to sell you a useless piece of ♥♥♥♥.

DISCLAIMER: Even a Desktop will have varying performances. It cannot be avoided. All hardware is unique - quite like each and every human is unique. You will -never- get the same performance as someone else is capable of pulling - not even with the exact same hardware.

That sounds awefully doom and gloom you think.. So. What can be done?

Optimize your PC. This entails but is not limited to:
- Unparking your Cores.
- Setup Game Specific nVidia/AMD settings in their respective Control Panels (just dump all the settings to absolute max performance - your game will handle these things itself, there's no need for a 3rd party to cause conflicts)
- Clean your PC of all the junk you happen to download without knowing just by browsing the interwebz (you will be surprised how much there is from just one day's usage of the internet browsing).
- Make sure to clear out unnecessary RAM/CPU usage.
- Stop any and all firewalls/anti-virus/internet security and what have you not of gadgetry software to make you feel safe (all you really need is some common sense... the softwares will, rarely, protect you and for the most part only serves to slow down your pc - a lot. In fact they're more like a virus themselves in this day and age).
- Update ALL your drivers frequently.
- Before updating drivers make sure to remove the old drivers COMPLETELY. Never install a new driver on top of an old driver. ESPECIALLY for Graphic cards (that's a legit nono... It will slowly degrade your performance). <--- This will require software that can remove any trace of Drivers

There are a lot more you can do, those are the ones that I off the top of my head can remember. I have a routine for this so I stopped thinking about it years ago..

If it fails. You're left with: Buy new ♥♥♥♥ (it sucks I know).

My desktop:
16gb 1600mhz Ram
Nvidia 1070 GFX
I7 3770k
Old AF MOBO (legit I don't even want to check when it went out of production, it support PCI-E 3 and that's what it needs to support - on top of my CPU).
The best SSD I could find at that time, which is 5 years ago.

I have no issues running most games on ultra @ 60FPS.. Some games I have to disable shadows in order to get there, but that's usually the only in-game setting I fiddle with (unless we're talking mega raids of 40+ people where there are so many animations that no PC can run it...)

A lot of people like to blame games for not being "optimized" or not multithreaded etc... etc... etc... and it's all a bunch of baloney. It is their mishandling of a PC which in most cases leads to poor performance.

[msktrna]

Originally posted by Professor H. Farnsworth:

I'm going to be frank with you.

Your problem: Laptop
Fix: Desktop

There is no such thing as a gaming laptop or a high-end/top-end gaming laptop. It is a gimmick to sell you a useless piece of ♥♥♥♥.

DISCLAIMER: Even a Desktop will have varying performances. It cannot be avoided. All hardware is unique - quite like each and every human is unique. You will -never- get the same performance as someone else is capable of pulling - not even with the exact same hardware.

That sounds awefully doom and gloom you think.. So. What can be done?

Optimize your PC. This entails but is not limited to:
- Unparking your Cores.
- Setup Game Specific nVidia/AMD settings in their respective Control Panels (just dump all the settings to absolute max performance - your game will handle these things itself, there's no need for a 3rd party to cause conflicts)
- Clean your PC of all the junk you happen to download without knowing just by browsing the interwebz (you will be surprised how much there is from just one day's usage of the internet browsing).
- Make sure to clear out unnecessary RAM/CPU usage.
- Stop any and all firewalls/anti-virus/internet security and what have you not of gadgetry software to make you feel safe (all you really need is some common sense... the softwares will, rarely, protect you and for the most part only serves to slow down your pc - a lot. In fact they're more like a virus themselves in this day and age).
- Update ALL your drivers frequently.
- Before updating drivers make sure to remove the old drivers COMPLETELY. Never install a new driver on top of an old driver. ESPECIALLY for Graphic cards (that's a legit nono... It will slowly degrade your performance). <--- This will require software that can remove any trace of Drivers

There are a lot more you can do, those are the ones that I off the top of my head can remember. I have a routine for this so I stopped thinking about it years ago..

If it fails. You're left with: Buy new ♥♥♥♥ (it sucks I know).

My desktop:
16gb 1600mhz Ram
Nvidia 1070 GFX
I7 3770k
Old AF MOBO (legit I don't even want to check when it went out of production, it support PCI-E 3 and that's what it needs to support - on top of my CPU).
The best SSD I could find at that time, which is 5 years ago.

I have no issues running most games on ultra @ 60FPS.. Some games I have to disable shadows in order to get there, but that's usually the only in-game setting I fiddle with (unless we're talking mega raids of 40+ people where there are so many animations that no PC can run it...)

A lot of people like to blame games for not being "optimized" or not multithreaded etc... etc... etc... and it's all a bunch of baloney. It is their mishandling of a PC which in most cases leads to poor performance.

I'm sorry but I massively disagree. There is such things as gaming laptops, no one is asking for perfection. My laptop runs games like MGSV, FO4 and plenty other good graphical games on high - if not ultra - at 60 fps also. Sure, it gets warm, but that's not an issue as the heat isn't excessive.

Desktops are indeed superior, there's no denial in that statement, but a laptop can certainly live up to what it's needed for. I'm not trying to run 4k or anything too crazy.

However, I do clean my PC every month or so in terms of interweb downloads lel, and I do make sure my drivers are updated 24/7. So, I don't believe that my issues here for 7DTD are just because I have a laptop rather than a desktop, that's irrational.

I'm also thankful for your input in terms of the list, it's more than most would have to say, so, thank you :-)

[msktrna]

Originally posted by BOOMH34D$HOT:

studders are the norm with this game, my water cooled i7 8700k, gtx 1080ti and 32 gigs of ram struggle with this game, tho turning off voice chat improves fps

What a rig you have there, very jealous! It's good to know it's to do with the game rather than specs then, haha. I'll give that a go, I've heard a lot of people say that. However, I'm playing in SP.

[msktrna]

Originally posted by Aragon:

Have u tried to reduce the sight? That takes a lot of performance.

I have yes :-(

[msktrna]

Originally posted by crpgnut:

War of the Walkers adds skill magazines. You get one point in whichever skill you find. For instance, construction tools will got up one point permanently if you read the mag about that skill. It also adds tons of POI's that add to the building types. There is an asian theme to several of these. It is also a loot-fest and I love that. Big Cities greatly increases the amount of buildings in a random map. It is a CPU hog! It's fun though and only works with WotW.

That sounds pretty cool! I'll give them a look. I love looting too, lol. It's the best part of many games hahaha