is building my starter wall with scrap iron blocks worth it?

[Abomination]

i plan on patching my house that i pick when i start a new world, when zombies break the doors, or wall, i plan on filling holes with scrap iron blocks

so how much damage does a zombie do per hit?
and how much hp does a scrap iron block have? this is for my starter base/prefab

[Oblivion]

At the first 4 bloodmons you should pick 2nd story house or 2nd story business and destroy the stairs up with the only way to get to it is your wood frames that you can pick up behind you. This will prevent any realistic way to get to you. If you have spawned zombies in your base then you have left access for them. later on you should lay out some scarp iron spikes which will make them unable to walk - meaning a heck of a lot easier to get in a good shot with whatever gun or guns you may have.

Also try to pick your initial 2nd story place with all 4 axis (north, south, east and west) access, so on bloodmoon it will be easier to focus on their approach.

Also buy and or make re-bar frames and have access to a cement mixer, they can even be at a trader or anywhere. I found one at a salon in the back store room [stone and clay from the forge to make cement - stone and cement and crushed sand for the mixer]

Of course you will need a cement perk this can only be bought at a certain construction tool skill level, but a 30 days in you should have it.

This was my mistake, I started out with scrap frames and upgraded from that to concrete wasting scrap when I could have used re-bar frames which are cheaper to make money and resource wise.

Steel is king but reinforced concrete is only second to steel:

Concrete 3000 durability
reinforced concrete 6000 durability

https://7daystodie.gamepedia.com/Concrete_Blocks

The best thing about re-bar is that they are frames, so instead of permanent Wet Concrete blocks, re-bar frames can be moved around. For some building you will need wet concrete blocks for plates and stairs and such.

You should scrounge around and find enough materials to start your base, for me it took 60 days to start my base, at which point I had 5000 of concrete mix, 2000 re-bar frames, 10,000 of scrap iron and so on. Also plan your base out on graph paper if you are serious about making a good base.

[Rev]

Originally posted by bobrpggamer:

for me it took 60 days to start my base, at which point I had 5000 of concrete mix, 2000 re-bar frames, 10,000 of scrap iron and so on. Also plan your base out on graph paper if you are serious about making a good base.

...60 days? um... you can finish the entire game and have a fairly decent sized steel base in 15-20? (Although I play on max daylight settings but still)

For TL:DR: forget about using iron for building. Its not worthless. But each scrap iron log spike takes 40... then 40 more to upgrade several times... (Save your wood for fuel and spikes)

You wanna waste that metal in the early game on building blocks instead of spikes/tools and weapons? hmm nope.... Use cobblestone > concrete as Its easier to get and unless you upgrade the scrap frames completely to pre-concrete stage. Cobblestone has more initial HP.

skipping this and just getting concrete stuff from a trading post is a solid tip though. If you can find one with a working cement mixer it can save a bunch of time and effort too.

[Boresight]

If you are fortunate enough to find buildings that are close to each other, you can join them all using wood frames and spend horde night moving from rooftop to rooftop and you will also have access to multiple exits/entrances. No building materials required (except wood for the frames)

[Oblivion]

Originally posted by Revel:

Originally posted by bobrpggamer:

for me it took 60 days to start my base, at which point I had 5000 of concrete mix, 2000 re-bar frames, 10,000 of scrap iron and so on. Also plan your base out on graph paper if you are serious about making a good base.

...60 days? um... you can finish the entire game and have a fairly decent sized steel base in 15-20? (Although I play on max daylight settings but still)

For TL:DR: forget about using iron for building. Its not worthless. But each scrap iron log spike takes 40... then 40 more to upgrade several times... (Save your wood for fuel and spikes)

You wanna waste that metal in the early game on building blocks instead of spikes/tools and weapons? hmm nope.... Use cobblestone > concrete as Its easier to get and unless you upgrade the scrap frames completely to pre-concrete stage. Cobblestone has more initial HP.

skipping this and just getting concrete stuff from a trading post is a solid tip though. If you can find one with a working cement mixer it can save a bunch of time and effort too.

I am not sure exactly but I used a chemistry station an a roof had 2 forges somewhere then I had a workbench in my 2nd floor apartment (as to say) plus 2 more elsewhere I had a concrete mixer in the back of a salon - Zoe's I had a cop come at me In Zoe's within a week game time.

I need a lot of time to build this and a lot of patients. this 60 days was game time and a guess at that:

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1217185006

Scrap metal spikes are easy enough to make at the default scrap placement until you can afford the scrap for level 2 upgrade. These spikes turn every zombie below a spider into crawlers so you can just jump down and easily pick the rest of them off.

[Rev]

Originally posted by bobrpggamer:

I need a lot of time to build this and a lot of patients. this 60 days was game time and a guess at that:

I see

[Oblivion]

Originally posted by Revel:

Originally posted by bobrpggamer:

I need a lot of time to build this and a lot of patients. this 60 days was game time and a guess at that:

I see

Yeah say 8 bloodmoons.

[[Dr] VɪʀᴛᴜᴏᴜZᴢ-OPN-]

I agree with most things bob says- pertaining to your question, I suggest using flagstone blocks and building them into cobblestone is more worth it (So you can save the iron for your forges to create iron tools, and armors, this way increasing your total resources used and efficiency).

Again,

Flagstone > Cobblestone (Clay and stone).

[War3zuk]

Cobblestone.....

[Nobody]

Night 1 = Make a cave 7 Deep (Closed with a frame at surface )
Night 2 = Make a cave 7 Deep (Closed with a frame at surface )
Night 3 = Make a cave 7 Deep (Closed with a frame at surface )
At Day 4 i normally make a Bedrock Vault in Desert where i start to produce what i need for a decent base
Day 7 and 14 = Take a stable poi and remove the stairs or make a simple 5x5x5 Tower out of Cobblestone

21 and 28 i prefer a 5x5x5 Base out of Bricks or Coblestone, but with Spikes and Bars to shoot through

From 35 onwards i normally start to build my big base. Maybe i skip some Hordenights, maybe i build a Concrete base only for Hordenights.

[Nobody]

Only reason to use Scrap iron blocks is for me (except emergency situations) if i have no Steel and need blocks with high glue values

[War3zuk]

People do know that all you need to do is place 4 ladders up the side of any building, make sure the first ladder isnt there & your golden right !!! ? lol

[Shepherd]

Originally posted by мιℓfнυитєя:

People do know that all you need to do is place 4 ladders up the side of any building, make sure the first ladder isnt there & your golden right !!! ? lol

Not everyone is a cheese lord.

[Nobody]

Thats my tripple Cheese base
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1189537642

[Tame]

Originally posted by Shepherd:

Originally posted by мιℓfнυитєя:

People do know that all you need to do is place 4 ladders up the side of any building, make sure the first ladder isnt there & your golden right !!! ? lol

Not everyone is a cheese lord.

By this logic, doing anything to outsmart the poor AI is cheese. There is altitude in the game for a reason. Not using it to advantage is basically underselling the game.

[VonStreed]

If you are on the second or third floor who cares if the Zs are running around on the first? I usually just bust a hole on each side of the prefab so hordes can easily path though without doing much damage and save my resources for other tasks like tool, armor, and building a custom blood moon base. I have never had Zs knock down my main base. All i need to do is ocassionally repair the corners in the first floor if they path weird and get stuck and start whacking at them. Otherwise they just run right by unless I feel like going down there to kill them. Other than that I use the flagstone upgrade method too for building custom structures. Much cheaper to start with stone and clay than metal and cobblestone is easily upgraded to concrete when you get some. Plus i get contruction tools levels from doing the upgrades. There is no one way to do things in this game though.