about gnawed leaf....PLEASE NERF IT!

[mr.fox]

just had a run with the item 120 volt+gnawed leaf (let this synergy sink in...)
these are the only items i needed to beat the witness!
at one point she did her charge attack and i got her body blocked while being stuck in the charging animation and i just waited for her to die.
the fact that not only 120 volt is able to make this broken build but also every item that doesn't require isaac to shoot any tears to do damage

[FelTheLynx]

i mean, this is gnawed leaf, it has a tiny bit of synergy, it is a good item but not too use able on every run you get it on

[HeraldOfOpera]

Hell no, with the Host Hat and Pyromaniac nerf it's what I keep recommending for unlocking The Forgotten. On account of using it back in AB+ instead of either of those things. It also does almost nothing on its own.

[FelTheLynx]

Originally posted by HeraldOfOpera:

Hell no, with the Host Hat and Pyromaniac nerf it's what I keep recommending for unlocking The Forgotten. On account of using it back in AB+ instead of either of those things. It also does almost nothing on its own.

Yeah, i gotten it a few times and it kind of just ended up being useless by itself

[The Fourth Shoemaker on the left]

nothing new really it has always been stupidly OP with certain items & what you need to consider is that for some players having a build using the gnawed leaf will be the only way they can beat certain bosses.

Just like any other item in the game it's up to you if you pick it up or not!

[Nelots]

I agree. I'm not really huge on all of the nerfs but something that allows you to, in combination with literally any orbital, familiar, or contact damage item, just win any run needs to be nerfed. They nerfed 2x Steam Sale + Restock for the same reason, and that is significantly harder to get. I think a nice way to nerf it would be to give it a time limit.

Also, to the person that said some people might need it to beat certain bosses, that's a terrible argument and shows how OP it is. If a player can't beat a certain boss without invulnerability cheesing, they probably shouldn't be fighting that boss.

[jayhena]

what's the point of using an invulnerabity to avoid damage if you're just going to take damage but x time later. that item has no flavor and no use outside of cheese. you can't nerf it without making it even more useless.

[11clock]

I just refrain from picking up Gnawed Leaf. It turns any run into a really boring and long waiting game. It's not even broken in a fun kind of way like Dark Arts is.

Why not have the effect only last a limited amount of time like in the Mario games that inspired the item?

[Piranha :3]

If you nerf it it's gonna become yet another useless filler item. The only use it has is offering some synergies like you got and rewarding a lot of patience for a guaranteed kill on an annoying boss.

I don't understand this mentality of "if the item makes me win, it's too strong.". I killed the beast with lazarus thanks to ghost pepper doing some good damage, doesn't mean it has to be nerfed. And how long did that witness fight took for you ?

[Revalopod]

the whole purpose of gnawed leaf is to cheese. I'd rather it be completely removed tbh

[Nelots]

Originally posted by IceBeam23:

If you nerf it it's gonna become yet another useless filler item. The only use it has is offering some synergies like you got and rewarding a lot of patience for a guaranteed kill on an annoying boss.

I don't understand this mentality of "if the item makes me win, it's too strong.". I killed the beast with lazarus thanks to ghost pepper doing some good damage, doesn't mean it has to be nerfed. And how long did that witness fight took for you ?

It's because the gnawed leaf is a free mindless win where you can just go AFK for 10 minutes and you win. That's broken as hell.

[Rubyeyed]

You all talk like you get gnawed leaf every run. i saw it literally once since repentance came out.

Are you really that upset about people getting something for "free" with just enough time investment? This gatekeeping mentality in this discussion board is really sickening.

[Nelots]

Originally posted by Rubyeyed:

You all talk like you get gnawed leaf every run. i saw it literally once since repentance came out.

Are you really that upset about people getting something for "free" with just enough time investment? This gatekeeping mentality in this discussion board is really sickening.

Lol. Just because you don't see it every run doesn't mean it's not OP as hell, and just because I want it nerfed doesn't mean I'm gatekeeping. Are you stupid? With this mentality literally nothing should ever be nerfed, ever. There is a difference between wanting a balanced game and gatekeeping.

And I'm not really "that upset" either. If it never gets nerfed I really don't care, I just think it should be.

[YCGTW]

How would you suggest nerfing it? Make it temporary? You'll just end up getting bum rushed by enemies. It's useless on its own, and with just one or two familiars (minus daddy long legs , mom's knife, or the such) it's really not that strong unless you have no value for your time. I watched a stream clip yesterday of a dude with gnawed leaf and fart baby sit at It Lives for 20 minutes before it died. It's just the nature of the item.

[Takiyori]

I fail to see why else edmund would have left it in the game this long otherwise honestly. I truly can't see any real purpose it holds other than to cheese and that's circumstantial anyways. So nerfing it now would just make it as stated above, another pointless filler item.

[11clock]

What if Gnawed Leaf has a different mechanic entirely?

What if, instead of making you invincible by sitting still, it gives you a tail whip attack that hits everything near Isaac and can deflect projectiles? Kind of like the Spirit Sword's charged spin attack, but you still shoot tears normally.