90%+ Loot Drop Nerf

[Shadowlet]

Lmao ♥♥♥♥ GGG, gonna try and see if I can refund my points

Goodbye Mapping (Third video is overall TLDR)

https://youtu.be/7iJaBKmiF84

https://youtu.be/_KdJwyq0_lk

https://youtu.be/Q5KwOcsvG8E

[davidb11]

That's again not how this works. You're making up blatant lies now. THat's not cool.
Stop lying.

The change only happened recently.
Not months ago.

[Shadowlet]

Originally posted by DaTank:

It will mostly affect group play people who invest 200+ chaos in to maps expecting a high ROI. This game has a 3 month cycle for content, if you are unhappy with these changes then sit the league out and try to keep up to date and give them feedback. You have absolutely no idea how many times I have heard the phrase "the game is dying, it's dead, thanks chris wilson" over and over again only to have problems rectified at a later time.

I think it was last time this year they did a huge nerf to defenses, took the time to get the stats and feedback and adjusted what needed to be done. Yes it may look horrible now but I am willing to bet they need more information to tell them what they need to do and require community feedback that is constructive.

You can be outraged for these changes of course, but personally i'd save my anger if their solutions don't fix the problem. The new league has always been a beta test for content and changes.

It affects everything in the game you goon.

If a 200c map investment is making 30c profit split among players then what is that telling you for lower map investment ROI?

[Shadowlet]

Originally posted by davidb11:

That's again not how this works. You're making up blatant lies now. THat's not cool.
Stop lying.

The change only happened recently.
Not months ago.

How are you unable to comprehend that I'm saying they had 6 months of time to work on something that was pushed out 4 days ago. Literally writing this to you in three different ways.

I'm literally astonished at your microscopic reading level right now, I've never seen anyone like you ever on any Internet forum.

/Thread btw, I said all that I needed

[Shadowlet]

Nice 0.9h btw, tell me when you get to maps

[DaTank]

Originally posted by Shadowlet:

It affects everything in the game you goon.

If a 200c map investment is making 30c profit split among players then what is that telling you for lower map investment ROI?

And no where did I say it doesn't affect everything in the game. I said it will mostly affect group play people who try to farm currency you nerfherder.


edit: oh look at you .8 hours in the past 2 weeks. yea we for sure should listen to someone who doesn't even have the time to formulate an informed opinion.

[Shadowlet]

Originally posted by DaTank:

Originally posted by Shadowlet:

It affects everything in the game you goon.

If a 200c map investment is making 30c profit split among players then what is that telling you for lower map investment ROI?

And no where did I say it doesn't affect everything in the game. I said it will mostly affect group play people who try to farm currency you nerfherder.


edit: oh look at you .8 hours in the past 2 weeks. yea we for sure should listen to someone who doesn't even have the time to formulate an informed opinion.

You know what, we'll see. But I don't think I've ever had an Alch Orb "drought" till this patch.

Btw .8h hours on Steam Deck, elsewhere on Standalone launcher. Lv 81, try harder

[Corpito]

Originally posted by davidb11:

Originally posted by Shadowlet:

They're literally doubling down on the change wym?

It's not even a revert

What the heck are you talking about?
Everyone knows that they're literally talking about, "What we're working on next." and they explicitly mention the lack of loot drops, and how the nerf was done, and that they're going to fix the loot drops.

Have you not pay any attention to the announcements section for this game on Steam?
Or not even looked at the Reddit?

THey're not ever doubling down on this nerf. That doesn't even make sense to ever claim.

They literally said flat out they are going to adjust the loot issues and make it better.

"Adjust" and "make it better" coming from the mouth of GGG means nerf it more and piss more people off.

[Shadowlet]

Originally posted by Corpito:

Originally posted by davidb11:

What the heck are you talking about?
Everyone knows that they're literally talking about, "What we're working on next." and they explicitly mention the lack of loot drops, and how the nerf was done, and that they're going to fix the loot drops.

Have you not pay any attention to the announcements section for this game on Steam?
Or not even looked at the Reddit?

THey're not ever doubling down on this nerf. That doesn't even make sense to ever claim.

They literally said flat out they are going to adjust the loot issues and make it better.

"Adjust" and "make it better" coming from the mouth of GGG means nerf it more and piss more people off.

As I've said before, if they felt the need to change it. At the end of all this it WILL definitely be a nerf.

[Speedfreak]

well i havent played poe since 2019 i think. i never understand why GGG wants to nerf something in every league. i really love the game but i cant stand nerfing, especially skills. but really, whats the point of nerfing the drop rates ?

[DaTank]

The alch problem is real and I admit. Previous leagues I had hundreds upon hundreds of alchs. With the nerf to quantity and uniques that sucks up a vast majority of shards for alch. This is a real problem and I hope it gets rectified.

[Cr@zY-$HeeP]

Not defending the change, as clearly "extensive testing" was obviously not performed in this particular case. That being said -

What it looks like to me is that the loot drop mechanics were tied to a core system that is as old as the game itself (almost a decade old at this point). For every League that was released, this original system became more and more entrenched, as the loot drops for each League depended upon the values defined by this mechanism.

My thoughts are that they were attempting to break away from this system, in an effort to replace it with a more modern and robust mechanism that defines loot drops more appropriately. However, in doing so, it's clear that they messed something up (royally, I might add).

It's not the "end of the world" (or the game for that matter). Just give it some time for them to iron it out.

That being said, this is definitely something that needs to be communicated, both in dev goals/roadmaps and patch notes - not just "slipped in" to some casual posting.

[Shadowlet]

Originally posted by Cr@zY-$HeeP:

My thoughts are that they were attempting to break away from this system, in an effort to replace it with a more modern and robust mechanism that defines loot drops more appropriately. However, in doing so, it's clear that they messed something up (royally, I might add).

Going from relying on hard numbers to a robust system is probably best way to describe it but they ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up immensely.

[Jadian]

Originally posted by Shadowlet:

They had 6 months to rework and create this new loot system only for it to fall flat on its face.

They had 3 months of Archnemesis being an active league to receive feedback on the monsters.

They had 3 months of Sentinel league where Archnemesis was a mechanic that was added to core, and they were nerfed several times then as well.

They're STILL balancing difficulty and rewards with Archnemesis modifiers; the "What We're Working On" post mentions reducing life bonuses from Essence mods and for Red Beasts. I doubt they'll feel they hit the sweet spot here either, and will continue iterating on the design next league.



It seems strange to me that you somehow have faith in GGG to get it right the first time if they're going to go live with the change, and yet also have faith that anything they're going to do with a bad change that goes live is still going to be worse than before.

[Ressy]

This is such a dumb thread. They said they weren't reverting the nerf so whatever "buff" there is, it will always be worse than what it was and the game will not be the same. It's simple. I swear some people just accept ♥♥♥♥ in their mouths as a handout and say "thank you ggg". Love this game but they ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up a lot of core ♥♥♥♥ this patch

[Ressy]

Originally posted by Wetones:

Originally posted by Ressy:

I swear some people just accept ♥♥♥♥ in their mouths as a handout and say "thank you ggg".

Nothing is more of a turn on when someone flexes their intelligence

Wanna ♥♥♥♥? :P