I don't get the timeline of this game. (Spoilers)

[Basil the Bat Lord]

even in the original main game i didn't really get the scope of time in regards to how long the asylum had been taken over. the asylum gives off the look like the patients have been running things for a while but it's suggested a few times in the main game that you got there very soon after it all went down.

now in Whistleblower we definitively know that we are running around in the asylum right when the patients take over (and at the end of the DLC we are at 12 hours post-breakout) so this is alright, with the exception of Gluskin's gymnasium. surely Gluskin couldn't have captured, performed botched surgery, killed and hung that many people in 12 hours, there's just no way. i was under the impression during that whole scene that this was something Gluskin had attempted possibly hundreds of times (he is insane after all) but then i remembered this was supposed to be right after the inmates even broke out?

also i can sort of understand asylum security not being able to contain the inmates but a SWAT team??! i understand the Walrider was the main reason for SWAT death but how the hell did unarmed inmates manage to circumvent and defeat multiple armed SWAT brigades?

i realize none of this matters and it's a game but all this really had me scratching my head.

[BlackWater]

I think most if not all SWAT went directly to protect Wernickie, as that was the only place in the main game you saw them. In the DLC, the few encounters with the variants were put down rather quickly, not counting the guy in the library, I think he was one of the first in and got surprissed, while the ones you see in the DLC were made aware of whats going on, just a guess.

[Chef]

I think it could be possible for Gluskin to achieve that many people.I mean there were probably more people in the Vocational Block at some point.

[jackalgrins]

I have a theory that perhaps the Walrider (Billy) automatically locked on anyone that carried a firearm, which would in turn make them dangerous. So, even if local security was allowed to carry a small hand gun, they would have been dispatched quickly. And if a Variant got a hold of this weapon, they too would be disposed of. Billy might've even destroyed weapons like that, and that would be a reason why no guns were visible throughout the facility. Plenty of bats and table legs though >:D

[Lord_William]

I have the same doubt, actually. There are dozens of corpses there; if the groom was hunting and killing them one by one, by means of horrific "surgery", and then raising them to the ceiling... that could takes days, or a week, at least.
How many time has been Doctor Trager doing his thing? Just 4 or 5 hours, by the time you meet him in the first game? Seems unlikely.
Other than that, the timing seems more or less correct in that the events happens in a night or so. Miles arrives just a couple of hours after the inmates take control, and by the ends its the dawn; makes sense, since the first Rent-A-Merc team was killed so fast, that a second time could take hours to be assembled, prepared and dispatched (specially given that they are private security).
Regarding how the first team was killed so easily? Magic probably. They were killed by the Walrider, or ambushed by the inmates and then hunted by Walker, or something like that.
But yes, "in real life" a dozen of guys armed with assault rifles or SMGs, well trained and prepared, would have exterminated crazy, malnourished, weaponless guys without effort.

[Lord_William]

A second team*, not a second "time", sorry.

[Lord_William]

Now I wonder if the first team was called First Encounter Assault Recon, by chance xD.
Would make for a good crossover...

[Lu booty]

I was also scratching my head at the beginning when I found that first journal entry, the one Jeremy Blaire sent to his secretary or whatnot about visting Waylon's wife. Waylon was out for like 2 hours between getting found out and the ♥♥♥♥ hitting the fan. Yet Jermey found the time to visit Lisa, and send off that email, and make it back in time to mess with Waylon some more? Especially considering theres a note talking about how Waylon had to drive 400 miles to get to work... Can Jeremy teleport??

I know it's just a game and all,. but come on... details like that really mess up the immersion for me.

[hermanJnr.]

I'm kind of assuming that the amount of time passing is highly unreliable, since it's from the point of view of the narrator.

Example: Apparently "2 hours" pass from Waylon getting beaten unconscious and waking up to find himself in patient clothes and being tortured by Andrew, but Waylon says himself that he has "no idea" how much time has passed.

Since Waylon's "resignation" has been tendered, Lisa has been informed by Jeremy, Waylon's presumably been kept sedated and moved to a holding cell and then entered formally into the Morphogenic Engine programme, I reckon that's probably at least a week. Given he had to drive 400 miles to work and we don't know where Miles comes from, Miles presumably had to make that long journey too, which makes the "12 hours" over the course of the DLC dubious too.

Trager also leaves a note saying he's killed "dozens" of people, which is ridiculous in a few hours. I wondered if he actually used his executive powers to section off part of the ward to chop people up in before the escapes even ocurred (since he seemed to enter himself into the Engine programme).

That just leaves the Groom's huge amount of activity in such a short timeframe kind of weird.

[jackalgrins]

The whole ♥♥♥♥ storm may have occurred in stages. Not all the patients escaped at once, that was implied by 'pretty wall flower' coming along to open Weylon's cell. The different sections of the Asylum may have lost control over patients, and began quaranteeing areas off and trying to manage control of the situation. It is possible when Billy made his 'lateral' that, this was where everything began its steady decline. That is when Weylon was put into the therapy, and after that an unknown amount of time passes.

Billy was sort of a success, but mostly a failure. For a time the doctors didn't realize he'd be turning them into koolaid stains, and that was probably when the three 'lucid dreamers' were carted out, while Wernicke was distracted by progress. But whether it was a lax in protocol, or the patients began to get lose, is up for debate. This is where security begins blockaiding halls and things, and locking up sections of the asylum and struggle to continue their research. Because Murkoff's lackies are a bunch of coorporate azz hats, and paperwork. There's also the segment where Jeremy paid visit with Weylon's familiy and did his luncheon shark thing.

The military inevitably shows up after some time, because the Asylum stops talking. The one guy you overhear speaking with the security guy, while we're in the vent, made it clear he wants help now. Weylon would have called for local paramedics or police, something, if Jeremy didn't show up. So...wait for the military it is. The first crew comes by to find out what's happened at the Asylum, by that time the main Variants are set up in workshop doing their disturbing practicies. The military is quickly wiped out, unprepared and all that jazz. The Walrider by then is fully functional and manuverable, and sees almost everyone as a threat. All hail church of Walrider.

[Avi]

I don't really agree about the Gluskin thing. I could probably operate on and string up around 10 people over the course of 12 hours? That's over an hour for each one! And since he's most likely alot stronger than a normal human being it shouldn't have been so hard.

Have in mind that it wasn't really operating but more cutting people.

A breast reduction takes about two hours in real life and then they are VERY thorough.

So Maybe 15 minutes for the operation and 5 for the hanging for Gluskin? It's not a long time. Also you had been running around for hours before you got stuck in the locker before the 12 hours went so it's most likley more than 15 hours. Maybe even alot longer? And if he did it in around 20 minutes that's 36 bodies in 12 hours. And to me that could be around that amount of bodies in there. And if he did it in half the time it's 72 so ^^ He was mad after all.

And some comment somewhere mentioned that the women's ward hunted down all the victims for him so that he would leave them alone. I don't know if this is true or not though but that could've been what they were talking about before you ran into Gluskins "office". They mentioned goats for the sacrificing.

Besides. Mad people (who are probably alot stronger than normal humans) can make alot of damage in a short period of time.

And...everyone knows that the first guards to go in are always the ones to die ;) Since they don't know what they are gonna face once they are inside.

And let's not forget about the human factor. People are stupid. Even S.W.A.T. They aren't trained to shoot regular people on sight. They probably thought they were regular humans = not dangerous and therefore tryed to reason with them. (Ever seen Resident Evil one where the first zombie appears?) Anyways. Giving the patients a HUGE advantage since they don't hesitate to kill (most of them at least).

The second team had probably been informed of the fact that they were dangerous mad people in there and that's why they said "Shoot everything that moves" = more pro than the first team who probably didn't have any information about what was going on at the time of their entering ^^

I think the timing was perfect in the game and everything made sense to me ^^

[Archdeacon Monseigneur]

if a guy covered in piss, blood and ♥♥♥♥, mumbling curse words at me, while carrying a bat or a knife, or a meat cleaver or anything at all, came towards me, im pretty sure it doesn't take 2 braincells to either tell him to drop the weapon, and if he doesn't on the first warning, open fire, and assume everyone in the asylum is like this.

[Avi]

Originally posted by Jaggsaw:

if a guy covered in piss, blood and ♥♥♥♥, mumbling curse words at me, while carrying a bat or a knife, or a meat cleaver or anything at all, came towards me, im pretty sure it doesn't take 2 braincells to either tell him to drop the weapon, and if he doesn't on the first warning, open fire, and assume everyone in the asylum is like this.

Because they did that in for example every single zombie movie and so on?

I know I would kill the sob, but still. People are always trying to save other people even when they are beyond help. And YES, we ARE that stupid :P

Besides. I really doubt that they did it like that. More like came rushing or jumping/attacking from behind.

[Basil the Bat Lord]

but are SWAT not trained for hand-to-hand combat situations surely including sneak attacks like that?

[Avi]

Originally posted by Basil the Bat Lord:

but are SWAT not trained for hand-to-hand combat situations surely including sneak attacks like that?

Maybe. But then again. If you're not prepared, you die. Human factor still. Humans need to save everyone. They didn't know what was going on so maybe they didn't realize that the patients was dangerous.

[hermanJnr.]

Actually, it's worth noting that the "tactical operators" in the game aren't SWAT. They're Murkoff Security, not related to law enforcement at all.

Which basically means they're a cleanup squad. Some of the bodies of scientists/security guards actually have bullet holes in the walls near them, the inference being that the tactical guys are actually there to kill everyone except for Doctor Wernicke and possibly the high ranking executives like Jeremy.

Given Murkoff's generally borderline-satanic level of morality, it makes sense that the security forces would simply kill all the staff to cover things up rather than attempt to save everyone.

Also, yeah, maybe they're well trained, but at the same time they weren't just facing normal inmates. They're facing guys like Chris Walker, who is about 8 foot tall and can literally pull your head off. Then there's the Walrider, which we see directly kills a bunch of them on the CCTV footage Father Martin shows you.

For me the tactical teams getting slaughtered makes sense, Gluskin and Trager killing 30 or so people each does not. Gluskin getting help from the female ward makes sense, but Trager's huge killing spree is never explained...