Stealth is too hard, what am I doing wrong?

[intelfx]

Just started playing (for the first time). Coming from MGSV, picked ranged non-lethal without a second thought and immediately got my *ss kicked.

No real recon mechanics ("marking" et al.), hostiles seem to immediately wake each other up if put to sleep, I tried to ghost but I keep getting immediately detected out of nowhere — is stealth supposed to be nintendo-hard or I'm doing something wrong?

[Le Rat]

you can mark enemies later in the game and the taser is the best stealth weapon

Dont let the enemy see you, wait until you can drop on them from behind this is not like MGS

Try to avoid crowded areas and try to search for vents to get past them

[Morgian]

Unconsciousness: NPCs wake each other up again, if they see an unconscious body. Therefore it is useless to tranq someone at range, where others will come across him. Doing the game in non-lethal mode is of course possible, but not recommended for a first time player. Getting to use all the toys is part of the fun.
Your weapons for non-lethal attacks are your fists (careful how long you press Q), the stun gun (best non-lethal after fists), the tranq rifle (the dart does a little damage when it hits, which can kill on head shots; it's not a bug), and the gas grenade/mine (area attack).

Stealth: it is not based on some character skill or other auto-mechanic. You have to keep out of the cone if view of NPCs, cameras and robots to stay unseen. If you come into one's view, he will see you. Second, there are the sounds you make. NPCs can hear you as well as see you. that is less of a problem, but keep it in mind, especially when bashing through walls or firing weapons. Even someone's dying gasp can alert nearby guards. Sound is sometimes also your friend, since you can use it to draw guards off their patrol path, where you can deal with them out of sight of cameras for example. Picking up a small box and tossing it against a wall will do the trick.
Later you can buy the invisibility augment, which grants you 21 seconds of invisibility at level 3. That is not long, but allows to pass laser barriers, cameras, surprise guards or set up area attacks with the typhoon. Once you have faster loading batteries, it can be used frequently and trivialize some levels.

You usually have to hug a wall (RMB), which allows to see what happens around it without getting spotted. Then you can see the guards patrol patterns and find possible routes to bypass them. The other tools you can acquire are not really necessary (I usually don't buy them at all, because some are a hindrance to me), but include: see a circle on your radar how far your sound travels, see through walls, mark enemies to keep track of them, see NPC cones of view, and move silently.

And yes, stealth can be hard. Foxiest of the hounds is one of the really tricky achievements. As is Pacifist, btw, because it is possible to kill people without intending it. And it is not "I did not shoot anyone", it is "nobody must have died from any action I took", so exploding barrels, mines, hacked automatic turrets or robots are all no-nos. Dropping people into electrified water is also out, but can happen in some sewers. If you are really after these achievements, keep at least one save from the start of each level and one where you progress.

[Lar Dass]

cover is your best friend, you switch to 3rd person

[intelfx]

Lol, ok, sounds like I don't want to waste time on this game %)

[Hellsteeth30]

Originally posted by intelfx:

Lol, ok, sounds like I don't want to waste time on this game %)

Like MGS V you merely have to stay out of line of sight. The enemies have fixed patrol patterns and forget about you after a minute or so even if an alarm sounds.

Just don't charge around like a headless chicken and use alternative routes.

[Elroy]

O.O EZ AF

[MechBFP]

What you are doing wrong is not gitting gud.

[Dr. Whats His Name]

It's all about moment to moment game play. Use the taser and later in the game unlock the cloak and the ability to see through walls. It isn't that hard. Like some other people said this isn't MGS.

[UTFapolloMarine]

its very realistic when it comes to stealth on DEx, get the invisible aug!

[Arknark]

Originally posted by intelfx:

Lol, ok, sounds like I don't want to waste time on this game %)

Well, you could at least play through lethally, it's still an incredible story

[Lhetre]

Stealth is about attacking an NPC at the right moment in the right place, where other NPCs or cameras can't see them inconscious, or you have enough time to hide them.
You truly have vast array of choices as from where start you attacks. Each level offers many approaches. Observe the movement pattern and the terrain before acting.
Obeservation and timing are key.

[★ Bartes ★]

I love stealth in this game. Always turn on highest difficulty and play without killing anyone for entire game.

[JamesWhisky]

Originally posted by Arknark:

Originally posted by intelfx:

Lol, ok, sounds like I don't want to waste time on this game %)

Well, you could at least play through lethally, it's still an incredible story

Well yeah Im playin on story but I cant get out my mind how use some the abilities I unlocked already like hackin robots. the ♥♥♥♥ the robots just kill me so no point to have ability to hack robots.....

[JamesWhisky]

Like the game is good but it s to damn disorienting for beginers men. Like the map dont give you anythin much more than the look of the routing. I ve spent like hour goin around for no purpose. Second the combination of stuff is great but why can it be just recombinate?

[Dangerous Beans]

Originally posted by Arknark:

Well yeah Im playin on story but I cant get out my mind how use some the abilities I unlocked already like hackin robots. the ♥♥♥♥ the robots just kill me so no point to have ability to hack robots.....

You can't hack cameras, turrets or robots directly. You have to find a dedicated computer terminal (Security Hub) to control them.