Is the game too luck based?

[eepy83]

I swear this game is so RNG based and I feel like I have no control over my runs

[☂dizzy]

Luck is a factor, but not all of it. Balatro University wins an absurd percentage of his runs, and he could definitely get 100% WR on the lower stakes with no unlocks.

[malogoss]

Apparently, complainers can't provide seeds, but they do provide free Steam points.

Thank you guys!

EDIT: see? They are very reliable. Except for providing their so called unbeatable seeds.

[Preacher JLU]

Very much so, this is not a deck building game because you have zero control of what you end up with especially at the start of a run.

God bless

[FlutterFeet Fetish]

Originally posted by srn347:

On white and red stake? I don't mean to be rude but that's definitely a skill issue, not the game's rng. Post a seed you lost on and I'll beat it first try.

Try this one GSH22LG9. Abandoned deck, red stake. Think I tried to hold on as much as I can. Here's my stats on that run: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3211561269

[Scrub]

Welcome to Page 5

[srn347]

https://steamcommunity.com/id/srn347/screenshot/2505764428823371331/
Here you go. Never used steam screenshot tool before btw, how do I post the image itself instead of a link to it?

Edit: It just occurred to me you can't actually see the seed in that image, my bad.
https://steamcommunity.com/id/srn347/screenshot/2505764428823390441/

[malogoss]

Originally posted by FlutterFeet Fetish:

Try this one GSH22LG9. Abandoned deck, red stake.

Before playing the last hand:
steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198056675171/screenshot/2500134929483206430/

Victory screen:
steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198056675171/screenshot/2500134929483207723/

It was pretty straightforward, first try.
Great economy from the start, with a nova too. Honestly, what more could someone ask for?

Where you lost, boss act 6, I was playing High card hands worth 28k minimum.

Ante 7 was actually a bit tricky because of the boss that resets money to $0. And I had Bull. But there was a way to live.

Last boss I sold a joker that was useless. The remaining 4 were more than enough, no need to buy a 5th.

[srn347]

How did you get amber acorn while I got violet vessel on the same seed?

[malogoss]

Originally posted by srn347:

How did you get amber acorn while I got violet vessel on the same seed?

I have no idea. Before today, I only tried seeded runs on one seed I encountered, that was a while ago. First run I played (the original one, without using a seed) I got one boss on Ante 8, I don't remember which. Then I played seeded, got a different boss.

So I have no idea what determines the ante 8 boss, but it is not hard locked by the seed itself.

[Zouls]

Originally posted by FlutterFeet Fetish:

Originally posted by srn347:

On white and red stake? I don't mean to be rude but that's definitely a skill issue, not the game's rng. Post a seed you lost on and I'll beat it first try.

Try this one GSH22LG9. Abandoned deck, red stake. Think I tried to hold on as much as I can. Here's my stats on that run: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3211561269

Failed it the first time because its a rough start.

beat it the second

https://gyazo.com/d12d51e724477020edd1e2266238fa1b

I would say the advantage is that red card and super nova are crazy good stacking cards to get early, which is a huge benefit.

But the hard part was the lack of score cards, so constantly stacking the second joker with 4 card hands was important.

[Urr]

Originally posted by snakeskip:

No it is not. Skilled players beat lower stakes consistently. I'd expect a win rate of over 95% on white stake difficulty. With any deck.

Luck comes into play on higher stakes.

Please cite me like a video or an exsample of this being the case because that sounds like bs.

Ways stuff goes wrong:
I dont get good joker or celestial cards in shop. I dont get the necessary cards from the deck to complete any high point moves. Focusing on flush most of the time Ive used up all of my discards trying to get the fifth necessary card. The same with other moves.

Something you cant control at all is the deck at thats what game ends me most of the time. In runs where ive bought the best cards available to me.
You are lying.

[RazzberryMocha]

Originally posted by Urr:

Originally posted by snakeskip:

No it is not. Skilled players beat lower stakes consistently. I'd expect a win rate of over 95% on white stake difficulty. With any deck.

Luck comes into play on higher stakes.

Please cite me like a video or an exsample of this being the case because that sounds like bs.

Ways stuff goes wrong:
I dont get good joker or celestial cards in shop. I dont get the necessary cards from the deck to complete any high point moves. Focusing on flush most of the time Ive used up all of my discards trying to get the fifth necessary card. The same with other moves.

Something you cant control at all is the deck at thats what game ends me most of the time. In runs where ive bought the best cards available to me.
You are lying.

I agree with it being bs, a skilled player should actually have way higher than a 90% win rate on white stake, probably even 100% as long as they aren't playing on a few specific decks.
If you're complaining about getting bad jokers then you haven't discovered that literally every joker is good in their own contexts. Celestial packs, while vital for some builds, are just complementary or outright redundant to most strategies/builds. You say you focus on flush most of the time when that is not only considered one of the worst hands to build into but also forcing any strategy to work and hoping the game will give you the tools for it will result in a loss most of the time.
If you want to improve then feel free to ask questions, people here are willing to help. Saying the game is outright luck based and claiming to be an expert over others won't, however, make you better at this game.

[ambershee]

Originally posted by RazzberryMocha:

Originally posted by Urr:

Please cite me like a video or an exsample of this being the case because that sounds like bs.

Ways stuff goes wrong:
I dont get good joker or celestial cards in shop. I dont get the necessary cards from the deck to complete any high point moves. Focusing on flush most of the time Ive used up all of my discards trying to get the fifth necessary card. The same with other moves.

Something you cant control at all is the deck at thats what game ends me most of the time. In runs where ive bought the best cards available to me.
You are lying.

I agree with it being bs, a skilled player should actually have way higher than a 90% win rate on white stake, probably even 100% as long as they aren't playing on a few specific decks.
If you're complaining about getting bad jokers then you haven't discovered that literally every joker is good in their own contexts. Celestial packs, while vital for some builds, are just complementary or outright redundant to most strategies/builds. You say you focus on flush most of the time when that is not only considered one of the worst hands to build into but also forcing any strategy to work and hoping the game will give you the tools for it will result in a loss most of the time.
If you want to improve then feel free to ask questions, people here are willing to help. Saying the game is outright luck based and claiming to be an expert over others won't, however, make you better at this game.

It's worth noting the game has changed a LOT since this was originally posted and some of the issues that made you reliant on luck have been resolved (e.g. changing the way rewards from skipping rounds etc. work).

[Ackranome]

Some of it is RNG early on - but as you get more and more jokers it becomes .... more just understanding how to build.

[Xenu]

Some runs are doomed from the start you know after a few rounds, start over.
Or continue with those crap cards and try to pull a miracle it's all part of the fun.