Definition of Local Multiplayer/Local Co-Op?

[Aleccia Rosewater]

Erm, does the game actually support this in a way that matches the classic defintion?

For me local multiplayer would be 2-4 people sitting down on a couch together with one computer. Such games sometimes involve splitting the screen in half; the top belonging to player 1 and the bottom to player 2

This is distinctly different from online multiplayer, where each player uses her own PC rig.

As lovely as this game looks I doubt this is a local multiplayer game. Am I wrong? Did the devs have a different definition of such?

[Reaper]

Lan=local

[Aurelia]

I think you're confusing "Split screen" with local multiplayer. Local multiplayer just means that it supports multiplayer without the requirement of the internet. Like Reaper says, Local can also mean lan.

[Beak]

Aleccia - so sorry for hi-jacking your discussion but neither of these people who replied have really answered your question, and that really hacks me off cause it seems to be a common problem throughout comunities and forums with dead heads just trying to be clever ♥♥♥♥♥. Probably 'cause they are not sure themselves but feel the absolute need to supply some sort of reply however pointless.

And apart from my rant I also would like to know the answer before departing with my cash.

And yes I've seen the store page claiming "Co-Op" but I would like to hear it from someone who's tried and test it. So please, pretty please..with a ******* cherry on top....

Does this game support Local Co-Op ?

It is a simple question that requires a simple answer - yes or no.

[Aleccia Rosewater]

A lot of people dont seem to understand what the "co-op tag" is for.

Only one player per computer, sorry :(

[Malek]

No local co-op, one player per computer.

As luminaire stated, it does have "Local Area Network" play. So while technically not online multiplayer, you can play on a single LAN without any internet connection.

There is no split screen or other method for more than one person to play on a single computer.


While i understand beak's frustration, i believe its pretty common to attach local co-op to PC games with LAN play. Very Very few PC games, heck even console games anymore, have split screen.

[Beak]

Ah ok, thanks.

That is very dissappointing and pretty misleading as well going off the store page and why I like to check these things before spending money.

thanks again and erm sorry for ranting in your post.

[Dejan ☦]

Local Co-Op = Couch Co-Op / Hotseat = Shared/Splitscreen
On THE SAME PC AND SAME SCREEN (or TV) vertical or horizontal or no splitscreen at all as you see both (or more) players on the same screen and you play together with them against BOTS/Environment.

Cnline Co-Op
You play on your machine and watch your screen and your friend(s) play on his/their machine and watch his/their screen (each gamer needs her/his own machine and internet connection to play).

Coop
LAN Coop

NOTE: Coop generally stands for cooperative, which means you and (at least one) another player (but can be more) play together against computer controlled enemies (called AI or bots). Coop is also called PvE (player versus enemy/environement). In coop you do NOT fight humans.

Coop can also be labeled (quit misleading) as multiplayer game. I think it's wrong because when you say mutliplayer you think about game in which you and/or your team fights other human player (or other team formed of humans).

NOTE 2: LOCAL COOP HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH LAN!

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Local Multiplayer = Party Game = Shared/Splitscreen
On THE SAME PC AND SAME SCREEN (or TV) vertical or horizontal or no splitscreen at all as you see both (or more) players on the same screen - you play against other players.

4 Player Local = Shared/Splitscreen
Local Multiplayer with up to 4 people.

Cnline Multiplayer - you play on your machine and watch your screen and your friend plays on his machine and watches his screen (and if there are more gamers with you, then each one of them needs her/his own machine to play on).

Multiplayer
LAN Multiplayer

NOTE: Multiplayer = human(s) vs human(s) (sometimes also a team of humans VS another team of humans), also called PvP (Player[s] vs Player[s]).

NOTE 2: LOCAL MULTIPLAYER HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH LAN!

[dtt.scanner]

LAN = local area network, and multiple computers on a LAN = local multiplayer. Local multiplayer can mean hotseat, split screen, or LAN. In modern times this MOST OFTEN means a LAN. None of these require online access, and all of them require you to be in close proximity (local). LAN allows you to be a little farther apart than having to sit in the same room, but for most people (unless it is a large company network) you usually are set up in the same building, and still often in the same room (wired connection through a router). Sorry if that doesn't jive with your definitions, but that's the way most people see it. Since most computers have WiFi access these days, a WiFi router is more common than a wired connection, and allows a little more distance, potentially even playing with a friend across the street. You are right that this is technically ONLINE because it is connecting through a router, but it is not connecting through the Internet, which is what most people think of as being truly Online. Having a local IP address to connect in a LAN does not mean you are connected to the Internet. You do not need an ISP or trunkline connection to play on a LAN. Local Multiplayer is almost entirely done on a LAN these days.

[Dejan ☦]

Originally posted by dtt.scanner:

...Sorry if that doesn't jive with your definitions, but that's the way most people see it.

I wouldn't agree that MOST people on STEAM see it like this. At least not most of the developpers. In fact I have countless of games defined/tagged as ''local multiplayer'' or ''local co-op'' that don't support a LAN connection. So... yeah...

Furthermore, your logic here is flawed. Just because LAN has the word ''Local'' in it doesn't mean that the Steam Tags ''Local Multiplayer'' and ''Local Co-Op'' mean LAN Multiplayer and LAN Co-Op. "Local" in computing terms means the device you are using, and for some reason people often miss the "Area Network" part of "LAN" and just focus on the word ''Local''. lol


Some interesting past discussions on the topic:
https://www.reddit.com/r/localmultiplayergames/comments/4f2heg/since_when_did_local_multiplayer_mean_multiplayer/
https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/7/648814842853378909/
https://steamcommunity.com/app/351970/discussions/0/490121928350071423/

[dtt.scanner]

we'll have to agree to disagree on your definitions. Forcing the world to accept your way of defining things is about as effective as forcing everyone to like peas. Logic has nothing to do with public perception.

[dtt.scanner]

Yes, the original poster is correct. The developers mean something else when they say co-op. There are various multiplayer game modes. Co-op in this case is a game mode meaning you are working together for a common goal and sharing both resources and colony base. It has nothing to do with the way your game system is set up.

[Dejan ☦]

Originally posted by dtt.scanner:

we'll have to agree to disagree on your definitions. Forcing the world to accept your way of defining things is about as effective as forcing everyone to like peas. Logic has nothing to do with public perception.

I'm not forcing the world to accept anything. If you ask me, the main source of this problem is Valve and Steam for not making their TAG definitions public and clearly defined (or offering less ambiguous tags to the developpers). It's their platform, they could have made these tags less ambiguous.

For example:
LAN Co-Op
LAN Multiplayer
Hotseat
Online Co-Op
Online Multiplayer
Local Multiplayer (local in this case clearly defined as the device you are using)
Local Co-Op (local in this case clearly defined as the device you are using)

[Caldor]

That would arguably not really fix the problem. Local Co-Op and Local Multi-player would still be ambiguitets. split / shared screen multiplayer would be more exact. Local will always be considered to possibly mean LAN or one computer. LAN is local area network. Nothing in the word makes it mean its the same computer. I would argue it pretty much makes it mean its not the same computer since it does not state its the same screen that is being used. Trouble with LAN is also that people do not know what LAN means. In which case I guess the whole tag is probably meaningless for them anyway, so that is probably not really a problem. But local does leave it open to interpretation... but it is with or without the LAN tag. The tag should explain what it is, on its own. Not only when given knowledge about all other possible tags.

[Dejan ☦]

Originally posted by Caldor:

That would arguably not really fix the problem. Local Co-Op and Local Multi-player would still be ambiguitets.

I said if they made ''TAG definitions public and clearly defined''. How would they then still be ambiguous? lol

Originally posted by Caldor:

Trouble with LAN is also that people do not know what LAN means.

I totally agree with you there.

[Caldor]

Originally posted by Mors Victrix:

Originally posted by Caldor:

That would arguably not really fix the problem. Local Co-Op and Local Multi-player would still be ambiguitets.

I said if they made ''TAG definitions public and clearly defined''. How would they then still be ambiguous? lol

Originally posted by Caldor:

Trouble with LAN is also that people do not know what LAN means.

I totally agree with you there.

You wrote examples, and I pointed out two of them would still be ambigious.