T-72 - 80 series needs a nerf.

[Zeno]

T-72 - 80 series needs a nerf.

There is no other tank series at such a high BR where I bounce off like using a toy gun at like 50 meters sitting in my Leopard.

This is completely unrealistic, no idea why the Russian MBTs at such high BR are absolutely impecable and keep feeling like indestructable.

Gaijin needs to nerf Russian MBTs, they are seem to be on god-mode.

Am I the only one who feels that way ?

[Garlic Brett]

Originally posted by WarDaddy92:

Originally posted by Qu Rahn:

No, not by a long shot. You're taking the T80U's forward speed and making it seem as if every T-72/80 is that fast, and as if forward speed/acceleration is the only criteria for mobility.
T-72A/AV/B/89/B3/Moderna reverse at -4, T80B/U/BVM at -10. They also can't neutral steer. All T-72s and the T80B have worse HP/Ton than their NATO counterparts (bar Challies and IIRC the Arietes).


They also have a bigger silhouette when hulldown, because they can't hulldown, since they don't have anywhere near the gun depression to do that. Their turrets are also weaker than the Leopards when in said position.


Yeah, basically their only advantage, still, Leos 2/122s/M1A2 have way better turret armor than the ruskies. 122s happen to have great hull armor as well. Anyways, since ruskies can't play ridge positions like NATO, they need to expose said hull armor way more often as well.


Literally as accurate as any other gun in top tier. Last time I checked a 2A6 actually had a chance of penning the turret cheeks on a BVM since it had monstrous penetration and not all of the BVM cheeks are covered in ERA, while the BVM could never do the same to a M1A2/2A5/2A6/122s.


Only the T72B3 and the T80BVM have 40 deg/sec turret rotation and elevation, vs ALL of the M1/Leo 2 series.
Do you want to compare every other Ruskie T72/80? Because they happen to have 3~4 deg/sec elevation and sub-20 deg/sec turret rotation.
They also all have worse reloads than their NATO counterparts at their respective BRs.
But I guess it's just convenient to not mention all of that, right?


Happens to all nations vs all nations. Everyone has done 'no damage' perfect shots against HSTVs, Pumas, Milk trucks and whatever else.

I am not going to disagree nor comment with all of your points made.

All I know is that in several hundred hours of gameplay, the Russian MBTs are the only ones where I really really bounce off most of the time, unless I flank them from the sides or rear obviously.

Try Turret roof/LFP/Gun mantle, if you didn't know that already, they really aren't that special at least the 9.7 - 10.7 tanks which all have the same weakspots.

[Zeno]

Originally posted by Garlic Brett:

Originally posted by WarDaddy92:

I am not going to disagree nor comment with all of your points made.

All I know is that in several hundred hours of gameplay, the Russian MBTs are the only ones where I really really bounce off most of the time, unless I flank them from the sides or rear obviously.

Try Turret roof/LFP/Gun mantle, if you didn't know that already, they really aren't that special at least the 9.7 - 10.7 tanks which all have the same weakspots.

I did. It damaged the turret wheel and that's it, at most.

[Bombelos]

Originally posted by WarDaddy92:

Originally posted by Bombelos:

If you struggle against anything Russian then you must go back to 1.0 and re-learn how to play.

According to various other threads as well as technical data, I am not the only one who rightfully has a problem with their OP high tier line.

That being said, I play Russians myself as well, I know how it feels to be uncrackable.

Russia is the worst nation in the game.

[Zeno]

Originally posted by Bombelos:

Originally posted by WarDaddy92:

According to various other threads as well as technical data, I am not the only one who rightfully has a problem with their OP high tier line.

That being said, I play Russians myself as well, I know how it feels to be uncrackable.

Russia is the worst nation in the game.

Thanks for the laugh.

[xCrossFaith]

Wut I don't know how to activate that armor then, my T-72 keeps getting one shotted :/

[Devilman275]

as a rus player nato tank are basicly rambo, every map catter to their playstyle of hill poke, the flat ones still are sicky because the armor is unreliable and the gun depression means you'll always be exposed, unlike nato who can rely more on their reliable turret armor

the only good thing is having 4-5 mbt, but that doesnt change a rolf stomp and germany has as much

rus + ger seems to be a much better combo for winrate than when its rus + usa

[FizzyElf]

Originally posted by WarDaddy92:

They could at least add some Javelin rockets so we can take them out easier.

I don't even think the M163 has been equiped with a Javelin at least as a standard armorment and they've strapped just about everything onto the M163.

Originally posted by Qu Rahn:

There are reports of the armor being too strong. Personally, I don't care. If you nerf the armor then they'll probably give them a BR reduction.

Yes they would, probably a 0.3 reduction across the board.

Originally posted by WarDaddy92:

Nope. The whole point of the nerf is to not reduce it's BR.

This is gaijin we are talking about mate, don't lie to yourself.

Personally I think Russia is a bit of an odd case, they have great survivability for the first shot but after that their tanks just fall apart and they don't work quite as well in urban environments having slightly lower survivability than NATO due to the smaller crew so while I admit it sucks to fight them head on, after the first shot you should be fine plus if you're a more experienced player (Especially if you have both top tier NATO and Russian/Chinese vehicles) there are several ways to instant kill them and a couple of ways to cripple them. They are strong but nothing sustainable, they quickly collapse under enemy fire unlike a Leo 2 PL for example (my favorite and most played MBT) but some of them last longer than others like the new Moderna (my favorite T-72 model in game). Overall I would like them to stay as is (especially to avoid them going down in BR) aside from the shrapnel screen around the ammo that prevents fire damage and shrapnel damage to the ammo in the auto loader, it looks stupid when driving a T series and feels stupid when shooting a T series.

[FireFromBehind]

This is prob a troll post, neither the T-72 or the T-80 are more mobile then NATO tanks. Not to mention that all Tussian tanks have the same weakspots (around the breach and LFP). Only place where they are good at is long range engaments since their meh turret rotation and horrendeous elevation.

L2P

[FizzyElf]

Originally posted by FireFromBehind:

This is prob a troll post, neither the T-72 or the T-80 are more mobile then NATO tanks. Not to mention that all Tussian tanks have the same weakspots (around the breach and LFP). Only place where they are good at is long range engaments since their meh turret rotation and horrendeous elevation.

L2P

The T-80's will out run leo's, leclers, Type 90/10's and Challengers so they are pretty mobile and get into position quickly.

[Shyue Chou]

Originally posted by FizzyElf:

Originally posted by FireFromBehind:

This is prob a troll post, neither the T-72 or the T-80 are more mobile then NATO tanks. Not to mention that all Tussian tanks have the same weakspots (around the breach and LFP). Only place where they are good at is long range engaments since their meh turret rotation and horrendeous elevation.
L2P

The T-80's will out run leo's, leclers, Type 90/10's and Challengers so they are pretty mobile and get into position quickly.

The T-80s do have a gas turbine, like the M1. The T-80UD which has a diesel is not in the game.

[Shortstuffed]

Originally posted by Qu Rahn:

Originally posted by WarDaddy92:

Nope. The whole point of the nerf is to not reduce it's BR.
It's too strong as where it is now.

So you want them to just have absolutely no advantages over NATO tanks? Not happening. They rely on frontal armor/ERA to be playable, because they have absolutely nothing else going on.
If you take their armor Gaijin will simply place them at some BR where their armor becomes useful again.

seems realistic to me

[FizzyElf]

Originally posted by Shyue Chou:

Originally posted by FizzyElf:

The T-80's will out run leo's, leclers, Type 90/10's and Challengers so they are pretty mobile and get into position quickly.

The T-80s do have a gas turbine, like the M1. The T-80UD which has a diesel is not in the game.

Yep, though I doubt we'll see something like the T80UD

[fruitbowl]

Originally posted by WarDaddy92:

Originally posted by Qu Rahn:

No, not by a long shot. You're taking the T80U's forward speed and making it seem as if every T-72/80 is that fast, and as if forward speed/acceleration is the only criteria for mobility.
T-72A/AV/B/89/B3/Moderna reverse at -4, T80B/U/BVM at -10. They also can't neutral steer. All T-72s and the T80B have worse HP/Ton than their NATO counterparts (bar Challies and IIRC the Arietes).


They also have a bigger silhouette when hulldown, because they can't hulldown, since they don't have anywhere near the gun depression to do that. Their turrets are also weaker than the Leopards when in said position.


Yeah, basically their only advantage, still, Leos 2/122s/M1A2 have way better turret armor than the ruskies. 122s happen to have great hull armor as well. Anyways, since ruskies can't play ridge positions like NATO, they need to expose said hull armor way more often as well.


Literally as accurate as any other gun in top tier. Last time I checked a 2A6 actually had a chance of penning the turret cheeks on a BVM since it had monstrous penetration and not all of the BVM cheeks are covered in ERA, while the BVM could never do the same to a M1A2/2A5/2A6/122s.


Only the T72B3 and the T80BVM have 40 deg/sec turret rotation and elevation, vs ALL of the M1/Leo 2 series.
Do you want to compare every other Ruskie T72/80? Because they happen to have 3~4 deg/sec elevation and sub-20 deg/sec turret rotation.
They also all have worse reloads than their NATO counterparts at their respective BRs.
But I guess it's just convenient to not mention all of that, right?


Happens to all nations vs all nations. Everyone has done 'no damage' perfect shots against HSTVs, Pumas, Milk trucks and whatever else.

I am not going to disagree nor comment with all of your points made.

All I know is that in several hundred hours of gameplay, the Russian MBTs are the only ones where I really really bounce off most of the time, unless I flank them from the sides or rear obviously.

Skill issue?

[FireFromBehind]

Originally posted by FizzyElf:

Originally posted by FireFromBehind:

This is prob a troll post, neither the T-72 or the T-80 are more mobile then NATO tanks. Not to mention that all Tussian tanks have the same weakspots (around the breach and LFP). Only place where they are good at is long range engaments since their meh turret rotation and horrendeous elevation.

L2P

The T-80's will out run leo's, leclers, Type 90/10's and Challengers so they are pretty mobile and get into position quickly.

T-80 yes, but it can't outrun it. It's on pair with NATO tanks. Not to mention that Russian tanks, even the T-80s have ♥♥♥♥♥♥ reverse speed.

[Tom]

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