Planes in ground RB make this game unplayable

[Lucerne]

Why did they think aircraft would be a good addition to GROUND Rb? every single ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ time i get anywhere near the control point i get bombed or shot by the aircraft's guns. and playing anti air at 3.3 isnt really that nice for germany. annother thing is the spawn cost for bombers and ordinance imo it should be at least 2x the cost for how ridicilously strong they are.

[Lucerne]

Publicado originalmente por dLFN:

Publicado originalmente por Creepers:

Gamemode literally called G R O U N D Rb

Air support is a pretty important thing for ground battles so if anything it's more realistic that we have planes than if we didn't.

Now explain why a one shot rocket spamming fighter plane is 1. Balanced and fair to play against as non AA tank and 2. why it is realistic in a tank battle to add aircraft and how the fun is percieved by both sides, the killer and the killed. answer this question truthfully and accurate and i'll agree.

[dLFN]

Publicado originalmente por Creepers:

Publicado originalmente por dLFN:

Air support is a pretty important thing for ground battles so if anything it's more realistic that we have planes than if we didn't.

Now explain why a one shot rocket spamming fighter plane is 1. Balanced and fair to play against as non AA tank and 2. why it is realistic in a tank battle to add aircraft and how the fun is percieved by both sides, the killer and the killed. answer this question truthfully and accurate and i'll agree.

It's balanced because you need to be pretty good to accurately hit all of your rockets and because you're at a high risk of dying to SPAA, an enemy fighter or just roof mounted MGs while you're in an attack run. I'm not saying all planes are balanced, there's definitely a lot of OP ones like the P-47 and A4E.

I don't understand your second question. Are you asking why it's realistic for planes to exist in Ground battles? If so it's because air support is a huge part of land combat and always has been since airplanes were invented essentially. Fun is subjective, but personally I think it adds more depth to the games. It would be boring with just tanks after a while, too repetitive. There's so many overpowered camping spots that can't be flanked like the hill on middle east or the rocks by the lake on fields of poland. One semi decent player can get at the very least 5 of 6 kills in one of those spots. CAS helps a little against that. I also like playing SPAA vehicles, it's pretty chill to sit back and relax while keeping the skies clear. Being totally helpless against planes is annoying and isn't very fun which is why you should play SPAA...

Besides if they remove planes what will happen to the dozens of SPAAs we have in game? War thunder never started as a tank game, it's an aircraft focused game with tanks thrown in later. I'm guessing you're new to war thunder, I was very frustrated at planes too but you'll realize soon enough that they're an integral part of every mode in war thunder. Or maybe you'll never be able to tolerate them, but the game won't change so drastically just because a minority whines about it.

[Pareidolia]

Publicado originalmente por Creepers:

Publicado originalmente por Dr. Dickcrunch:

if you want to go that route its very realistic for planes to be firing at tanks

i exclusively play ground by the way, so you cant use the "wull, youre a pilot" excuse on me

why do you think i didnt pick the air rb playlist? maybe because i ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ hate planes? so i always went with G R O U N D rb because i like tanks. yet there are still planes in my G R O U N D battle. so i do not expect to be carpet bombed every time someone is doing moderately well who also has grinded some aircraft.

You dont play air battles so you drive tanks instead of flying planes, thats it. That says nothing about planes never being involved

[Lucerne]

Publicado originalmente por dLFN:

Publicado originalmente por Creepers:

Now explain why a one shot rocket spamming fighter plane is 1. Balanced and fair to play against as non AA tank and 2. why it is realistic in a tank battle to add aircraft and how the fun is percieved by both sides, the killer and the killed. answer this question truthfully and accurate and i'll agree.

It's balanced because you need to be pretty good to accurately hit all of your rockets and because you're at a high risk of dying to SPAA, an enemy fighter or just roof mounted MGs while you're in an attack run. I'm not saying all planes are balanced, there's definitely a lot of OP ones like the P-47 and A4E.

I don't understand your second question. Are you asking why it's realistic for planes to exist in Ground battles? If so it's because air support is a huge part of land combat and always has been since airplanes were invented essentially. Fun is subjective, but personally I think it adds more depth to the games. It would be boring with just tanks after a while, too repetitive. There's so many overpowered camping spots that can't be flanked like the hill on middle east or the rocks by the lake on fields of poland. One semi decent player can get at the very least 5 of 6 kills in one of those spots. CAS helps a little against that. I also like playing SPAA vehicles, it's pretty chill to sit back and relax while keeping the skies clear. Being totally helpless against planes is annoying and isn't very fun which is why you should play SPAA...

Besides if they remove planes what will happen to the dozens of SPAAs we have in game? War thunder never started as a tank game, it's an aircraft focused game with tanks thrown in later. I'm guessing you're new to war thunder, I was very frustrated at planes too but you'll realize soon enough that they're an integral part of every mode in war thunder. Or maybe you'll never be able to tolerate them, but the game won't change so drastically just because a minority whines about it.

"integral part of every gamemode" so its important for the game that me, sitting in my slow as ♥♥♥♥ TD am trying to make it to a good sniping spot for 7 minutes just to get bombed and having a nice repair cost slapped in my face? i played this game for 200 hours and planes never cease to annoy the living ♥♥♥♥ out of me.

[Booba]

The German SPAA at 3.3 is probably the best in the game at that BR, at least when it comes to actually shooting down planes.

A few tips for SPAA gunners:

Don't just lead your shots: walk them in the flight-path of the target plane. Most players don't lead their targets enough and just keep pounding away at where the plane was. Hold the trigger and adjust your fire 'forward.'

Don't just sit in spawn and waste your ammunition on specks flying on the other side of the map. Get up closer to where your tanks are and you'll have an easier time swatting down the flies bothering them. You don't have to fight on the front lines, obviously, but a few hundred meters makes a difference in what you can accomplish.

Wait to shoot. Don't fire instantly when you see a plane: wait for him to fly in a straight line at a range where you can actually get him. If you think your allies in the air have half a brain, you might consider squirting a few tracers at the enemy planes you see, to warn your buddies, but I've found that most pilots are too tunnel-visioned for this.

My second vehicle is almost always SPAA, even if I die early. It is friggin' hilarious to swat down the early game air rushers, most of whom never anticipate an M16 waiting for them. If you can get them before they drop their bombs or rockets, you might knock them out of the match entirely.

Planes are OP but shooting them down is worth a lot of SP, lions and +rep. Always, always, always take an SPAA into Ground RB. Just getting an assist on knocking a plane down is potentially enough to get you into another tank (so don't forget your pintle-mounted machine guns when you have them either).

[Ddinosaur]

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Malding even

[Lucerne]

Publicado originalmente por Scuba Steve:

The German SPAA at 3.3 is probably the best in the game at that BR, at least when it comes to actually shooting down planes.

A few tips for SPAA gunners:

Don't just lead your shots: walk them in the flight-path of the target plane. Most players don't lead their targets enough and just keep pounding away at where the plane was. Hold the trigger and adjust your fire 'forward.'

Don't just sit in spawn and waste your ammunition on specks flying on the other side of the map. Get up closer to where your tanks are and you'll have an easier time swatting down the flies bothering them. You don't have to fight on the front lines, obviously, but a few hundred meters makes a difference in what you can accomplish.

Wait to shoot. Don't fire instantly when you see a plane: wait for him to fly in a straight line at a range where you can actually get him. If you think your allies in the air have half a brain, you might consider squirting a few tracers at the enemy planes you see, to warn your buddies, but I've found that most pilots are too tunnel-visioned for this.

My second vehicle is almost always SPAA, even if I die early. It is friggin' hilarious to swat down the early game air rushers, most of whom never anticipate an M16 waiting for them. If you can get them before they drop their bombs or rockets, you might knock them out of the match entirely.

Planes are OP but shooting them down is worth a lot of SP, lions and +rep. Always, always, always take an SPAA into Ground RB. Just getting an assist on knocking a plane down is potentially enough to get you into another tank (so don't forget your pintle-mounted machine guns when you have them either).

i dont even have a single viable SPAA unlocked yet.

[DevilDaRebel]

OP, I can suggest you take the time to learn and appreciate SPAA. Shooting them down consistently will be rewarding in gameplay and satisfaction when you make someone waste all their spawn points after shooting them down before they can do anything.

[Meme_1284]

Publicado originalmente por Creepers:

Publicado originalmente por Meme_1284:

It’s not ground, it’s mixed battles. This game is a plane game. There always were planes in mixed battles

Gamemode literally called G R O U N D Rb

maybe, but it was never intended as ground ONLY.

[Reber]

Your team needs spaa's. There are several that would be good at "ground to air" and "ground to ground".

You are not in a solo game, asked your team to spawn spaa's or plane to counter enemy air.

[shadain597]

Publicado originalmente por Creepers:

i dont even have a single viable SPAA unlocked yet.

Uh, listen, I hate the learning curve on SPAAs too, but Germany has arguably the best SPAA line out of any nation; even the first SPAA in rank 1 should still have the firepower to swat ~3.3 planes out of the sky, though it isn't the ideal vehicle to be using. The only bad SPAA anywhere around 3.3 Germany is the Sd. Kfz. 6/2 with the single, relatively slow-firing 3.7 cm cannon.

[SpiralRazor]

Publicado originalmente por Jaes:

Combined arms game has combined arms elements included in its game modes with various vehicles that perform various roles to facilitate victory.

Shocking.

why are there no SPAA in air battles?

[DevilDaRebel]

Publicado originalmente por SpiralRazor:

Publicado originalmente por Jaes:

Combined arms game has combined arms elements included in its game modes with various vehicles that perform various roles to facilitate victory.

Shocking.

why are there no SPAA in air battles?

There are NPC SPAA in Air Battles, top tier SPAA consist of heat-seekers.

[shadain597]

Publicado originalmente por SpiralRazor:

Publicado originalmente por Jaes:

Combined arms game has combined arms elements included in its game modes with various vehicles that perform various roles to facilitate victory.

Shocking.

why are there no SPAA in air battles?

Technically, there are, but they are AI-controlled. And, given the scale of the Air battles, it wouldn't be hard to simply avoid a semi-competent player-controlled SPAA (or easily dispatch a less-competent player by engaging on your own terms).

[SpiralRazor]

Also...generally there is a huge gap between ~4 and ~8 br in terms of SPAA....thats why those brs suck so hard in terms of CAS effectiveness vs SPAA opportunity.

Do you proponents of the current system really not realize how hard CAS falls off after people can access radar guided ordnance and guided missiles? At 8.3, the amount of people spamming planes decreases significantly, and by 10+, ive gone entire games with only 1 or 2 planes spawned in...maybe a heli or two if its the sit way in the back and launch fire and forget missiles types. At 4.0 to 8.00, planes pretty much wreck everything. There are even some AAs, due to the gap, that cant even track their targets with enough speed to engage them. Trying to hit early jets with non prox fuse and guided 40mm AA is an exercise in futility, and not every faction has a bullet hose type.. Plus, as soon as you open up youre targeted shortly thereafter. Whats the reward? Much less then i would have had if i just spawned something else because youll have a 30-40% activity score trying to hide from tanks and also trying to keep an eye out for planes..

.meh, i say..meh.