Gaijin possibly the most greedy company in industry?

[AJ-2-Toke]

This game is designed by industry experts in an extremely greedy way to make you addicted and spend alot of money.

Google Dopamine and how companies use it to make you addicted and a mindless consumer.

Ill explain quikly.

First they lur you in saying the game is free.

The first vehicles are easy to unlock.
You start to unlock new vehicles-you get a dopamine release in your brain.

As you start to learn the game and enjoy it, you start to try to unlock more vehicles, each time you do you get more and more dopamine released into your brain. This starts an addiction.

As soon as you clear rank 1 and rank 2, the vehicles start costing alot more research points to get, gradually increasing more in more the higher level you get.

This is when they start sucking you wallet out of you.
They have premium accounts-premium vehicles-crew research points-silver lions-vehicles cost more and more silver loins-they have research boosters-orders- ALL THIS YOU CAN USE REAL MONEY TO GET.

When you reach the mid high tear, and you get serious hard core players. THEY SPEND HUNDREDS IFNOT THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS to get competitive vehicles and stay top tear.

The worst part they still lurr more people in with "Free content" aka more vehicles, aka MORE RESEARCH AKA MORE MONEY $$$$

All this wile you play hundreds of rounds in the same old ww2 2014 designed maps, with minor changes in sound and lighting effects every now and then.

They continue to push and push more and more new vehicles and slowly start to fix gameplay issues like unbalances. They dont even have that clear.

They dont even have a single different game mode! ITS CAPTURE THE POINT EVERY SINGLE ROUND!!!!!

The game is so unbalanced from all the new vehicles they pump that they juggle around BR ratings like a circus trying to see where it fits.

This is a seriously terrible company. They have a great game, but its designed around sucking your money and they do not care about anything else. As long as they keep the consumer distracted enough from the truth to keep spending they will not stop.

This is one of the worst cases iv ever seen in how a game is designed to make people addicted and greedy in making the research time for each high tear vehicle so extreme that hard core players spend HUNDREDS of dollars to be competitive and to reach top tear.

I can assure you, you do not have high tear vehicles in this game, because if you did you would know when i say this company is terribly greedy.

I have spent over 500 dollars on this game, over 1.8k hours. I know what im talking about.

If you still think company aren't greedy because they have something for free, you will be eaten by the wolves in life and forever a sheep to consumerism.

[HeroicHeathen]

Автор сообщения: YeahJustme

Автор сообщения: Gefahr

I have never played FIFA so I can not say much about it. Why do you have to buy it every year ?

Everything you listed still seems like a better offer to me than a company asking me to pay 50 bucks for ONE FU....ING TANK that isn't even designed on a simulator battle (no interior and such).

You have to buy the new fifa every year bc nobody plays old fifa. But you are essentially paying 60€ a year to play a game you already have.

And titanfall is a faulty product, it dosent work

And in war thunder nobody is forcing you to pay for the vehciles in game.
They dont give you any sort of advantage over others, you can play the game perfectly fine without them and without missing out on anything

only thing you need is premium account at around rank 4

Ok but this is a problem with multiplayer based games in general. You could still play with your friends or some randoms, I doubt EVERYONE switches to the new version.

War Thunder is forcing you to pay for vehicles & premium as otherwise you can no unlock new vehicles anymore before you retire & usually lose money and cant repair anymore.
The forcing/pressurizing people in to it is far too much and unreasonable at this point.

[KokkoJustus]

Автор сообщения: Gefahr

Автор сообщения: YeahJustme

You have to buy the new fifa every year bc nobody plays old fifa. But you are essentially paying 60€ a year to play a game you already have.

And titanfall is a faulty product, it dosent work

And in war thunder nobody is forcing you to pay for the vehciles in game.
They dont give you any sort of advantage over others, you can play the game perfectly fine without them and without missing out on anything

only thing you need is premium account at around rank 4

War Thunder is forcing you to pay for vehicles & premium as otherwise you can no unlock new vehicles anymore before you retire & usually lose money and cant repair anymore.
The forcing/pressurizing people in to it is far too much and unreasonable at this point.

I reached my first top tier in like 2 months of semi casual playing.
No premium vehicles.

Only thing you need is a 3€/month premium account after around rank 4-5

[YeahJustme]

Автор сообщения: Gefahr

Автор сообщения: YeahJustme

You have to buy the new fifa every year bc nobody plays old fifa. But you are essentially paying 60€ a year to play a game you already have.

And titanfall is a faulty product, it dosent work

And in war thunder nobody is forcing you to pay for the vehciles in game.
They dont give you any sort of advantage over others, you can play the game perfectly fine without them and without missing out on anything

only thing you need is premium account at around rank 4

Ok but this is a problem with multiplayer based games in general. You could still play with your friends or some randoms, I doubt EVERYONE switches to the new version.

The old fifa gets abandoned by devs which means no events or such. The point of it is playing multiplayer,

playing against friends as a lan game like a match or 2 every then and again works okay, but it alone wont justify the full price + hundreds in micro transactions

[Harry Nurpplez]

It's EA. Definitely EA. By far. Though no doubt Gaijin is in the top 10 for sure.

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Автор сообщения: Gefahr

Автор сообщения: YeahJustme

This is just wrong

Look at fifa for example. A game that you have to buy every year and nothing really changes, and you are pretty much forced to pay real moeny for packs to even play the 60€ game you just bought.

Or look at Titanfall. A game you cannot even play in multiplayer bc some hacker is using bots to keep anyone from accessing the multiplayer and kicking real players from matches.
And EA is still actively selling the game while not doing anything to fix the issues it has.

Look at battlefront 2, they had to compeletely revamp the 60€ AAA game because the lootboxes and microtransactions were so bad that goverments had to take action.

Look at the sims 4's 640€ worth of DLCs.

And i could keep on going but i think that even with your intelligence you should get the point.

With war thunder, you can effectively play free for a hundreds of hours before running to the point where you need a premium account.
And even then, its like 3€ a month if you get it on sale

And premium vehicles are not needed for anything, you can play the game just fine without them and not be in any kind of disadvantage

I have never played FIFA so I can not say much about it. Why do you have to buy it every year ?

Teams change from season to season, people wanna keep it up to date with how it is so its a good business like that..

I only played fifa 05/06 maybe it got something to do with online support too, idk.

[HeroicHeathen]

Автор сообщения: KokkoJustus

Автор сообщения: Gefahr

War Thunder is forcing you to pay for vehicles & premium as otherwise you can no unlock new vehicles anymore before you retire & usually lose money and cant repair anymore.
The forcing/pressurizing people in to it is far too much and unreasonable at this point.

I reached my first top tier in like 2 months of semi casual playing.
No premium vehicles.

Only thing you need is a 3€/month premium account after around rank 4-5

Maybe if you really really focus only on one nation and even then it is quite a grind. You have played probably 12 hours a day, normal working people have between 30 minutes and 2 maybe 3 hours of gaming time a day. Be honest here.

Автор сообщения: Tidsloop

Автор сообщения: Gefahr

I have never played FIFA so I can not say much about it. Why do you have to buy it every year ?

Teams change from season to season, people wanna keep it up to date with how it is so its a good business like that..

I only played fifa 05/06 maybe it got something to do with online support too, idk.

Good that I find football horribly boring then and would never be arsed to play anything football related other than running myself on the field in real life (this is somewhat fun)

[hsf_]

Автор сообщения: Gefahr

Автор сообщения: YeahJustme

This is just wrong

Look at fifa for example. A game that you have to buy every year and nothing really changes, and you are pretty much forced to pay real moeny for packs to even play the 60€ game you just bought.

Or look at Titanfall. A game you cannot even play in multiplayer bc some hacker is using bots to keep anyone from accessing the multiplayer and kicking real players from matches.
And EA is still actively selling the game while not doing anything to fix the issues it has.

Look at battlefront 2, they had to compeletely revamp the 60€ AAA game because the lootboxes and microtransactions were so bad that goverments had to take action.

Look at the sims 4's 640€ worth of DLCs.

And i could keep on going but i think that even with your intelligence you should get the point.

With war thunder, you can effectively play free for a hundreds of hours before running to the point where you need a premium account.
And even then, its like 3€ a month if you get it on sale

And premium vehicles are not needed for anything, you can play the game just fine without them and not be in any kind of disadvantage

I have never played FIFA so I can not say much about it. Why do you have to buy it every year ?

Everything you listed still seems like a better offer to me than a company asking me to pay 50 bucks for ONE FU....ING TANK that isn't even designed on a simulator battle (no interior and such).

Probably a matter of opinion? I am just pretty sure that if you compare the pricing of features, you get less out of War Thunder than any EA title, DLC or what not.

EA do annual AAA releases that still require microtransactions to play the full experience.
EA liquidate companies that don't meet their unrealistic targets.
EA consistently release broken games.
EA consistently lie.
EA compared loot boxes to Kinder Eggs and called them "surprise" mechanics.
EA released a AAA game that required to you pay to progress...
EA banned discussion on adding an anti-cheat to the Battlefield games, resulting in forum members getting banned from the forums.

[KokkoJustus]

Автор сообщения: Gefahr

Автор сообщения: KokkoJustus

I reached my first top tier in like 2 months of semi casual playing.
No premium vehicles.

Only thing you need is a 3€/month premium account after around rank 4-5

Maybe if you really really focus only on one nation and even then it is quite a grind. You have played probably 12 hours a day, normal working people have between 30 minutes and 2 maybe 3 hours of gaming time a day. Be honest here.

I am pretty sure i said semi casual and not "ultra hardcore"

I played like 1-2.5h a day during that 2 months. so about 10 or so matches a day

[KokkoJustus]

Автор сообщения: Ghojo

Автор сообщения: burg4401

as said, do your research, it is not a scam, it has always been this way.
again, it is called balance and an attempt to make a fair game.
it is not something new.

Why do you not want a fair game, did you buy something that got nerfed,
did you think you were getting a pay to win?.....oh dear.

you would rather the game is unfair.

At this point you are now just arguing for the hell of it.

When you say things like "my and many other peoples" this just proves that you are now making things up, you have no idea what is going on in other peoples heads.
You speak for yourself, no one else, stop pretending.

next time do your research, don't blame something else like a games company for your actions or lack of.

read the small print.

Dude, stop whiteknighting for gaijin. Selling a product and then later on changing a product for the worse is per legal definition a scam

So, theoretically a developer publishing an update to some game that people dont like for some reason falls under a definition of scam?
Either your definitions are not correct or you could sue like almost every developer and publisher and author

+ you arent thecnically buying a product.

You are lisencing the use of it

+ Gaijin has a terms of service which you agreed to when creating an account and buying ♥♥♥♥

so they really wouldnt lose in court

[HeroicHeathen]

Автор сообщения: Ghojo

Автор сообщения: burg4401

as said, do your research, it is not a scam, it has always been this way.
again, it is called balance and an attempt to make a fair game.
it is not something new.

Why do you not want a fair game, did you buy something that got nerfed,
did you think you were getting a pay to win?.....oh dear.

you would rather the game is unfair.

At this point you are now just arguing for the hell of it.

When you say things like "my and many other peoples" this just proves that you are now making things up, you have no idea what is going on in other peoples heads.
You speak for yourself, no one else, stop pretending.

next time do your research, don't blame something else like a games company for your actions or lack of.

read the small print.

Dude, stop whiteknighting for gaijin. Selling a product and then later on changing a product for the worse is per legal definition a scam, and gaijin can be happy no one has taken them to court yet - where they would definitely lose the case.

In any other industry gaijin would have long been sued to hell and back for their behaviour, but for some reason in the gaming industry, there is plenty of whiteknights who defend such corporate greed like it's their personal religion.

They are fan boys. Legality goes beyond their moral understandings.

[neldot]

Greedy? Sure, there are a lot of ingame dynamics that have no reason to exist other than to push players to spend real money.

It's pretty hilarious to read the ones that defend Gaijin saying that you can have everything for free with the warbonds and battlepass, but then they forget to calculate how many hours of grinding are needed for those "free" prizes. I just calculated that it took me more than 60 hours of grinding to obtain two premium vehicles with the BP. If I would have chose to work that hours instead, I would have earned enough money to buy 20 or more premium vehicles, so no, it's not exactly for free.

The most greedy? No, there are worst Companies out there, but it's just sad that they aren't able to disown the greediness path, and find a better equilibrium between forced grinding and players satisfaction, that would make for a larger and more faithful player base and, in the long term, it would greatly benefit their earnings too.

[HeroicHeathen]

Автор сообщения: neldot

Greedy? Sure, there are a lot of ingame dynamics that have no reason to exist other than to push players to spend real money.

It's pretty hilarious to read the ones that defend Gaijin saying that you can have everything for free with the warbonds and battlepass, but then they forget to calculate how many hours of grinding are needed for those "free" prizes. I just calculated that it took me more than 60 hours of grinding to obtain two premium vehicles with the BP. If I would have chose to work that hours instead, I would have earned enough money to buy 20 or more premium vehicles, so no, it's not exactly for free.

The most greedy? No, there are worst Companies out there, but it's just sad that they aren't able to disown the greediness path, and find a better equilibrium between forced grinding and players satisfaction, that would make for a larger and more faithful player base and, in the long term, it would greatly benefit their earnings too.

Maybe we can all agree to come to the conclusion that their business-model is (greedy) invasive enough to get more negative reactions than they should as a free to play game.
Especially if we consider that there aren't any new game modes and many ground maps are far below what is good and feel like they are not designed for actual tank battles.

Game is fun until you get hit from some magical position and it's fun until you win, had plenty of kills, leave the match and notice that you did not get as many RP for it as you should deserve.

Eventually THIS is what triggers people about their business model.

My personal opinion is also that I really dislike that you can't refund vehicles. If I have a premium vehicle that I really really hate or that has gotten nerfed down to hell, then a refund should indeed be a possibility offered for a customer that has already been very loyal and invested hundreds of euros in to the game. My personal opinion for a good and fair business model and good customer service.

On the other side I also know how business is made in most Slavic countries...so I won't even bother.

[Ponto]

Companies that do not make money do not last very long. Your assertion about companies is ludicrous.

[AJ-2-Toke]

Автор сообщения: Ponto

Companies that do not make money do not last very long. Your assertion about companies is ludicrous.

I deleted my comment because I was trying to leave it on your last comment that I liked.

But to refresh I was on the point that this company centers around making money, and other around its consumers.

You do not need to center you business model around making money. You can center you model around quality product and money is a result.

Money is not focus, money is a result. Of course if you don't make money you don't last. But the focus is different.

You have artist that make music that don't think about how to structure a song in a way it will cash in the best, they make good music. Main stream music thinks about making music appealing to masses.

When starting my business you can think about the quality in equipment, the quality of service you provide, how to maximize making the best product possible for people, and from there calculate profit as a result.

Then you have companies that are structured around making money, the big named companies that do this. That study psychological ways to make you addicted and give the bare minimum you need to think they are a good company to suck you dry

But thanks to this you gain loyal costumers that come to you instead of the big brands.

[YeahJustme]

Автор сообщения: neldot

Greedy? Sure, there are a lot of ingame dynamics that have no reason to exist other than to push players to spend real money.

Tbf, only thing you need to buy if you want to play high tiers is premium account.

Everything else is unnececcary. you dont need premium vehicles for anything really, but you can get a tier 3 premiums on sale for few euros if you want to buy something