Gaijin possibly the most greedy company in industry?

[AJ-2-Toke]

This game is designed by industry experts in an extremely greedy way to make you addicted and spend alot of money.

Google Dopamine and how companies use it to make you addicted and a mindless consumer.

Ill explain quikly.

First they lur you in saying the game is free.

The first vehicles are easy to unlock.
You start to unlock new vehicles-you get a dopamine release in your brain.

As you start to learn the game and enjoy it, you start to try to unlock more vehicles, each time you do you get more and more dopamine released into your brain. This starts an addiction.

As soon as you clear rank 1 and rank 2, the vehicles start costing alot more research points to get, gradually increasing more in more the higher level you get.

This is when they start sucking you wallet out of you.
They have premium accounts-premium vehicles-crew research points-silver lions-vehicles cost more and more silver loins-they have research boosters-orders- ALL THIS YOU CAN USE REAL MONEY TO GET.

When you reach the mid high tear, and you get serious hard core players. THEY SPEND HUNDREDS IFNOT THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS to get competitive vehicles and stay top tear.

The worst part they still lurr more people in with "Free content" aka more vehicles, aka MORE RESEARCH AKA MORE MONEY $$$$

All this wile you play hundreds of rounds in the same old ww2 2014 designed maps, with minor changes in sound and lighting effects every now and then.

They continue to push and push more and more new vehicles and slowly start to fix gameplay issues like unbalances. They dont even have that clear.

They dont even have a single different game mode! ITS CAPTURE THE POINT EVERY SINGLE ROUND!!!!!

The game is so unbalanced from all the new vehicles they pump that they juggle around BR ratings like a circus trying to see where it fits.

This is a seriously terrible company. They have a great game, but its designed around sucking your money and they do not care about anything else. As long as they keep the consumer distracted enough from the truth to keep spending they will not stop.

This is one of the worst cases iv ever seen in how a game is designed to make people addicted and greedy in making the research time for each high tear vehicle so extreme that hard core players spend HUNDREDS of dollars to be competitive and to reach top tear.

I can assure you, you do not have high tear vehicles in this game, because if you did you would know when i say this company is terribly greedy.

I have spent over 500 dollars on this game, over 1.8k hours. I know what im talking about.

If you still think company aren't greedy because they have something for free, you will be eaten by the wolves in life and forever a sheep to consumerism.

[HeroicHeathen]

Originally posted by burg4401:

Originally posted by Gefahr:

a.k.a scam

called balance and making the game fair, not hard to understand.

this is not WoT, do your research and you will see that things regardless of premium get balanced and have done right from the start.

The thing is, if you don't like don't do it, no one is forcing you.

Selling products for 60 bucks and then making them weak after that is scam. Nothing to do with balance as you can balance a product (tank,plane what not) before you offer it for a lot of money, this is known as pre-release testing.

But keep coming up with your made up excuses to defend shady companies and scam offers. This might be a grey-zone kind if thing, but in my and many other peoples book this is SCAM. A legal form of scam.

[burg4401]

Originally posted by Gefahr:

Originally posted by burg4401:

called balance and making the game fair, not hard to understand.

this is not WoT, do your research and you will see that things regardless of premium get balanced and have done right from the start.

The thing is, if you don't like don't do it, no one is forcing you.

Selling products for 60 bucks and then making them weak after that is scam. Nothing to do with balance as you can balance a product (tank,plane what not) before you offer it for a lot of money, this is known as pre-release testing.

But keep coming up with your made up excuses to defend shady companies and scam offers. This might be a grey-zone kind if thing, but in my and many other peoples book this is SCAM. A legal form of scam.

as said, do your research, it is not a scam, it has always been this way.
again, it is called balance and an attempt to make a fair game.
it is not something new.

Why do you not want a fair game, did you buy something that got nerfed,
did you think you were getting a pay to win?.....oh dear.

you would rather the game is unfair.

At this point you are now just arguing for the hell of it.

When you say things like "my and many other peoples" this just proves that you are now making things up, you have no idea what is going on in other peoples heads.
You speak for yourself, no one else, stop pretending.

next time do your research, don't blame something else like a games company for your actions or lack of.

read the small print.

[IamJoeTV]

Not even close, try WarGaming.

[HeroicHeathen]

Originally posted by burg4401:

Originally posted by Gefahr:

Selling products for 60 bucks and then making them weak after that is scam. Nothing to do with balance as you can balance a product (tank,plane what not) before you offer it for a lot of money, this is known as pre-release testing.

But keep coming up with your made up excuses to defend shady companies and scam offers. This might be a grey-zone kind if thing, but in my and many other peoples book this is SCAM. A legal form of scam.

as said, do your research, it is not a scam, it has always been this way.
again, it is called balance and an attempt to make a fair game.
it is not something new.

Why do you not want a fair game, did you buy something that got nerfed,
did you think you were getting a pay to win?.....oh dear.

you would rather the game is unfair.

At this point you are now just arguing for the hell of it.

When you say things like "my and many other peoples" this just proves that you are now making things up, you have no idea what is going on in other peoples heads.
You speak for yourself, no one else, stop pretending.

next time do your research, don't blame something else like a games company for your actions or lack of.

read the small print.

You justify something by saying it has always been like this lol.

Just because something has been around for long or because a company claims there is a solid reason for such action, does not make it any less scam and inappropriately.

Nerfing vehicles that have just been sold for a solid price is unecessary and a scam, testing can be done beforehand. Simple.

So I agree to disagree, if you dont feel scammed, cool for you, Gaijin needs players like you ;)

[Futuristic Hexagon]

Originally posted by I am Joe:

Not even close, try WarGaming.

I still have memories of having to fight against super special premium Type 59s in a BT tank all those years back.

[Marlowe-33]

Well at least we don't have gold ammo (yet) , that's always made me laugh.

[76561198315424152]

I dont think it is greed so much as out of tune with the games the top of the company make some of the decisions about. But ofcourse they would benefit a ton of showing more generosity, providing eagles with dlc packs to mention one of many things..(like someone said, lets not do that anymore)

[hsf_]

Gaijin couldn't hold a candle to EA's level of greed.

[HeroicHeathen]

Originally posted by hsf_:

Gaijin couldn't hold a candle to EA's level of greed.

EA: Sells a triple A title game for 50 euros, including campaigns, skirmish, multiplayer some even an editor.

Gaijin: Sells one premium tank/plane for 50 euros that gets nerved after a few months and does not make you grind much faster without an extra premium acc.

Yeah. Gaijin couldn't hold a candle to EA's level of greed *sarcasm*

[shadain597]

Originally posted by Gefahr:

Nerfing vehicles that have just been sold for a solid price is unecessary and a scam, testing can be done beforehand. Simple.

Except that Gaijin does not balance vehicles by their physical performance, or theoretical performance. Instead, they balance based on player statistics. So, yeah, they can get a few dozen or even a few hundred people to play as the new vehicle and against it, but that's still not going to be a good representation of the entire playerbase. Plus, it's really an industry standard to err on the side of making the new, purchasable stuff a little too strong, rather than too weak. I played League of Legends for a while and can't remember a single character being released that didn't need some kind of nerf.

Also, I think what he meant by it not being a new practice is that you, the customer, have the knowledge available to you to realize what will eventually happen to that OP vehicle you are looking at buying.

Personally, I really appreciate that Gaijin (mostly) balances premiums so that they aren't blatantly P2W.

And as for the OP, I don't like many of Gaijin's decisions, especially the financial ones, but calling them the greediest is definitely hyperbole.

[hsf_]

Originally posted by Gefahr:

Originally posted by hsf_:

Gaijin couldn't hold a candle to EA's level of greed.

EA: Sells a triple A title game for 50 euros, including campaigns, skirmish, multiplayer some even an editor.

Gaijin: Sells one premium tank/plane for 50 euros that gets nerved after a few months and does not make you grind much faster without an extra premium acc.

Yeah. Gaijin couldn't hold a candle to EA's level of greed *sarcasm*

EA are much worse than Gaijin. Just look it up, there is far too much to list in here without spending 200 hours typing.

[HeroicHeathen]

Originally posted by shadain597:

Originally posted by Gefahr:

Nerfing vehicles that have just been sold for a solid price is unecessary and a scam, testing can be done beforehand. Simple.

Except that Gaijin does not balance vehicles by their physical performance, or theoretical performance. Instead, they balance based on player statistics. So, yeah, they can get a few dozen or even a few hundred people to play as the new vehicle and against it, but that's still not going to be a good representation of the entire playerbase. Plus, it's really an industry standard to err on the side of making the new, purchasable stuff a little too strong, rather than too weak. I played League of Legends for a while and can't remember a single character being released that didn't need some kind of nerf.

Also, I think what he meant by it not being a new practice is that you, the customer, have the knowledge available to you to realize what will eventually happen to that OP vehicle you are looking at buying.

Personally, I really appreciate that Gaijin (mostly) balances premiums so that they aren't blatantly P2W.

And as for the OP, I don't like many of Gaijin's decisions, especially the financial ones, but calling them the greediest is definitely hyperbole.

They need to mention that they are going to nerf the tank after I bought it with every process of me transfering money to them.
I was not informed about it, which means this is an illegal activity and I could technically take to court.

Gaijin is not an honest nor reliable game producer and it massively abuses the position it currently is in, being the only game that offers a combination of all those vehicles.

It is just a matter of time until there is a new opponent game arising that is not as greedy or does well with selling one full version and a few expansions. This would be the end of War Thunder.

I mean have you tried playing Enlisted for example`? Also a rip off game and shallow as hell.

[YeahJustme]

Originally posted by Gefahr:

Originally posted by hsf_:

Gaijin couldn't hold a candle to EA's level of greed.

EA: Sells a triple A title game for 50 euros, including campaigns, skirmish, multiplayer some even an editor.

Gaijin: Sells one premium tank/plane for 50 euros that gets nerved after a few months and does not make you grind much faster without an extra premium acc.

This is just wrong

Look at fifa for example. A game that you have to buy every year and nothing really changes, and you are pretty much forced to pay real moeny for packs to even play the 60€ game you just bought.

Or look at Titanfall. A game you cannot even play in multiplayer bc some hacker is using bots to keep anyone from accessing the multiplayer and kicking real players from matches.
And EA is still actively selling the game while not doing anything to fix the issues it has.

Look at battlefront 2, they had to compeletely revamp the 60€ AAA game because the lootboxes and microtransactions were so bad that goverments had to take action.

Look at the sims 4's 640€ worth of DLCs. that you need to own most of to have the full experience

And i could keep on going but i think that even with your intelligence you should get the point.

With war thunder, you can effectively play free for a hundreds of hours before running to the point where you need a premium account.
And even then, its like 3€ a month if you get it on sale

And premium vehicles are not needed for anything, you can play the game just fine without them and not be in any kind of disadvantage

[HeroicHeathen]

Originally posted by YeahJustme:

Originally posted by Gefahr:

EA: Sells a triple A title game for 50 euros, including campaigns, skirmish, multiplayer some even an editor.

Gaijin: Sells one premium tank/plane for 50 euros that gets nerved after a few months and does not make you grind much faster without an extra premium acc.

This is just wrong

Look at fifa for example. A game that you have to buy every year and nothing really changes, and you are pretty much forced to pay real moeny for packs to even play the 60€ game you just bought.

Or look at Titanfall. A game you cannot even play in multiplayer bc some hacker is using bots to keep anyone from accessing the multiplayer and kicking real players from matches.
And EA is still actively selling the game while not doing anything to fix the issues it has.

Look at battlefront 2, they had to compeletely revamp the 60€ AAA game because the lootboxes and microtransactions were so bad that goverments had to take action.

Look at the sims 4's 640€ worth of DLCs.

And i could keep on going but i think that even with your intelligence you should get the point.

With war thunder, you can effectively play free for a hundreds of hours before running to the point where you need a premium account.
And even then, its like 3€ a month if you get it on sale

And premium vehicles are not needed for anything, you can play the game just fine without them and not be in any kind of disadvantage

I have never played FIFA so I can not say much about it. Why do you have to buy it every year ?

Everything you listed still seems like a better offer to me than a company asking me to pay 50 bucks for ONE FU....ING TANK that isn't even designed on a simulator battle (no interior and such).

Probably a matter of opinion? I am just pretty sure that if you compare the pricing of features, you get less out of War Thunder than any EA title, DLC or what not.

[YeahJustme]

Originally posted by Gefahr:

I have never played FIFA so I can not say much about it. Why do you have to buy it every year ?

Everything you listed still seems like a better offer to me than a company asking me to pay 50 bucks for ONE FU....ING TANK that isn't even designed on a simulator battle (no interior and such).

You have to buy the new fifa every year bc nobody plays old fifa. But you are essentially paying 60€ a year to play a game you already have.

And titanfall is a faulty product, it dosent work

And in war thunder nobody is forcing you to pay for the vehciles in game.
They dont give you any sort of advantage over others, you can play the game perfectly fine without them and without missing out on anything

only thing you need is premium account at around rank 4
but youll have 100+ hours of content before reaching that point

It isnt even matter of opinion, its just that you are objectively wrong here