Remove the 279

[Outlaw Wolf]

This is by far the most broken tank in the game and it needs to be balanced or removed. The APFSDS literally just bounces off rarely doing anything and the MGM-51B kills a gunner and before the rocket is reloaded the gunner is already back up. It has basically come down to which team has more 279's on their team will win. Its honestly a joke and if you say differently you are either stupid or you're troll. If anyone has advice on how to beat a 279 that isn't by stop playing would be greatly appreciated.

[burg4401]

play with the armour pen analysis.

[Zailplane]

It is extremely easy to disable and destroy. Just do a bit of research of where to shoot it.

[Qu Rahn]

Originally posted by XEE2:

It is extremely easy to disable and destroy. Just do a bit of research of where to shoot it.

'extremely easy', yeah sure.
turret is as strong as a t-64, driver's port is an unreliable spot to shoot. But hey, it's easy to destroy when playing 9.3 or atgm vehicles.

[Doctor Eggman]

Originally posted by Qu Rahn:

Originally posted by XEE2:

It is extremely easy to disable and destroy. Just do a bit of research of where to shoot it.

'extremely easy', yeah sure.
turret is as strong as a t-64, driver's port is an unreliable spot to shoot. But hey, it's easy to destroy when playing 9.3 or atgm vehicles.

The entire turret ring can be penned by anything from any angle that has over 80mm of pen, this actually makes it pathetically easy to kill by autocannon vehicles.

[Qu Rahn]

Originally posted by Alien Alien:

Originally posted by Qu Rahn:

'extremely easy', yeah sure.
turret is as strong as a t-64, driver's port is an unreliable spot to shoot. But hey, it's easy to destroy when playing 9.3 or atgm vehicles.

The entire turret ring can be penned by anything from any angle that has over 80mm of pen, this actually makes it pathetically easy to kill by autocannon vehicles.

jeez, the abrams turret ring is 50mm, I guess abrams are all ♥♥♥♥ tanks. Come to think of it, almost all vehicles have weak turret rings, the game must be perfectly balanced according to you.

[Doctor Eggman]

Originally posted by Qu Rahn:

Originally posted by Alien Alien:

The entire turret ring can be penned by anything from any angle that has over 80mm of pen, this actually makes it pathetically easy to kill by autocannon vehicles.

jeez, the abrams turret ring is 50mm, I guess abrams are all ♥♥♥♥ tanks. Come to think of it, almost all vehicles have weak turret rings, the game must be perfectly balanced according to you.

Nice strawman argument. Last I remember the 279 doesn't have thermals, doesn't have NATO gun depression, has less hull armor than the IS-7, uses traditional ammo at a BR that uses sabot and it can still be penned by almost everything it sees.

I make mincemeat out of the thing when I'm in my AUBL, and I own the darn thing myself. Considering that the AUBL technically has one of the worst APFSDS shells in the game, just barely eke'ing out the Type 69 its not overpowered.

Yes, its very strong if you're fighting it in a tank that uses traditional ammo, but then again almost everything is hard at that point.

The vast majority of people I hear complaining are the kinds of people that catch me on a flank, don't actually bother to aim at weak points in the armor, shoot, do nothing, and then whine when my gun turns and shoots them back, yet I have no issue doing the same in their shoes. :/

[Qu Rahn]

Originally posted by Alien Alien:

Nice strawman argument. Last I remember the 279 doesn't have thermals, doesn't have NATO gun depression, has less hull armor than the IS-7, uses traditional ammo at a BR that uses sabot and it can still be penned by almost everything it sees.

I make mincemeat out of the thing when I'm in my AUBL, and I own the darn thing myself. Considering that the AUBL technically has one of the worst APFSDS shells in the game, just barely eke'ing out the Type 69 its not overpowered.

Yes, its very strong if you're fighting it in a tank that uses traditional ammo, but then again almost everything is hard at that point.

The vast majority of people I hear complaining are the kinds of people that catch me on a flank, don't actually bother to aim at weak points in the armor, shoot, do nothing, and then whine when my gun turns and shoots them back, yet I have no issue doing the same in their shoes. :/

You implied the 279 is fine because of a weak turret ring. It's not. Almost all tanks have weak turret rings, that is FAR from being the only measure of a tank being good or not. If anything turret rings are a useless metric when comparing vehicles.
There is no strawman, only excuses of people who own the 279 and don't want their shiny new toy actually balanced.

Nice that you mention the IS-7, last time I saw it it didn't have thermals, doesn't have nato depression, uses AP, actually has less armor than the 279 (despite what you believe) and you know what else it doesn't have, that the bobject 279 does? Stabs. And yet it sits at the same BR.
Oh, and last month the IS-7 sported 80%+ wins in AB, 50%+ in RB, and 70%+ in simulator. In AB/Sim it actually has 8+ kills/battle, 4+ kills/battle in RB. Clearly balanced.

And tbh I can't quite believe my eyes reading that you don't think it's broken because it can be killed using some of the most broken vehicles ever introduced to the game.

Meanwhile USSR actual 8.3 heavy, the T-10M, has 50% wr in AB and 48% in RB. Less than a quarter the kills in AB than the IS-7, for that matter. It also doesn't have thermals, no nato gun depression, and has infinitely less armor than both IS-7 & 279.


But alas, maybe xee2 is right, and I'm too much of a ♥♥♥♥♥♥ to see it's so easy to destroy and all those players bobing their bobjects 279 with 6 kills 2 min into the game are just illusions from bad quality beer. Sure.

[Doctor Eggman]

Originally posted by Qu Rahn:

Originally posted by Alien Alien:

Nice strawman argument. Last I remember the 279 doesn't have thermals, doesn't have NATO gun depression, has less hull armor than the IS-7, uses traditional ammo at a BR that uses sabot and it can still be penned by almost everything it sees.

I make mincemeat out of the thing when I'm in my AUBL, and I own the darn thing myself. Considering that the AUBL technically has one of the worst APFSDS shells in the game, just barely eke'ing out the Type 69 its not overpowered.

Yes, its very strong if you're fighting it in a tank that uses traditional ammo, but then again almost everything is hard at that point.

The vast majority of people I hear complaining are the kinds of people that catch me on a flank, don't actually bother to aim at weak points in the armor, shoot, do nothing, and then whine when my gun turns and shoots them back, yet I have no issue doing the same in their shoes. :/

You implied the 279 is fine because of a weak turret ring. It's not. Almost all tanks have weak turret rings, that is FAR from being the only measure of a tank being good or not. If anything turret rings are a useless metric when comparing vehicles.
There is no strawman, only excuses of people who own the 279 and don't want their shiny new toy actually balanced.

Nice that you mention the IS-7, last time I saw it it didn't have thermals, doesn't have nato depression, uses AP, actually has less armor than the 279 (despite what you believe) and you know what else it doesn't have, that the bobject 279 does? Stabs. And yet it sits at the same BR.
Oh, and last month the IS-7 sported 80%+ wins in AB, 50%+ in RB, and 70%+ in simulator. In AB/Sim it actually has 8+ kills/battle, 4+ kills/battle in RB. Clearly balanced.

And tbh I can't quite believe my eyes reading that you don't think it's broken because it can be killed using some of the most broken vehicles ever introduced to the game.

Meanwhile USSR actual 8.3 heavy, the T-10M, has 50% wr in AB and 48% in RB. Less than a quarter the kills in AB than the IS-7, for that matter. It also doesn't have thermals, no nato gun depression, and has infinitely less armor than both IS-7 & 279.


But alas, maybe xee2 is right, and I'm too much of a ♥♥♥♥♥♥ to see it's so easy to destroy and all those players bobing their bobjects 279 with 6 kills 2 min into the game are just illusions from bad quality beer. Sure.

Go actually look at the IS-7 in the armor analysis again and come back.

It has far less weakspots than the 279. (frontally) Its upper front plate is basically impenetrable whilst the 279 suffers from T-64 / T-80 syndrome in where you shoot centre mass and get the kill or cripple it.

The IS-7 also has no visible turret ring weakness at all, like most Russian Heavy tanks.

The main upside is not having a LFP to worry about, but even then that wasn't a 1 shot tactic against the IS-7 either especially if he's carrying low ammo.
The side armor looks better than the IS-7 but the thing is just a driving ammo rack with the cramped crew compartment, so if you get a side shot through that thing is going up in flames.

Armor is the meta in AB, no surprise there. RB it doesn't matter so much, but it also matters in SB because of the gun parralax to the gunsight, so those winrates are expected unless you want these tanks to be literally useless.

The killcount is also an unfair statistic to bring up, the vast majority of IS-7 owners are experienced players that could actually be bothered to grind for the event and its a pretty rare tank at that. Almost every event vehicle in this regard has inflated stats so you have to take them with a pinch of salt.

For instance, the E-100 is nothing but a skinny Maus with armor panels you can blow off, but it does better than the Maus generally. Hell even the Maus has decent stats overall, but I can 100% guarantee you that its only a small part of the community actually playing the thing.

[Rumpelcrutchskin]

It`s a clown car compared to IS-7, there is a reason why IS-7 costs $500 and Object 279 costs $50.

[Arc]

I have the 279 and have personally experienced dying from the front to a Falcon firing incindiary/HE belts.

[Illusionyary]

Originally posted by Rumpelcrutchskin:

It`s a clown car compared to IS-7, there is a reason why IS-7 costs $500 and Object 279 costs $50.

Not exactly fair given the IS-7 event ended years? ago at this point, so of course the price has risen sharply. That being said I think the lowest I saw one go for was about 120, but fewer people did that event compared to this one thanks to the current health situation.

[Uno Cheesy]

The obj 279 is a very good tank but not overpowered. You just have to know where to shoot it. face on you can shoot right on the nose of the tank and go through with 200-230 pen. that would be like 6.0 br even though it is at 8.7. IF anything it might need more amour.

[NapoleonBornToParty]

depend on what BR
8.3++ ? it's not invincible and pretty easy to kill or disable
<8/7.7 ? yeah this tank is OP

[ErickaUnlimited]

It's not broken. It has tons of weak points if you know what you're doing.

[ErickaUnlimited]

Originally posted by Qu Rahn:

Originally posted by XEE2:

It is extremely easy to disable and destroy. Just do a bit of research of where to shoot it.

'extremely easy', yeah sure.
turret is as strong as a t-64, driver's port is an unreliable spot to shoot. But hey, it's easy to destroy when playing 9.3 or atgm vehicles.

If you know what you're doing, yeah, it's butter.

Its turret ring can be penned by anything, it has several hatches that either traditional APHE or HESH will one-shot. HEAT goes through it like butter, it has issues with the breach breaking all the time.

People just need to learn how to deal with it instead of complaining it is broken.