Infantry

[Happyguy22]

It has been discussed before, but I think it is time we introduce something along the lines of this for ground forces.
For too long have we been forced to bring tanks into urban maps, where armour is near useless. Generally infantry would be difficult to add in, but I do believe that a few issues with said thing can be easily dealt with:

1. Frame drops due to large amount of bodies can be dealt with via despawning, gore slider/not even rendering cadavers.

2. Increase in age rating is forfeit. Hope onto a GTAV server and you will know what I mean. If it really does matter, don't render corpses.

3. Balancing would be done via era of weapon; i.e "Era of bolt-action and sub-machine guns" and "Era of Assault rifles"; this is a contrast to the Battle Rating as this isn't exactly armour we are talking as the character using them would be human.

Premiums could come in the form of prototype weapons like the Parker Hale PDW da nya or the G11 sleepo.

Generally, matches could be based on either tank battles (This would open up the door to motorised and mechanised) or new maps.


This could open the door to more stuff of course. But this isn't without issues:
-Easy ambushes of armour.
-Frequent deaths due to arty.
-Would require buildings being opened.

But, in contrast:
-Extended life of game.
-More players.
-New weaponry.

As well as that, it would be something that could bring life back to the game after so many "bad" updates. Not only that, but helicopters could be used as transportation. Air cavalry. What about naval landings? So many possibilities.

[GIJoe597]

If that is what you want, just play WWII Online.

[TwoChins]

GIJoe597님이 먼저 게시:

If that is what you want, just play WWII Online.

Awful game, don't even.

[[C4Ke] Autumn 🍰]

Since theyre going back on all of their "we wont add this and that" talk,itll probably happen sometime

[Baron901]

Another problem i see with infantry is with planes, tanks and ships in game who wants to play some dude with a rifle?

[kamikazi21358]

I actually have a suggestion, I been thinking about how to get around the age part...


War Thunder Launcher:

Bodies adhere to ragdoll physics and stuff. No blood or gore. Perhaps like Heroes and Generals or something.

If we’re talking about player on player combat, I don’t think bodies should despawn, as they do effect combat (cover and such) (yes I know dead tanks despawn — I am against that).

No terrifying screaming. Flamethrowers and stuff do not burn bodies (they just fall). No foul language. No bodies flailing on the ground like they’re dying but not dead. None of this. Player gets shot, no blood or anything, no graphic details or sounds, they just fall and such.


War Thunder (NSFW) Launcher:

Runs same game, but changes client side.

Graphic deaths, discombobulation, blood.

Screaming, typical death sounds and animation, sometimes bodies act like they’re dying but not dead for realism.

Etc.

[Trollslegur]

They're making an entirely new game for infantry combat...
It's called Enlisted.

This may be because of the rating system for age.
Having your crew "knocked out" is different from a body flying through the air from a satchel charge in the eyes of ratings boards such as the ESRB and PEGI.

[Happyguy22]

Trollslegur님이 먼저 게시:

They're making an entirely new game for infantry combat...
It's called Enlisted.

This may be because of the rating system for age.
Having your crew "knocked out" is different from a body flying through the air from a satchel charge in the eyes of ratings boards such as the ESRB and PEGI.

Doesn't that lack the combined arms aspect of War Thunder? I do recall there being tanks, but no aircraft or ships.

kamikazi21358님이 먼저 게시:

War Thunder Launcher:

Bodies adhere to ragdoll physics and stuff. No blood or gore. Perhaps like Heroes and Generals or something.

If we’re talking about player on player combat, I don’t think bodies should despawn, as they do effect combat (cover and such) (yes I know dead tanks despawn — I am against that).

No terrifying screaming. Flamethrowers and stuff do not burn bodies (they just fall). No foul language. No bodies flailing on the ground like they’re dying but not dead. None of this. Player gets shot, no blood or anything, no graphic details or sounds, they just fall and such.


War Thunder (NSFW) Launcher:

Runs same game, but changes client side.

Graphic deaths, discombobulation, blood.

Screaming, typical death sounds and animation, sometimes bodies act like they’re dying but not dead for realism.

Etc.

I have a memory of killing a GI on RS2VN and hearing them cough up the words "I need a medic" whilst slowly dying was probably the most horrifying aspect. It's fairly vital in sending a message that this was a real situation.

I'd quite like to see a feature where is changes the client details so that it only enables censored via age.


Another matter: chemicals. This would open up the table for other types of shells - most importantly WP and gas shells. Of course this would increase the age rating, but in either case it is still worthy of note.

[RedSector73]

ARMA 3 comes close

[kamikazi21358]

Happyguy22님이 먼저 게시:

kamikazi21358님이 먼저 게시:

War Thunder Launcher:

Bodies adhere to ragdoll physics and stuff. No blood or gore. Perhaps like Heroes and Generals or something.

If we’re talking about player on player combat, I don’t think bodies should despawn, as they do effect combat (cover and such) (yes I know dead tanks despawn — I am against that).

No terrifying screaming. Flamethrowers and stuff do not burn bodies (they just fall). No foul language. No bodies flailing on the ground like they’re dying but not dead. None of this. Player gets shot, no blood or anything, no graphic details or sounds, they just fall and such.


War Thunder (NSFW) Launcher:

Runs same game, but changes client side.

Graphic deaths, discombobulation, blood.

Screaming, typical death sounds and animation, sometimes bodies act like they’re dying but not dead for realism.

Etc.

I have a memory of killing a GI on RS2VN and hearing them cough up the words "I need a medic" whilst slowly dying was probably the most horrifying aspect. It's fairly vital in sending a message that this was a real situation.

I'd quite like to see a feature where is changes the client details so that it only enables censored via age.


Another matter: chemicals. This would open up the table for other types of shells - most importantly WP and gas shells. Of course this would increase the age rating, but in either case it is still worthy of note.

Yes, however, the point of having two completely separate launchers (not option), perhaps the first Launcher can retain it’s current rating or a similar rating, while the other one would defiantly be flat out M (where I live) or it’s equivalent.

[isomorphic_projection]

Infantry would be cool, it would give purpose to the machine guns on tanks. And with footsoldiers, the machinegun doesn't need to go. Now we can remove the barrel. More luck anyway with MG's then shells.

[Skysnow]

For the last time, Gaijin wants to keep the rating down!

[Happyguy22]

isomorphic_projection님이 먼저 게시:

Infantry would be cool, it would give purpose to the machine guns on tanks. And with footsoldiers, the machinegun doesn't need to go. Now we can remove the barrel. More luck anyway with MG's then shells.

Historically the Matilda II had to use it's MG anyway as the 2pdr only has AP.
It'd give more use for bringing a fast firing SPAA as well as standard tanks.
The question I pose is how many kills/incapacitations to get back into a standard tank? I'd guess 1-2 fireteams/1 squad?

Hello there님이 먼저 게시:

For the last time, Gaijin wants to keep the rating down!

Part of the discussion at hand.

[kamikazi21358]

Hello there님이 먼저 게시:

For the last time, Gaijin wants to keep the rating down!

Already proposed changes they could do to bipass this.

War Thunder is rated T, or 12+.
Reference: Heroes and Generals is 13+, a 1 year difference.

Adding infantry without gore or blood (actually I think H&G has a small amount of blood, so perhaps no blood could lower this to ~12+) is about the same rating as the current game.

You do not need brutal discombobulation to make an Infantry game.


An option to get more realistic gameplay could be a completely separate from game, as to uneffect the rating, an NSFW launcher that is M/18+ that is for those who want more realism.

[HOBO ACTUAL]

Ok pls stop asking for infantry it can not happen its impossible. In Germany and other countries adding anything that has things that look like humans dying make it a rated mature game. Gaijin said that they would lose a lot of younger fans in Germany and other countries if they did so they aren't gonna do it. Why do you think it says crew "knocked out" and not killed. Germany had to swap out the blood in left 4 dead for exclusive guns thats how serious they are about games. Gaijin tried to implement them but took them out. Its never gonna happen.

[Chaoslink]

Don’t get me wrong, I’d love it too. Combining the damage models and combat of War Thunder with an infantry element would be great. But it’d have to be its own game.