MIG-23ML problem

[The TAM-2C Guy.]

Not only is this thing spammed till new dawn but its missiles are FOX-3 material.. SARH+IOG at 11.7 fighting 11.0 all day long. This thing needs to be moved up to 12.0 or 12.3.

[French Cat]

Be careful, for a tide of people saying "The MiG-23ML sucks!!!" is coming

[Kay]

They're really not that good and the flight model for the MiG-23 sucks now so it's the only thing they really have going for them

[GoodPoland]

Dont leak military documents PLS

[karal the crazy]

oh my gosh yes this thing is the bane of my existence. it is fast enough to run from any fight. it has all aspect ir missiles and half the time the r-24r just doesn't even multi path.

[Smokey]

is this a joke

[APhone]

I always wonder why US planes with 4 same missiles and overall better performance in everything with 1000000 bullets never bother you. There is a 11.3 Viggen that perform better with better missiles, gun and radar. Why?

[Venom]

Originally posted by The TAM-2C Guy.:

Not only is this thing spammed till new dawn but its missiles are FOX-3 material.. SARH+IOG at 11.7 fighting 11.0 all day long. This thing needs to be moved up to 12.0 or 12.3.

Yes, the Mig 23ML is a good plane, it has two very good missiles, a relatively good radar that can detect even low-flying planes and of course speed thanks to which you can escape from a fight with anyone, use zoom and boom tactics effectively and of course you are guaranteed one base after the game starts. Basically, with an expert crew, it can also turn quite well. But at the same time, the overall flight characteristics of the plane are not the best, the number of charges is low, it has only two radar missiles and it can also carry napalm only on one base. The Mig-23ML can be defended against relatively easily, by flying low where you eliminate its radar missiles and turning quickly. The only thing you can't do against the Mig-23Ml is fly high, its Fox 1 missiles are really good and if you aim at high altitude, your destruction is almost guaranteed.

And even if we wanted to move the Mig-23Ml higher, it is not possible because it would be an unrealistic joke to 12.0-12.3. Now if you encounter the Mig-23ML, for example, as an F/A-18A variant, or even as a full uptier C variant, it is already very bad balance, not to mention moving it higher.

The entire ARB has a big problem with balance. At the moment, the planes are very, very poorly balanced and it requires a very large and proper decompression. At a minimum, the top tier must be moved to at least 15-16.0 BR so that there is enough space for proper balance below, otherwise it is currently impossible to make proper balance, because that is just shifting the problem to someone else, not its real solution. If you move the Mig-23ML higher, Mig-23ML players will suffer against other machines thanks to matchmaking. You didn't solve the problem, you just shifted it to other players, as was the case with, for example, the F-14.

[Venom]

Originally posted by APhone:

I always wonder why US planes with 4 same missiles and overall better performance in everything with 1000000 bullets never bother you. There is a 11.3 Viggen that perform better with better missiles, gun and radar. Why?

You probably mean F-4s of the F-4E type, Kurnass, etc. Yes, they are very good aircraft, some of my favorite. They have 4 missiles as opposed to 2 radar missiles on the Mig-23ML, yes they have more ammunition and better flight characteristics. But they also have a slower speed and especially a much worse radar compared to the Mig-23ML which is able to lock targets even at low altitudes, while the F-4 at 11.3 has a really bad radar where you can hardly lock a low-flying aircraft at all unless you are maybe 0.5 kilometers away from it. In other words, you have two more missiles, but a really much worse radar. Not to mention that some variants have radar-guided Sparrow missiles without DF like the Japanese EJ, which means that they will start to turn around about 2-3 seconds after firing, which is very limiting and reduces the effectiveness of these missiles. Personally, I think that these aircraft variants like the Mig-23ML and the aforementioned F-4 are quite balanced aircraft, each one just has its advantage in a slightly different direction, so it depends on how the player uses them and what suits him more, whether speed with better radar but with fewer missiles, or better maneuverability with a larger number of missiles.

[Dredgno]

Skill issue