[UPDATED] Planned Battle Rating changes for April 2024

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Hey everyone, today we’re showing you the Battle Rating change proposals for the month of April!

There’s several Battle Rating changes for aircraft, ground vehicles and naval vessels.

The changes: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vRdz2C08_QRD7PKxRyWWk0p722lzZsIQAwH05Ma5ACRgluyS_hMpdv0D4FWNOFFU8gkdGJEtc8fWEaA/pubhtml

Let us know your thoughts

We’re going to be reading your feedback on these changes, so please feel free to share your thoughts and any other suggestions that you may have.

The War Thunder Team

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Автор сообщения: julioalberto1324

I knew the upgraded mobility on m18's would come at a cost.
plus, the super hellcat didnt get any upgrad and still got its BR raised.
and BMP1 with its gound hitting atgm goes to 8.0.

And 7.0 ~ 7.7 planes, be ready to suffer some more

Hi, the BR increases for the M18s is not solely due to the engine power increase for them, as these vehicles were already strong before this change.

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Автор сообщения: Toblm

7.7 seems a little big of a jump for the GRB Fox. But I understand it is where it would be played even if it was placed at 7.3 due to the location of the lineup at 7.7.

The Fox has been very efficient and a BR of 7.7 plus a rank increase is suitable for it at the moment. We'll of course monitor this change to ensure that it remains in a good, balanced spot.

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Автор сообщения: Mephisto

lol, Hipper & Prinz Eugen went up to 6.0 recently and go back down instantly ...
RENOWN remains at 7.0?

Hey there! HMS Renown at 7.0 — do you think that's too high or low BR for it, and why?

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Автор сообщения: TheGiantPotato

Автор сообщения: beast master42

number one problem with the game is the Russian bias which is making 4.7 so unbalanced that you have no hope of even playing a match go against the Russian tanks. they just hold w crossing the map whipping everyone out. its so beyond fair that its truely killing my want to ever play this game. the Russian armor magically bounces far to many good kill shots for it to be a true skill issue. i see very unfair Russian bias in tank armor. you want to fix something start with that.

See the worst part about all this is that they don't even have a good win rate.
They get amazingly good vehicles with ridiculous armour and guns pretty much throughout the tech tree but they have mediocre win rates throughout the tech tree too.

This makes it awful to fight against them (because after all a 200mm+ pen shell not going through an IS-1's turret hitting a spot angled at maybe 30 degrees at most is just plain stupid), yet apparently they underutilize their tanks so much that they don't even get a decent win rate out of it.

And some tanks are just plain unbalanceable, like the KV-1, because it has practically the same armour everywhere any given vehicle can either deal with it, or cannot, almost irrelevant of the situation.
And even with that armour something is very wrong, because the amount of times I've shot a KV-1 pretty much flat in the side with something like the Mk. 8 shell from the Concept 3 (~150mm pen solid shot) from close range yet I didn't pen is way too high.
Of course when I then check that exact shot in the armour inspector, it tells me it would easily pen and disable the turret crew. But that's not how it goes in the actual battle.

I think the problem is that they probably mainly look at win rates when balancing vehicles, completely ignoring that maybe the average skill level of the people playing the vehicles is different so their performance can't be compared directly.
That's how the Car 25T got to 8.0, generally very skilled players play it so it could even be moved up to something like 9.0 and still perform very well, because why would anyone except really good players play it at that point?

A good player can make a Puma (the soon to be 3.7 LT) work at whatever battle rating too (for example, I accidentally took it into a 9.0 battle a while ago and ended up on top of the scoreboard and we won too), but because it's at a BR where less skilled players feel like they can make it work too, its performance averages out to still good but not broken.

Meanwhile the EBR 1951 which is somewhat similar is at 5.3, and it's definitely a better vehicle (mainly in mobility) so it should be higher than the Puma but 2.0 seems like a very large gap, but from what I heard generally the people who play France are decently skilled, which isn't surprising considering their lower tier tanks probably scare away the less skilled players (and I can't blame them) so that's probably why the gap is so large.

This.

Honestly the Char 25T at 8.0 is just absurd. This shouldn't really be debatable when you take two seconds to look what else is at 8.0.

The EBR 1951 at 5.3 when 234 at 3.3-now 3.7 is nearly identical (EBR=more filler, 234=more pen)

Minors, like France, are often the third line for players with thousands of games under their belt.
Honestly, I think gajin relies on their win/kill metrics way to heavy... particularly for minors.

Or they just really hate France lol

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Автор сообщения: Spades

Автор сообщения: TheGiantPotato

See the worst part about all this is that they don't even have a good win rate.
They get amazingly good vehicles with ridiculous armour and guns pretty much throughout the tech tree but they have mediocre win rates throughout the tech tree too.

This makes it awful to fight against them (because after all a 200mm+ pen shell not going through an IS-1's turret hitting a spot angled at maybe 30 degrees at most is just plain stupid), yet apparently they underutilize their tanks so much that they don't even get a decent win rate out of it.

And some tanks are just plain unbalanceable, like the KV-1, because it has practically the same armour everywhere any given vehicle can either deal with it, or cannot, almost irrelevant of the situation.
And even with that armour something is very wrong, because the amount of times I've shot a KV-1 pretty much flat in the side with something like the Mk. 8 shell from the Concept 3 (~150mm pen solid shot) from close range yet I didn't pen is way too high.
Of course when I then check that exact shot in the armour inspector, it tells me it would easily pen and disable the turret crew. But that's not how it goes in the actual battle.

I think the problem is that they probably mainly look at win rates when balancing vehicles, completely ignoring that maybe the average skill level of the people playing the vehicles is different so their performance can't be compared directly.
That's how the Car 25T got to 8.0, generally very skilled players play it so it could even be moved up to something like 9.0 and still perform very well, because why would anyone except really good players play it at that point?

A good player can make a Puma (the soon to be 3.7 LT) work at whatever battle rating too (for example, I accidentally took it into a 9.0 battle a while ago and ended up on top of the scoreboard and we won too), but because it's at a BR where less skilled players feel like they can make it work too, its performance averages out to still good but not broken.

Meanwhile the EBR 1951 which is somewhat similar is at 5.3, and it's definitely a better vehicle (mainly in mobility) so it should be higher than the Puma but 2.0 seems like a very large gap, but from what I heard generally the people who play France are decently skilled, which isn't surprising considering their lower tier tanks probably scare away the less skilled players (and I can't blame them) so that's probably why the gap is so large.

This.

Honestly the Char 25T at 8.0 is just absurd. This shouldn't really be debatable when you take two seconds to look what else is at 8.0.

The EBR 1951 at 5.3 when 234 at 3.3-now 3.7 is nearly identical (EBR=more filler, 234=more pen)

Minors, like France, are often the third line for players with thousands of games under their belt.
Honestly, I think gajin relies on their win/kill metrics way to heavy... particularly for minors.

Or they just really hate France lol

I unironicly beleive, the german tree could have ALL their vehicule get uped a br and still be good

[Blyatman]

Автор сообщения: magazine2

Автор сообщения: julioalberto1324

I knew the upgraded mobility on m18's would come at a cost.
plus, the super hellcat didnt get any upgrad and still got its BR raised.
and BMP1 with its gound hitting atgm goes to 8.0.

And 7.0 ~ 7.7 planes, be ready to suffer some more

Hi, the BR increases for the M18s is not solely due to the engine power increase for them, as these vehicles were already strong before this change.

"They were already strong before this change" buddy all you gotta do to stop an M18 is to shoot a machine gun at it, or hell just sneeze hard enough at it and it'll explode.

[Toblm]

Автор сообщения: Blyatman

Автор сообщения: magazine2

Hi, the BR increases for the M18s is not solely due to the engine power increase for them, as these vehicles were already strong before this change.

"They were already strong before this change" buddy all you gotta do to stop an M18 is to shoot a machine gun at it, or hell just sneeze hard enough at it and it'll explode.

Its a light tank. Thats a common feature and not something one can particularly hold against it.
M18 is still an excellent combination of speed and firepower. If you want protection, dont take a light tank.

[Chaoslord 87]

Adding scout to the ELC bis.
That would keep him useful, while he waits for an opportunity to ambush something without getting murdered instantly since he´s not even .50 cal proof.

[Patryk1g243 *******]

fox going on bigger tier yeaasss

[Mephisto]

Автор сообщения: magazine2

Автор сообщения: Mephisto

lol, Hipper & Prinz Eugen went up to 6.0 recently and go back down instantly ...
RENOWN remains at 7.0?

Hey there! HMS Renown at 7.0 — do you think that's too high or low BR for it, and why?

why? let's see
pro:
- high main gun penetration, but see contra
- fast shooting secondaries, but see contra
- speed
contra:
- really really bad armor
- bad bridge armor
- BIG target
- if citadell is breached it lists massively and sinks very fast
- speed unusable (due to map design and no smoke)
- rangefinder is bad
- main gun turret traverse is slow / sometimes barely able to keep guns on target
- main gun shell dispersion is really bad
- main gun reload is slow
- secondaries have bad fireing angles
- secondaries have bad penetration (if even available as nearly every hit instantly ammo-racks them)
- torpedos are useless

it's better suited at 6.3 - like the colossus - where the german ww1 bc/bb are sitting. Every Rank 6 light or heavy cruiser can just delete this thing between 2 salvos

[KurlyShines]

can u guys fix chinas tech tree for the love of god

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Автор сообщения: Blyatman

Автор сообщения: magazine2

Hi, the BR increases for the M18s is not solely due to the engine power increase for them, as these vehicles were already strong before this change.

"They were already strong before this change" buddy all you gotta do to stop an M18 is to shoot a machine gun at it, or hell just sneeze hard enough at it and it'll explode.

Mate, A bad player like me have 2kd on the m18, i used it at 6.7 anyway and it worked

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Автор сообщения: Blyatman

Автор сообщения: magazine2

Hi, the BR increases for the M18s is not solely due to the engine power increase for them, as these vehicles were already strong before this change.

"They were already strong before this change" buddy all you gotta do to stop an M18 is to shoot a machine gun at it, or hell just sneeze hard enough at it and it'll explode.

The M18 is more than its poor armor, it's an excellent flanker and the gun and ammo is powerful. It can get to all types of positions and take out multiple enemies.

But as I said this BR increase wasn't due to the engine power increase. The M18 was already performing very efficiently before this change.

[Mephisto]

Автор сообщения: magazine2

Автор сообщения: Blyatman

"They were already strong before this change" buddy all you gotta do to stop an M18 is to shoot a machine gun at it, or hell just sneeze hard enough at it and it'll explode.

The M18 is more than its poor armor, it's an excellent flanker and the gun and ammo is powerful. It can get to all types of positions and take out multiple enemies.

But as I said this BR increase wasn't due to the engine power increase. The M18 was already performing very efficiently before this change.

if only there were maps where you still could flank ... most flank areas got locked out