8.0 vs 8.7 vehicles, how is it fair exactly?

[Krazykov]

Just as an example last night I was playing Sweden where I just got to 8.0 and I was running my T54 stock (but even if u have all upgrades doesn't really matter tbh) You basically have nothing, bad reload, bad turret rotation, crappy rounds, slow, no stabiliser cannon is very bouncy, no lazer rangefinder, bad cannon depression, bad reverse etc... Im sure im missing something but anyway I cant think of a single positive unless you fight your own tier vehicles or get downtiered (WHICH IS NEVER). So you 100% of the time fighting 8.7's. Who start to get literally everything, reactive armor, speed, lazer ranger finder, APFSDS darts that pen everything like butter etc... the list is way too long but you get the idea. Even with another Russian vehicle as an example the T55AMD at 8.7 which even gets APS its 1000x better than the useless T54, I don't see how its supposed to be fun to have games where these face eachother.

[LordBUM]

the T54 was originally 7.7 it got moved to 8.0 because it was absolutely wrecking everybody at 7.7 because there weren't many tanks that could pen its janky damage model at the time especially when the thing got downtiered to 6.7. though now that there are loads of tanks that could easily kill it at 7.7 it may be better to move the T54's back to 7.7.

but if it does get moved to 7.7 again they need to remove its APDS rounds since its APCBC rounds will be enough. i still remember how horrible it was facing the darn things in my Tiger 2's back in the day lol.

[Krazykov]

Originally posted by LordBUM:

the T54 was originally 7.7 it got moved to 8.0 because it was absolutely wrecking everybody at 7.7 because there weren't many tanks that could pen its janky damage model at the time especially when the thing got downtiered to 6.7. though now that there are loads of tanks that could easily kill it at 7.7 it may be better to move the T54's back to 7.7.

but if it does get moved to 7.7 again they need to remove its APDS rounds since its APCBC rounds will be enough. i still remember how horrible it was facing the darn things in my Tiger 2's back in the day lol.

Yeah true I did hear how it was pretty OP at 7.7 back in the day, definitely not the case anymore though, well specially in the up-tiers. Can still get kills in it but its bit of a struggle bus lol

[Gamesick]

once you get darts armor is a joke

[Betrayer]

The power gap between 7.7 and 8.7 vehicles is huge. Laser rangefinder,darts,stabilizer.
It is not fair, and doesnt make any sense, hopefully they will fix it, or finally reduce the 1.0 up/downtiers to 0.7

[Krazykov]

yeah exactly

[Mydia Stardream]

T-54 player having issues? Lol. They're some of the most overpowered tanks in the game for their BR, like everything russian.

Try things like an AUBL with 200 pen, or the Type60 with WASD missiles that can get MG'd and talk later.

[Krazykov]

Originally posted by Mydia Stardream:

T-54 player having issues? Lol. They're some of the most overpowered tanks in the game for their BR, like everything russian.

Try things like an AUBL with 200 pen, or the Type60 with WASD missiles that can get MG'd and talk later.

Name 1 single thing that's overpowered about the useless T-54? lol, specially when you facing modernised 8.7 vehicles with laundry list of perks and advantages, which is every time I haven't seen a single down tier in this thing.

The only reason some think they overpowerd is those who never actually played with one, and when they face them they have no clue where to shoot them, when you do its 100% u kill this thing every time. Easiest thing in the world.

[biomike]

Originally posted by Krazykov:

Originally posted by Mydia Stardream:

T-54 player having issues? Lol. They're some of the most overpowered tanks in the game for their BR, like everything russian.

Try things like an AUBL with 200 pen, or the Type60 with WASD missiles that can get MG'd and talk later.

Name 1 single thing that's overpowered about the useless T-54? lol, specially when you facing modernised 8.7 vehicles with laundry list of perks and advantages, which is every time I haven't seen a single down tier in this thing.

The only reason some think they overpowerd is those who never actually played with one, and when they face them they have no clue where to shoot them, when you do its 100% u kill this thing every time. Easiest thing in the world.

Just about everything about it is super strong when it fights 6.7 tanks, like the M26 for example
This is just a case of it being strong in a down tier and bad in an up tier, just a case of knowing how to use it and go on the flanks

[256_Swerve]

BR 7.0 should be the top rank BR for a game called 'War Thunder Vintage' and BRs 7.3 should be the reserve rank at the start of a different game called 'War Thunder Modern'

Somewhere in between BR 7 and 8 is where the core game mechanics begin to struggle with more modern vehicle capabilities

[nirvana_sth]

Look, if you cannot make a vehicle work for you just move to the next vehicle in the tech tree. I skipped T-54/55s myself, and had such a terrible experience with T-62s. Then I got T-64s and T-72s and the game became enjoyable (just an example, my example!).
Some vehicles in this game are just bad, specially when uptiered.

[Mr. Black]

Bad BR no matter what, If you happen to fall vs 6.7 you will obliterate ww2 tanks, but if you fall vs 8.7 you will be obliterated

[Krazykov]

Originally posted by Mr. Black:

Bad BR no matter what, If you happen to fall vs 6.7 you will obliterate ww2 tanks, but if you fall vs 8.7 you will be obliterated

yeah and unfortunately when playing 6.7 you always go vs 7.7's and when playing 7.7 or 8.0 always fighting 8.7's, can never catch a break donno if its to do with my timezone or what but I think I've only had a down-tier like 1 time in 3 years.

[GunDoneCheg]

Hard agree T-55 AM\AMD should be moved to 9.0-9.3 minimum

[{sBc} Bane5]

Meanwhile, there's the Vidar at 8.0 which completely dominates long-range maps in any downtier...

But I think the game could benefit from some powerful modules raising or lowering a BR. A t-54 without some of the more modern ammunition types could easily pass as a 7.3 or 7.7 vehicle. Right now, vehicles only are judged by having everything unlocked.