PZH2000 TOO OP AT 7.7

[Sigma boy]

Autoloader, Laser range finder, more armor and better speed and maneuverability than the paladin at 7.7? Cmon gaijin...

[Canadian Guitar]

It should be the same BR as the Vidar.

[flat_Lander1]

yeah and other laser HE slingers like VIDAR, PLZ305. Who tf decided that early post ww2 tanks without anything should face laser HE slingers with every modern feature

[Sigma boy]

Originally posted by Canadian Guitar:

It should be the same BR as the Vidar.

Exactly this.

[Robob]

I've been seeing so many of those lately

[j.yellow28]

if they give it thermals then put it with Vidar imo.

[Sigma boy]

Originally posted by j.yellow28:

if they give it thermals then put it with Vidar imo.

If they do it should get higher BR than vidar by all means.

[Ceoran]

lolno. don't steal the easy prey from the Fox.

[spartakisteqc]

I would say that even the VIDAR is massively undertiered at 8.0. Heavy artillery with laser rangefinders have no business facing early Cold War tanks and even WWII ones without even a optical rangefinder. The VIDAR should be at least at 8.7 and PzH2000 and other similar vehicles with laser rangefinders without thermals should be at 8.3 minimum. And to be honest, you could put them at 9.0 and 8.7 respectively and they still would work.

The VIDAR and the premium hungarian PzH2000 are of the most extreme pay-to-win vehicles in the game.

[Sigma boy]

Originally posted by spartakisteqc:

I would say that even the VIDAR is massively undertiered at 8.0. Heavy artillery with laser rangefinders have no business facing early Cold War tanks without even a optical rangefinder. The VIDAR should be at least at 8.7 and PzH2000 and other similar vehicles with laser rangefinders without thermals should be at 8.3 minimum. And to be honest, you could put them at 9.0 and 8.7 respectively and they still would work.

It doesn't, you're correct but we get what we get and we can't do much about it unless people get together about the idea and review bomb or write to Gaijin. Since they use player statistics to balance and find BR for vehicles. I sure wonder what the K/D stats of the pzh2000 are.

[spartakisteqc]

Originally posted by Sigma boy:

Originally posted by spartakisteqc:

I would say that even the VIDAR is massively undertiered at 8.0. Heavy artillery with laser rangefinders have no business facing early Cold War tanks without even a optical rangefinder. The VIDAR should be at least at 8.7 and PzH2000 and other similar vehicles with laser rangefinders without thermals should be at 8.3 minimum. And to be honest, you could put them at 9.0 and 8.7 respectively and they still would work.

It doesn't, you're correct but we get what we get and we can't do much about it unless people get together about the idea and review bomb or write to Gaijin. Since they use player statistics to balance and find BR for vehicles. I sure wonder what the K/D stats of the pzh2000 are.

That's a good example of how Gaijin's way to balance the game doesn't work. Noobs will suck whatever vehicle they're in. That's just part of the normal process of learning the game. Vehicles should be balanced around capabilities first and not by statistics biased by player incompetence.

[Chaoslord 87]

Originally posted by spartakisteqc:

That's a good example of how Gaijin's way to balance the game doesn't work. Noobs will suck whatever vehicle they're in. That's just part of the normal process of learning the game. Vehicles should be balanced around capabilities first and not by statistics biased by player incompetence.

And that kind of Balancing hurts the Minor nations more than the Big 3.
Since the Minor nations are usually played by more experienced players which in turn makes the vehicles perform above average according to the "Statistics", they are more prone for being up BR´d.

A Good example is the Char25t now at 8.0 has to compete with the Object 906 and DF105 which are also at 8.0 but better in almost every aspect.
And at 8.3 are already things like the Turm III or PT-76-57.

[PabloCejas]

no

[Omega Sirius]

Paladin is not even in the game yet op.

[LordBUM]

Originally posted by Omega Sirius:

Paladin is not even in the game yet op.

yes it is what do you think the M109 is lol

[Sigma boy]

Originally posted by Omega Sirius:

Paladin is not even in the game yet op.

My dude u been skipping WT. The snail is disappointed and unpleased with you.