Regarding the russian BIAS

[SONNENKVLT]

It seems that it's not only reflected on inflated stats, broken damage models and broken ammo spalling, but it's also related to map design.

Everytime there is Dawn or Dusk setting on the map, the sun is always facing in front of the german team spawn, making harder to spot vehicles while your prestigious tank such as Tiger II or Leopard 2A6 shines like a mushroom harvested out of Chernobyl Nuclear Power Plant.

[Graephen]

Publicado originalmente por DIRTYBOMB:

Publicado originalmente por Graephen:

Okay. Where did I say anything hateful towards Russians? My problem is with the game balance favouring German (fixed recently, Tigers and Panthers are now 6.0) and Russian vehicles - especially toptier.

I also think .50 cals are a little too strong, but that is a problem with the machinegun damage model itself, not with USA. They've just had a doctrine of putting a .50 cal on everything.

I play Russia and you know what? Every vehicle is around 50% win rate and some are low 40%. You people make it seem like 90% win rate bias and you're full of it. Every vehicle gets around 50% win rate. Issue is your blatant hate for Russians.

That's just you - my Russian vehicles have some of my bests stats and I barely have to try. I'm afk half of the match. People have complained about Russian bias WAY before Russia even invaded Ukraine and people started blaming each other for Ukrainophobia and Russophobia. Nothing to do with this opinion - they are biased just like Wargaming is, because their domestic playerbase can't handle losing and because there's strong patriotism and nationalism in Russia, resulting in inflated sense of their domestic military being the strongest. This influences people's expectations and they would cry harder than the biggest wehraboo, should someone roflpen their T-34 just like it would happen in real life.

Publicado originalmente por серый.рф (no sound) =):

bruh swedish tree is the most cancerous thing in the game after CAS and people still talking about russian bias
Imagine

Name 10 overpowered vehicles in the Swedish tree.

[flat_Lander1]

Publicado originalmente por Kogoro:

Publicado originalmente por flat_Lander1:

whole swedish tree is full of broken BS vehicles but noone says anything
just saying

Didn't the USH get a lot of hate when that came out? So I think people do complain about the outliers, can't remember but didn't it get a BR bump?

wow people complained about 1 vehicle from the whole tech tree but people complain about every soviet vehicle and even maps and ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ SUN thinking its all russian bias

[Graephen]

Publicado originalmente por flat_Lander1:

Publicado originalmente por Kogoro:

Didn't the USH get a lot of hate when that came out? So I think people do complain about the outliers, can't remember but didn't it get a BR bump?

wow people complained about 1 vehicle from the whole tech tree but people complain about every soviet vehicle and even maps and ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ SUN thinking its all russian bias

Because it is, except the sun lol.
Easily provable. I gave you a whole list of vehicles and you ignored it completely. Keep bootlicking.

[flat_Lander1]

Publicado originalmente por Graephen:

Publicado originalmente por DIRTYBOMB:

I play Russia and you know what? Every vehicle is around 50% win rate and some are low 40%. You people make it seem like 90% win rate bias and you're full of it. Every vehicle gets around 50% win rate. Issue is your blatant hate for Russians.

That's just you - my Russian vehicles have some of my bests stats and I barely have to try. I'm afk half of the match. People have complained about Russian bias WAY before Russia even invaded Ukraine and people started blaming each other for Ukrainophobia and Russophobia. Nothing to do with this opinion - they are biased just like Wargaming is, because their domestic playerbase can't handle losing and because there's strong patriotism and nationalism in Russia, resulting in inflated sense of their domestic military being the strongest. This influences people's expectations and they would cry harder than the biggest wehraboo, should someone roflpen their T-34 just like it would happen in real life.

Publicado originalmente por серый.рф (no sound) =):

bruh swedish tree is the most cancerous thing in the game after CAS and people still talking about russian bias
Imagine

Name 10 overpowered vehicles in the Swedish tree.

all strv 103 variants, SAV, Ikv-103, Ikvs, Bkan, ANTI, STRV 122s, CVs, VIDAR, Itpsv, Strfs, USH, hell they even got one of the best russian and german vehicles in finnish tree like ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ 2a6, t72, t34, t55, pzIV, t80

[flat_Lander1]

Publicado originalmente por Graephen:

Publicado originalmente por flat_Lander1:

wow people complained about 1 vehicle from the whole tech tree but people complain about every soviet vehicle and even maps and ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ SUN thinking its all russian bias

Because it is, except the sun lol.
Easily provable. I gave you a whole list of vehicles and you ignored it completely. Keep bootlicking.

and you ignored half of my message
the only one that is undertiered in your message is su-122 and all of the others are not a problem and easy to deal with if you don't have german main brain
also easily provable (here some reddit thread from 5 years ago)

[flat_Lander1]

Publicado originalmente por Cha Cha Real Rough:

Publicado originalmente por flat_Lander1:

whole swedish tree is full of broken BS vehicles but noone says anything
just saying
or chinese ZTZs that has same damage models of T-series tanks and they are even better in most aspects than T-series tanks

Idk people throw out the word bias so often it means nothing at this point. Every nation has its good stuff and their trash stuff. I just cant get over that people legit say that ♥♥♥♥ like terrain and TIME OF DAY is biased ♥♥♥♥♥. It literally is just a running joke at this point. I dont understand how much you have to spite a game to think that the time of day is working against you to better the enemy team intentionally lmao. Just ignore it all.

i don't even know how deranged you have to be to think that SUN placement is favouring one nation over the other, same with maps, someone made a thread not so long ago thinking that all maps in the game favour -5 gun depression (spoiler its the opposite in 85% of the times)

[Cha Cha Real Rough]

Most sane warthunder thread

[Graephen]

Publicado originalmente por flat_Lander1:

Publicado originalmente por Graephen:

That's just you - my Russian vehicles have some of my bests stats and I barely have to try. I'm afk half of the match. People have complained about Russian bias WAY before Russia even invaded Ukraine and people started blaming each other for Ukrainophobia and Russophobia. Nothing to do with this opinion - they are biased just like Wargaming is, because their domestic playerbase can't handle losing and because there's strong patriotism and nationalism in Russia, resulting in inflated sense of their domestic military being the strongest. This influences people's expectations and they would cry harder than the biggest wehraboo, should someone roflpen their T-34 just like it would happen in real life.


Name 10 overpowered vehicles in the Swedish tree.

all strv 103 variants, SAV, Ikv-103, Ikvs, Bkan, ANTI, STRV 122s, CVs, VIDAR, Itpsv, Strfs, USH, hell they even got one of the best russian and german vehicles in finnish tree like ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ 2a6, t72, t34, t55, pzIV, t80

IKV-103 Overpowered? Strv 103? ANTI?
A ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ Panzer IV being overpowered, are you on shrooms? I just killed one Italian Panzer IV G in the 1.7 German premium armored car. What are you talking about?

Here's why your opinion is irrelevant. You play one nation - USSR. USSR is a nation, whose tanks can take a lot of beating - partly because they're well-armored and partly because they're undertiered, hence the stalinium memes. You can't imagine the tanks being any weaker, because you think you'd do worse and you would, because you're used to them being OP. Hence you're also biased.

[flat_Lander1]

Publicado originalmente por Graephen:

Publicado originalmente por flat_Lander1:

all strv 103 variants, SAV, Ikv-103, Ikvs, Bkan, ANTI, STRV 122s, CVs, VIDAR, Itpsv, Strfs, USH, hell they even got one of the best russian and german vehicles in finnish tree like ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ 2a6, t72, t34, t55, pzIV, t80

IKV-103 Overpowered? Strv 103? ANTI?
A ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ Panzer IV being overpowered, are you on shrooms? I just killed one Italian Panzer IV G in the 1.7 German premium armored car. What are you talking about?

Yeah sure buddy ikv-103 400mm heat-fs on 4.0 :) Unpennable Strv-103 at its BR :) Anti destroying whole enemy team at its BR :) also i've said they;ve got one of the best vehicles from soviet and german tech trees not that PZIV is OP l2r
also by your logic if i can kill 11.7 tank in any low tier vehicle like any HE slinger so that makes 11.7 vehicle bad? I've killed lots of 10.0-11.7 vehicles in Bkan so what? That makes them bad?
and i don't play one nation lmao

[Graephen]

Publicado originalmente por flat_Lander1:

Publicado originalmente por Graephen:

IKV-103 Overpowered? Strv 103? ANTI?
A ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ Panzer IV being overpowered, are you on shrooms? I just killed one Italian Panzer IV G in the 1.7 German premium armored car. What are you talking about?

Yeah sure buddy ikv-103 400mm heat-fs on 4.0 :) Unpennable Strv-103 at its BR :) Anti destroying whole enemy team at its BR :) also i've said they;ve got one of the best vehicles from soviet and german tech trees not that PZIV is OP l2r

400mm HEAT-FS flying like a potato. Are you saying Brummbar, Ho-Ro, or Sturmpanzer II are OP then? Because that's the same thing, except it's heat, not HEAT-FS. But same kind of potato ammunition. Actually - Brummbar is better, because it doesen't die to .50 cal.

Strv-103 is far from unpennable, it's extremely vulnerable to ... HEAT-FS. Boom. I rarely even see it.

I've never seen any SPAA, save for ZSU-57-II doing that. Not even when R3 was 4.7. ANTI can go higher for all I care, but It's far from OP.

As I've said. You're biased - end of story. Next you'll be claiming Japan is OP, because they can pen.

[flat_Lander1]

Publicado originalmente por Graephen:

Publicado originalmente por flat_Lander1:

Yeah sure buddy ikv-103 400mm heat-fs on 4.0 :) Unpennable Strv-103 at its BR :) Anti destroying whole enemy team at its BR :) also i've said they;ve got one of the best vehicles from soviet and german tech trees not that PZIV is OP l2r

400mm HEAT-FS flying like a potato. Are you saying Brummbar, Ho-Ro, or Sturmpanzer II are OP then? Because that's the same thing, except it's heat, not HEAT-FS. But same kind of potato ammunition. Actually - Brummbar is better, because it doesen't die to .50 cal.

Strv-103 is far from unpennable, it's extremely vulnerable to ... HEAT-FS. Boom. I rarely even see it.

I've never seen any SPAA, save for ZSU-57-II doing that. Not even when R3 was 4.7. ANTI can go higher for all I care, but It's far from OP.

As I've said. You're biased - end of story. Next you'll be claiming Japan is OP, because they can pen.

sure buddy go pen strv 103 using BR-471 or T34(american round) or dm13, most tanks that face strv 103 does not have heat-fs or round that can pen it
Heat-fs does not fly like a potato what are you talking about its not even comparable to ho-ro, sig, brummbar or sturmpanzer
also about japan 10.0-11.7 4.0 second reload with high pen :^)

[Graephen]

Publicado originalmente por flat_Lander1:

Publicado originalmente por Graephen:

400mm HEAT-FS flying like a potato. Are you saying Brummbar, Ho-Ro, or Sturmpanzer II are OP then? Because that's the same thing, except it's heat, not HEAT-FS. But same kind of potato ammunition. Actually - Brummbar is better, because it doesen't die to .50 cal.

Strv-103 is far from unpennable, it's extremely vulnerable to ... HEAT-FS. Boom. I rarely even see it.

I've never seen any SPAA, save for ZSU-57-II doing that. Not even when R3 was 4.7. ANTI can go higher for all I care, but It's far from OP.

As I've said. You're biased - end of story. Next you'll be claiming Japan is OP, because they can pen.

sure buddy go pen strv 103 using BR-471 or T34(american round) or dm13, most tanks that face strv 103 does not have heat-fs or round that can pen it
Heat-fs does not fly like a potato what are you talking about its not even comparable to ho-ro, sig, brummbar or sturmpanzer
also about japan 10.0-11.7 4.0 second reload with high pen :^)

T34 doesen't face the Strv-103, because it's 8.0. If you're deliberately spawning a T34 higher than it should be, then there's your answer. Please actually learn what BR a vehicle is before calling it overpowered.

It's more common, that people don't load HEAT-FS, because they're hell-bent on using APDS, APDFDS and APHE, which is their fault really. HESH works too. I wouldn't try shooting a milktruck with APCR, unless it was a clutch moment.

Also - you haven't played the Ikv 103, I will not believe you for a second if you say that you have, because it's one of the slowest HEAT-FS shell in the game. 530 m/s, which is exactly the speed of a KV-2's HE shell, except this thing is 0,3 BR higher, it's a casemate and can be killed by a .50 cal. It's pen is the only thing it has.

The fact you're calling Japanese tanks at higher BRs OP, when people struggle to fight USSR since 1.7 until the end of the game confirms how much you know about the game.

[flat_Lander1]

Publicado originalmente por Graephen:

Publicado originalmente por flat_Lander1:

sure buddy go pen strv 103 using BR-471 or T34(american round) or dm13, most tanks that face strv 103 does not have heat-fs or round that can pen it
Heat-fs does not fly like a potato what are you talking about its not even comparable to ho-ro, sig, brummbar or sturmpanzer
also about japan 10.0-11.7 4.0 second reload with high pen :^)

T34 doesen't face the Strv-103, because it's 8.0. If you're deliberately spawning a T34 higher than it should be, then there's your answer. Please actually learn what BR a vehicle is before calling it overpowered.

It's more common, that people don't load HEAT-FS, because they're hell-bent on using APDS, APDFDS and APHE, which is their fault really. HESH works too. I wouldn't try shooting a milktruck with APCR, unless it was a clutch moment.

Also - you haven't played the Ikv 103, I will not believe you for a second if you say that you have, because it's one of the slowest HEAT-FS shell in the game. 530 m/s, which is exactly the speed of a KV-2's HE shell, except this thing is 0,3 BR higher, it's a casemate and can be killed by a .50 cal. It's pen is the only thing it has.

The fact you're calling Japanese tanks at higher BRs OP, when people struggle to fight USSR since 1.7 until the end of the game confirms how much you know about the game.

There is something called uptier in the game and 99% of people face it 95% of the time so any 7.0, 7.3, 7.7 faces strv 103 with no ability to pen it from the front even still most vehicles from its BR have hard time penning it BR-412\B\D, BR-471\B\D, BR-372, DM13, M392A2, Type59 and so on, most APDS get stopped by transmission or fuel tank with no further damage so you need to play something above strv103s BR to actually pen it
i have ikv103 unlocked and its still 400mm HEAT-FS at 4.0 ♥♥♥♥ off, sturmtiger has velocity of 250ms, sig is 240, brummbar is 240, ho-ro is 290, Spj fm/43-44 is 285 so ikv's is not even close to that numbers and heat-fs is not comparable to HE because you actually need to know exactly where to aim with HE and its unreliable but you don't need that using heat-fs at 4.0
and if you are saying that having fastest reload at 10.0-11.7 is not powerful you must be some of special kind

[30 лет :D]

Publicado originalmente por Graephen:

Publicado originalmente por flat_Lander1:

sure buddy go pen strv 103 using BR-471 or T34(american round) or dm13, most tanks that face strv 103 does not have heat-fs or round that can pen it
Heat-fs does not fly like a potato what are you talking about its not even comparable to ho-ro, sig, brummbar or sturmpanzer
also about japan 10.0-11.7 4.0 second reload with high pen :^)

T34 doesen't face the Strv-103, because it's 8.0. If you're deliberately spawning a T34 higher than it should be, then there's your answer. Please actually learn what BR a vehicle is before calling it overpowered.

It's more common, that people don't load HEAT-FS, because they're hell-bent on using APDS, APDFDS and APHE, which is their fault really. HESH works too. I wouldn't try shooting a milktruck with APCR, unless it was a clutch moment.

Also - you haven't played the Ikv 103, I will not believe you for a second if you say that you have, because it's one of the slowest HEAT-FS shell in the game. 530 m/s, which is exactly the speed of a KV-2's HE shell, except this thing is 0,3 BR higher, it's a casemate and can be killed by a .50 cal. It's pen is the only thing it has.

The fact you're calling Japanese tanks at higher BRs OP, when people struggle to fight USSR since 1.7 until the end of the game confirms how much you know about the game.

Who is struggling on japanese tanks? They have ok tanks below 2.0 and turbo strong tanks starting from 4.7 if you don't own chi-nu 2
And type 10 is the strongest tank in the game lmao

[30 лет :D]

At 10.0+ everything becomes a 1 shot target and japanese with their 4.0 seconds autoloader which is suppose to be even faster irl is the most broken thing you can imagine