SAV 20.12.48 broke rank III

[Thunder]

So I'm playing with my friend who still at BR4.0 and it's full of these tanks. I've found more than 10 in a single match and they're incredibly unballanced. If Gaijin is expecting to new players to stay, this is literally a game killer. You can't leave the spawn without getting sniped by 20 SAVs hidding on a hill. This tank should be at least BR5.7 or so, they're too OP

[Jdnsheix]

Originally posted by Lucky_Star_Fan:

Originally posted by Mirage:

It has no business at 3.7 either, it's one of the most obscenely overpowered vehicles in the game at that BR.
It sits at a 75% winrate and a k/d of 4.

According to who? Did it come to you in a dream? LOL

Thunderskill, in GRB matches it has 77% win rate and about a 4 kd/r

[TheGiantPotato]

Originally posted by Mirage:

More people playing the SAV than the EBR..

I'd be playing that EBR 1963 if I could get it for a reasonable price, but I'm not going to pay €120 for it, I definitely want it but I don't want it badly enough to spend that much on it.

I do have the SAV because that's sometimes available to purchase for a sane price, sometimes I play it, but because I don't have the EBR 1963 I never play that thing.

That's probably why more people play the SAV than the EBR 1963, there's a reasonable way of acquiring it every once in a while while the EBR 1963 requires that you spend a fairly unreasonable amount of money in order to get it.

And as a sidenote, the EBR 1954 I couldn't get at all no matter what I'd be willing to pay for it, I could've sworn it was available in the Christmas lootboxes (which would've been €200 on average per rank IV vehicle received times however many rank IV tanks are available in them, obviously you get a lot more out of them but that's to show what kind of money you'd have to spend to have a good chance of getting that specific tank) but I can't find it in the drop list when I check in-game.
Would like it if they'd make vehicles like it attainable in a somewhat reasonable way if you missed out on the original event they're from, maybe even as a researchable vehicle for like 10x the RP of a regular vehicle at their BR.

[Chaoslink]

Originally posted by LordBUM:

also the SAV isn't OP at all it has less pen then most tanks at 4.0 it has no armor and its a case-mate TD the only thing it really has going for it is a really good auto-loader but that's really it.

Pen doesn't matter if you're on a flank, but reload speed does.

No armor is best armor.

Case mates are only bad if they get mobility killed or don't have good mobility to begin with. Its not a slow machine, so it has mobility that helps them avoid losing their mobility.

I've watched one of these get to a flank position early then proceed to wipe out 4 players as fast as they could reload. Seen things like that plenty of times. It has everything it needs to devastate the battlefield and in the right hands, it often does.

It has no right being at its current BR. Problem is, it doesn't necessarily belong higher either. So if it doesn't belong where it is and doesn't belong anywhere else, then it just doesn't belong in the game.

[KeylorKun]

It should be 4.7... Doesn't matter what people said LOL

[Lucky_Star_Fan]

Originally posted by עָשׁ דֶרֶן:

Originally posted by Lucky_Star_Fan:

According to who? Did it come to you in a dream? LOL

Thunderskill, in GRB matches it has 77% win rate and about a 4 kd/r

Thunderskill is a self-report from above average players. Not a legitimate source.

[Chaoslink]

Originally posted by Lucky_Star_Fan:

Originally posted by עָשׁ דֶרֶן:

Thunderskill, in GRB matches it has 77% win rate and about a 4 kd/r

Thunderskill is a self-report from above average players. Not a legitimate source.

Doesn’t mean you can’t learn something from it. Might not be the most accurate source of information, but it can still show how some vehicles compare to others in good hands.

That thing isn’t balanced. An autoloader like that has no business at that tier.

[Desperadoscres]

Originally posted by Thunder:

So I'm playing with my friend who still at BR4.0 and it's full of these tanks. I've found more than 10 in a single match and they're incredibly unballanced. If Gaijin is expecting to new players to stay, this is literally a game killer. You can't leave the spawn without getting sniped by 20 SAVs hidding on a hill. This tank should be at least BR5.7 or so, they're too OP

Imo it should only have been in the pack but it's not that bad

[Chaoslord 87]

Originally posted by Chaoslink:

That thing isn’t balanced. An autoloader like that has no business at that tier.

Many vehicles have no buisness at their current BR´s due to Gaijins overreliance on Playerstats and Winrates without taking their respective Playerbase in both experience and numbers into account (mostly minor nations).

[JuX]

Saw the OddBawZ video on the vehicle and it's a 3.7 that's annihilating 5.7's. Talk about pay-to-win.

This tank is basically a world war 2 version of the old HSTV-L we had in the game. But since this thing is a premium i don't expect it to receive anykind of negative treatment like how the old HSTV-L did. Not to mention the 2S38 (10) that is at least on par with HSTV-L (11.3) and nothing been done about it.

Cause for long as bots can't utilize it. Premium protects!

[Chaoslord 87]

Originally posted by JuX:

Saw the OddBawZ video on the vehicle and it's a 3.7 that's annihilating 5.7's. Talk about pay-to-win.

This tank is basically a world war 2 version of the old HSTV-L we had in the game. But since this thing is a premium i don't expect it to receive anykind of negative treatment like how the old HSTV-L did. Not to mention the 2S38 (10) that is at least on par with HSTV-L (11.3) and nothing been done about it.

Cause for long as bots can't utilize it. Premium protects!

Thing with OddBawZ is, that he has far more experience than your average Warthunder player.

BT-5/7, M22 etc. can also punch far above their current BR placement, when played by vets.
Yet their BR weren´t raised further either.

[Youkneed Swag]

That entire BR range is just SAV spam. Like every BR, its all premiums.

[JuX]

Originally posted by Chaoslord 87:

Originally posted by JuX:

Saw the OddBawZ video on the vehicle and it's a 3.7 that's annihilating 5.7's. Talk about pay-to-win.

This tank is basically a world war 2 version of the old HSTV-L we had in the game. But since this thing is a premium i don't expect it to receive anykind of negative treatment like how the old HSTV-L did. Not to mention the 2S38 (10) that is at least on par with HSTV-L (11.3) and nothing been done about it.

Cause for long as bots can't utilize it. Premium protects!

Thing with OddBawZ is, that he has far more experience than your average Warthunder player.

BT-5/7, M22 etc. can also punch far above their current BR placement, when played by vets.
Yet their BR weren´t raised further either.

While for some vehicles it's a valid argument. But what i saw on the video didn't require much skill at all.

Not only does it have 120mm APCBC with almost 1kg of explosives, but 1.2 second reload to go along with it. So that is incredibly deadly combination that is also forgiving to rookies.

You can camp in good positions or if you manage to breakthrough, then you can wipe whole lot of enemies in one swoop and even on the video, when that happens they don't have time to react at all.

[Dave the Spooder]

Originally posted by mrunuick:

I don't think it's OP, but it's definitely very strong for its BR as long as it goes unnoticed...or is in sufficiently large numbers like it would be right now during a limited time sale (for GE, no less!).

Have you ever seen a Kill feed where all of the kills are SAV's ? like 6 kill in a row side by side on the kill feed are SAV's, have you seen that friend?

Here i thought only 5000lb of bomb could do that, i was very wrong

[Dave the Spooder]

Originally posted by ErickaUnlimited:

Originally posted by Thunder:

This tank should be at least BR5.7 or so, they're too OP

It has no business being at 5.7.

It has no business on Low BR either, bet you gotta be one of the users, of course the user would defend it at all means.

Balanced it to 4.7 or 5.0 or something, 1.2s reload excluding crews upgrade are insanity, there is a lot of light tank and medium tank suffers from it on low BR. I Had no problem if it has 5 - 7s reload, but 1.2? it's a low BR Band Kanon, even faster than BKC itself.

[ErickaUnlimited]

Originally posted by Velcudez:

Originally posted by ErickaUnlimited:

It has no business being at 5.7.

It has no business on Low BR either, bet you gotta be one of the users, of course the user would defend it at all means.

I love this mindset.

The SAV for me is my #347th most played vehicle with a paltry 45 games played. So, yes, I have played it. Do I use to regularly? Obviously not.

All I said is it is not a 5.7 tank. Did I say it belongs as is or can't go higher? No.

Why people insist on lashing out so quickly on these forums because of differing opinions is so confusing.